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Originally posted by Seekerof
Been "shamed"?!
What you been smoking, DeusEx?
I'm sorry, what are the troop numbers? Little Canada, with a nine billion dollar military budget and one fifth your population is doing more for Darfur than your entire damn country, so take your Amerika uber alles attitude and shove it.
Hey buddy, that "52,000" men been able to halt the genocide that is still currently taking place in Sudan? What....Canada going to send another 100 so they can sit back and watch, too?
It'll still be two hundred more than your nation is willing to send. And those fity-two thousand men represent ALL of Canada's standing national defence force, in all branches. Way to check the link, Seeker.
Your making excuses for the United Nations inactions and failings in Sudan. For every word wasted by the UN discussing options in Sudan, another 5,000+ die while another 25,000+ are displaced and become refugees.
You're not even bothering to make excuses, you're just displacing the blame. How many of those nations in the UN can actually FEED themselves, much less field a standing army or afford to send a peacekeeping force abroad? Because, ya know, I hear that Uzebekistan is really craving to be the new premiere peacekeeper in the world. Canada's gotta watch out for Holland, too. Did you also miss the fact that the AU didn't pitch, and a fair amount of those antions are in the UN, too?
Nice.
Remember: the cup is half-full, not half-empty, correct?
There are how many members in the UN?
Why is it that when something needs to be done, the US gets the finger pointed at them, but then when the US does get something done, then the US is the fault, breaking "international" laws, etc.?
So, let me get this straight- more than five thousand people die every day in Sudan, and twenty-five thousand more are displaced. Yet, the US chooses to invade Iraq, based on faulty intelligence. That's not 'getting something done', that's criminal negligence at best.
Tell you what, keep the US out of this, since of course, we are the nation contributing the greatest amount of money towards reconstruction and humanitarian efforts in Sudan. US needs to do nothing more. Its time that the other UN members learn to act instead of relying on the US to bail them out, k?
Tout yourselves as the greatest nation on earth, claim you spread democracy and you stand for liberty and all that BS the right always spouts. You know what? It's just another lie. The money is 'promised', not contributed.
You have no troops in the Sudan.
You have no aid heading for the Sudan, and if it is, it's not getting to the people who need it.
Instead, America captures a tin-pot dictator and creates more chaos in the country it was trying to save.
You're right, the US has no bussiness in this discussion. This is a disccusion about helping people, and the US simply has no desire to do that.
DE
Among personnel to be sent will be intelligence officers, and a geomatics section to help produce maps and provide logistical support.
Two small groups of Canadian Forces members will take part in the mission, although it won't involve combat troops.
"Our new assistance will support (African Union) peackeeping operations in Darfur in a number of ways," Martin said.
He said it includes transport helicopters, strategic airlift capability and - initially - up to 100 Canadian Forces military experts to provide technical and strategic support for the African Union.
About 40 of the personnel will participate in the UN mission in southern Sudan.
The rest will deploy within three months to support the AU mission, said defence department spokesman, Lieutenant-Navy Desmond James.
Canada sending more Darfur aid
Originally posted by Duzey
[ou know I can't disagree with any of this; I'm just very cynical when it comes to politics. I know this didn't just come out of the blue. But you do have to admire the timing of the announcement. More Americans should follow Canadian politics; it's absolutely fascinating to watch the maneuvering that goes on up here. I would enjoy it more if these idiots weren't in charge of running the country, though.
I'm pleased we are sending the help to Darfur...,
...Sending troops where we think they can actually do a bit of good. More peacekeeping. And you know how fond I am of Lester B. Pearson, AL.
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And yes, Dallaire's book is on my reading list
Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
But I do know that I am election weary right now and this brouhaha is making me nuts.
But Sudanese ambassador Faiza Hassan Taha said Friday that Ottawa didn't consult or negotiate with Sudan on the planned deployment of Canadians before Martin made an announcement and that the troops will not be allowed into the country.
PMO spokeswoman Melanie Gruer told The Globe and Mail that Martin phoned Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir about 24 hours in advance of the announcement.
When asked whether the conversation was a "consultation," Gruer repeated that "the Sudanese were advised."
Taha said that while Sudan welcomes Canadian concern, it objects to non-African peacekeeping troops in Darfur.
www.ctv.ca
I'm sorry, what are the troop numbers? Little Canada, with a nine billion dollar military budget and one fifth your population is doing more for Darfur than your entire damn country, so take your Amerika uber alles attitude and shove it.
It'll still be two hundred more than your nation is willing to send. And those fity-two thousand men represent ALL of Canada's standing national defence force, in all branches. Way to check the link, Seeker.
So, let me get this straight- more than five thousand people die every day in Sudan, and twenty-five thousand more are displaced. Yet, the US chooses to invade Iraq, based on faulty intelligence. That's not 'getting something done', that's criminal negligence at best.
Tout yourselves as the greatest nation on earth, claim you spread democracy and you stand for liberty and all that BS the right always spouts. You know what? It's just another lie. The money is 'promised', not contributed.
You have no troops in the Sudan.
You have no aid heading for the Sudan, and if it is, it's not getting to the people who need it.
Instead, America captures a tin-pot dictator and creates more chaos in the country it was trying to save.
You're right, the US has no bussiness in this discussion. This is a disccusion about helping people, and the US simply has no desire to do that.
Originally posted by Dallas
Perhap's when PM Martin is done doing that and has not already been called into a new Election he can do something towards the poverty strichen people in Canada !!
Dallas
Originally posted by Seekerof
Erm, DeusEx, maybe it is you who needs to check some links or do a bit of research, k?
The US is not sending troops because of one primary reason: we were not asked. As posted above by Duzey, you will see that even your vaunted Canadian troops are not even being requested, and yet, Canada insists on sending them anyways. Hello?!
And prior to the 2nd Gulf War, Canada was where in relation to Sudan, Rowanda, etc.? As to the allegation of criminal negligence, please feel free at any time to file charges, k?
Yeah, okie dokie, DeusEx.
The US is lying and the money is nothing but a "promise"? Then the money being offered by Canada isa lie and merely another unfilled "promise". Btw, where that money coming from anyhow? Out of the mere $9-13 billion military budget?
Erm, if you, yourself, would have read the link on page one I provided, you will have noted that the US has already sent over $800 million.
According to a vast majority of Iraqis, you are incorrect. Who should we be listening to: you or the Iraqis? Methinks the latter.
Subjective, nothing more, nothing less. You can certainly do better than that.
Originally posted by Seekerof
as posted by Aelita
Need we say more?
Quite frankly, between you and your fellow anti-US cohorts who posted prior to you, all of you need to simply think.
How so?
Try these from April 2005:
Zoellick said the United States will devote more than $1.7 billion to reconstruction efforts and humanitarian aid in Sudan for this year, and "there will be more" over the next two years. Congress already has allocated $850 million to help the Sudanese in 2005 and the president has asked lawmakers to approve another $880 million.
U.S. to promise $1.7B in aid for Sudan
More here:
U.S. to Promise $1.7B in Aid for Sudan
Someone mentioned OIL, in relation to the US?
:shk:
Pathetic and 'a' typical for those less inclined to research Sudan and its oil, huh?!
Try these:
China: Protectorate of Sudan and its oil
Sudan's oil makes China a defender against U.N.
Oil-hungry China takes Sudan under its wing
posted by xmotex
Simply stating fairly obvious facts is now "US-bashing."
Obvious my butt.
Always the US, huh?
More subjective than objective, as par.
NO mention or bashing of the UN, French, Canadian, and Chinese misteps on this issue of course, huh?
Simply pathetic.
[edit on 13-5-2005 by Seekerof]
"There is not a lot of transparency about these contracts, we don't know how they vet recruits or what kind of training they get," she says. Unlike a government agency, the private companies are not required to tell the public exactly what they do, often citing "business confidentiality."
Military Contractors Working for Peace
Dyncorp is already working in Sudan, under the same State Department contract, on the long-standing "North-South" peace negotiations to end the 21-year civil war between the Government of Sudan and the Sudan People's Liberation Movement, the rebel group based in the south. The company provides staff in Washington DC who arrange housing and transportation to the delegates who meet in Nairobi, Kenya.
"Why are we using private contractors to do peace negotiations in Sudan? The answer is simple," says a senior United States government official who works on Sudan-related issues who preferred to remain anonymous. "We are not allowed to fund a political party or agenda under United States law, so by using private contractors, we can get around those provisions. Think of this as somewhere between a covert program run by the CIA and an overt program run by the United States Agency for International Development. It is a way to avoid oversight by Congress."
DynCorp has dozens of these little contracts all over the world from Afghanistan to the Mexican border, several of which have landed the company in hot water.