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NEWS: Rocket Fired From Lebanon Lands In Israel

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posted on May, 11 2005 @ 08:33 PM
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A Katyusha rocket launched from Lebanese territory landed in the Northern Israeli town of Shlomi today. The rocket heavily damaged a factory but caused no injuries. The Israeli army has threatend retaliatory action saying "The Lebanese government is responsible for all incidents which take place in Lebanese territory, including these attacks, which are conducted by terror organizations,"
 



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JERUSALEM - A Katyusha rocket fired from Lebanon landed in the northern Israeli town of Shlomi late Wednesday, the army said, heavily damaging a factory in an industrial zone and drawing an Israeli threat of retaliation.

There were no injuries, and no one immediately claimed responsibility. But in a statement, the Israeli army said it held Lebanon responsible for the attack, which it said was the third such rocket strike in the past year.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


"The Lebanese government is responsible for all incidents which take place in Lebanese territory"? I find that rather ironic considering how:


Earlier this week, Israel mistakenly fired an artillery shell into Lebanon while clearing an explosive field planted by the guerrillas near the border. The army said the shell fell in an open area, causing no damage or casualties.

The supreme hypocrits are at it again. They can do it and its an accident but some party outside of the Lebanese government fires a rocket at Israel and the Lebanese government are held directly responsible.

Does that mean Israel considers the United States responsible for 9/11? After all the terrorist's weapons were launched from American airports, hell the weapons were American in origin.

Its a slippery slope when playing the blame game.

[edit on 11/5/05 by subz]




posted on May, 12 2005 @ 05:26 AM
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Well the obvious difference is that the Isreali shell overshot it's legitimate target and fell on the wrong side of an imaginary line. The Lebenese AIMED their missile at a city full of people, for the THIRD time in the last year.

I can't see any comparison in the two events.

edit/ and yes the Lebenese government should be held responsible IMO, they're supposed to be in control of their country and they're failing to prevent it happening. Same as we would be responsible if we allowed a group of rebels to fire missiles into Canada every few months. If you don't/won't/can't stop it happening, you're responsible for it.

[edit on 5/12/2005 by mythatsabigprobe]



posted on May, 13 2005 @ 04:37 PM
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Yeah, I don't understand the author's reasoning here that this is not Lebanon's fault. That statement kinda narrowed the focus of this story and that's probably why it's gotten few replies.

Anyways, what are the Lebanese trying to say here? Are they saying, "look at us, if we had a nuke, you'd all be toast?" Guess so, eh?

Zip



posted on May, 13 2005 @ 09:07 PM
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Swissinfo: Hizbollah, Israeli forces clash in border area

Israeli artillery and aircraft pounded the outskirts of Lebanese border villages on Friday in a fierce clash with Hizbollah guerrillas that ratcheted up tensions on the volatile frontier.

The fighting in the disputed Shebaa Farms strip comes as Lebanon prepares to hold its first general election without a Syrian military presence for 33 years.

The United States said it was "deeply concerned" and urged both sides to immediately end the fighting.

Hizbollah and Israel accused each other of firing first.

The Israeli army said Hizbollah fired more than 10 mortars and rockets at army bases in the Shebaa Farms. It had retaliated with air strikes on three Hizbollah posts and artillery fire on a fourth.



posted on May, 13 2005 @ 09:26 PM
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i bet syria or iran staged this to start a fight between them.



posted on May, 14 2005 @ 01:53 PM
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If the Lebanese government can be blamed for letting Hezbollah fire a missile into Israel then the United States government can be blamed for letting Al Qaeda hijack 2 planes on U.S soil.

It swings both ways is what I was trying to illustrate. The Israeli's should blame Hezbollah instead of dragging Lebanon in its entirety along for the ride.

They should lay blame where it belongs (Hezbollah) and put pressure on Lebanon to end Hezbollah's attacks. If they fail then maybe the Lebanese might need more help, instead of being bombed. Just a thought.

[edit on 14/5/05 by subz]



posted on May, 14 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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Subz is right. The majority of Lebanese people and the government do not support Hezbollah. If memory serves me correctly, there were American citizens who were fighting with the Taliban against coalition forces. Thus, by this logic, the United States should invade itself.



posted on May, 14 2005 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by namehere
i bet syria or iran staged this to start a fight between them.


Hezbollah is not an independent organization. They get financial and idiological support from Iran, and training and protection from Syria.
These countries don't need to stage something to get Hezbollah involved in a fight with Israel. They OWN Hezbollah and can simply tell it to do that.


The majority of Lebanese people and the government do not support Hezbollah.


Thought not entierly true (it isn't clear if they are the majority), it just illustrates my point.



posted on May, 14 2005 @ 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by subz
If the Lebanese government can be blamed for letting Hezbollah fire a missile into Israel then the United States government can be blamed for letting Al Qaeda hijack 2 planes on U.S soil.

It swings both ways is what I was trying to illustrate. The Israeli's should blame Hezbollah instead of dragging Lebanon in its entirety along for the ride.


a: Of course Israel blames the Hezbollah. But Lebanon should try to stop it instead of just sitting on there asses. They have an army but they don't even send it near the Israely border and simply allow an armed terrorist militia run amok.

b: Hezbollah fired into another country. Had the terorists from Al Qaeda that hijacked the 2 planes on U.S soil crushed them into Canadian buildings there would be hell to pay. Canada would say the US is partialy responsible for allowing such gaps in security and would be right.

c: After the 9/11 attack it was accepted that problematic security is indeed part of the problem, so internal measures were taken, BUT:

d: The US government is OPPOSED to terrorists trying to kill its people and tried to prevent the attack (I can't belive I have to write this), while Lebanies govenment does nothing to stop Hezbollah and doesn't even say its wrong. And last but not least:

e: The Al-Qaeda terrorists were foreign nationals, thus making it an outside attack on the US, which justly complained to SA. Israel did the same with Lebanon.




They should lay blame where it belongs (Hezbollah) and put pressure on Lebanon to end Hezbollah's attacks. If they fail then maybe the Lebanese might need more help, instead of being bombed. Just a thought.

Such behavior led to the 82 war. Also Israel bombs Hezbollah hideouts and camps, not Lebanies government buildings.



posted on May, 15 2005 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by Parmenides
a: Of course Israel blames the Hezbollah. But Lebanon should try to stop it instead of just sitting on there asses. They have an army but they don't even send it near the Israely border and simply allow an armed terrorist militia run amok.

First of all Israel is threatening the Lebanese nation with retaliation, not Hezbollah, so youre wrong there. You also think that Israel would want the Lebanese Army massing on their border with Israel? I think they'd class it as a sign of agression and probably wipe them out before asking questions.


Originally posted by Parmenides
b: Hezbollah fired into another country. Had the terorists from Al Qaeda that hijacked the 2 planes on U.S soil crushed them into Canadian buildings there would be hell to pay. Canada would say the US is partialy responsible for allowing such gaps in security and would be right.

Thats not my point, the point is that America laid blame for the Al Qaeda attacks not in America it laid it in Afghanistan and Iraq. The attacks were not launched from Iraq or Afghanistan yet they were still blamed for it. If the country of origin is the major determinant of who's to blame then what Wecomeinpeace is right, America should of invaded itself.


Originally posted by Parmenides
d: The US government is OPPOSED to terrorists trying to kill its people and tried to prevent the attack (I can't belive I have to write this), while Lebanies govenment does nothing to stop Hezbollah and doesn't even say its wrong. And last but not least:

How did it prevent the 9/11 attacks? It didnt scramble a single fighter jet to protect Washington even with an hours warning there were planes heading there and 2 planes had already crashed into the WTC. Great protection
the whole point of having Andrews AFB with in miles of Washington is to protect it. Great to see they never sent a single plane to find out whats happening. I dont belive they wanted to protect your country but thats for a different topic.

I dont know whether you'd noticed but the Lebanese government is in turmoil at the moment. The Syrians pulling out of Lebanon left a power vacuum and they can barely hold themselves together, let alone fight an entrenched guerilla force such as Hezbollah with out assistance.

Also another point, which you raised, is that Syria supports Hezbollah. Isnt it possible that Syria staged the Hezbollah attacks to set up the very Lebanese government that booted them out? Again you should verify who is actually responsible before threatening people with attack.


Originally posted by Parmenides
e: The Al-Qaeda terrorists were foreign nationals, thus making it an outside attack on the US, which justly complained to SA. Israel did the same with Lebanon.

Again, you even said yourself, Hezbollah is an extention of Iran. Can you be sure that they werent Iranians?


Originally posted by Parmenides
Such behavior led to the 82 war. Also Israel bombs Hezbollah hideouts and camps, not Lebanies government buildings.

You cant just bomb another country, that is an act of war regardless of the reasons. You cant bomb criminal groups in other countries either if you purport to be a lawful country yourself.

This whole precedent set by the United States for persecuting entire nations for the actions of unaffiliated terrorist groups is crazy. How did we get to the point where an entire nation is held responsible for the actions of criminals within.

Should America be invaded because of the criminals within its country? After all major organised crime rings exist within America that partake in drug trafficing, money laundering, under-age prostitution and pornography etc. These groups are responsible for death and suffering around the world eclipsing the death toll from 9/11.

Why isnt America held responsible for harbouring these criminals? It gets me so furious that so much double standards and hypocrasy abound in the so called Modern World.



posted on May, 15 2005 @ 04:53 PM
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You countradict yourself: If the country is responsible than it's allowed to demand action from it. However, if the country isn't responsible then it's allowed to act directly against the attakers within. Otherwise no one will act against them.

As to the finer points:

First of all Israel is threatening the Lebanese nation with retaliation, not Hezbollah

Reading comprehension: I said Israel knows it was Hezbollah, but "the Israeli army said it held Lebanon responsible" - as in the news source. And no one said anything about booming.


The attacks were not launched from Iraq or Afghanistan

Yes, they were. It is like saying that a tank that crossed the border now belongs to the attacked country.


How did it prevent the 9/11 attacks?

It failed (not anticipating such a scenario no one knew what to do), but it tried, which the Lebanies don't do. Even before 9/11 there were security measures in the US against terrorists.


Hezbollah is an extention of Iran. Can you be sure that they werent Iranians?
This whole precedent set by the United States for persecuting entire nations for the actions of unaffiliated terrorist groups is crazy
Why isnt America held responsible for harbouring these criminals?

You are grossly misinformed. Hezbollah isn't an unaffiliated terrorist group (nor Al Qaede in Afghanistan),or criminals in Lebanon. They are a large movment (not a few spies). They are legit and in fact are a formal political party in Lebanon's parliament. That's why Lebanon is responsibal. In the US, criminals are persecuted by the law and go to jail.

You also think that Israel would want the Lebanese Army massing on their border with Israel?

Yes, and actually asks just that now and many times before. Israel would very much like Lebanon to clean it's own dirty laundry and leave it out of it. Again, such behavior led to the 82 war (and I mean failer to stop attacks from crossing). What would you say should a country do if it is being boombarded from a nighboring countrie's teritory and they don't even pretend to try and stop it?

You cant just bomb another country, that is an act of war regardless of the reasons.

Lebanon don't want to sign peace with Israel. Currently they are in a state of war, so there. Even if they weren't, my point still stands.




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