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NEWS: Secret Service Told Grenade Landed Near Bush

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posted on May, 10 2005 @ 09:09 PM
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U.S. officials investigating alleged incident in Georgia. Officials are investigating a report that an apparent hand grenade landed about 100 feet from where President Bush was speaking Tuesday in Tblisi, the capital of Georgia, a Secret Service spokesman said.

 



www.cnn.com
The Secret Service has not yet confirmed whether the object was a real grenade and if so, whether the pin had been pulled, said spokesman Jim Mackin.

"We have not seen the reported device," he said.

No explosion was reported.

Mackin said Georgian officials alerted their U.S. counterparts about the incident several hours after Bush departed the former Soviet republic, where he received an enthusiastic welcome in a public square in the capital.

According to the account by Georgian security officials, the grenade hit an individual and fell to the ground, Mackin said.

At that point, security officers recognized the device and removed it, he said. No further details were available.

The FBI and State Department are also investigating the incident, Mackin said.

In his speech, Bush told a crowd of tens of thousands that Georgia is proving to the world that determined people can rise up and claim their freedom from oppressive rulers.

Bush's speech was the last event of his five-day, four-nation tour marking the end of World War II in Europe.

"Your most important contribution is your example," Bush said, speaking in Freedom Square, site of protests in November 2003 of the so-called Rose Revolution that put President Mikhail Saakashvili in power.




Please visit the link provided for the complete story.




This is crazy. I bet he wont be taking any trips soon. What would of happened if the President was hurt?


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posted on May, 10 2005 @ 10:56 PM
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Richard Cheney would of become president, much to the dismay of hundreds of millions around the world



posted on May, 11 2005 @ 01:57 AM
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This story is nothing but propaganda to help Putin.

Georgian "counterparts" of the Secret Service have failed to tell the Secret Service whether the pin was pulled??? Whether it was real grenade??? Are we to assume the Secret Service failed to ask these questions of their counterparts??? These are questions a teenager could answer on the spot.

This story was released as propaganda and the simple questions I mentioned will be answered many days from now as they determine how to spin the story according to public response and sympathy.



posted on May, 11 2005 @ 05:38 AM
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What would happen if the President was hurt?
Maybe a few less countries might get invaded



posted on May, 11 2005 @ 07:11 AM
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Some people really need to practice their throwing skills. The grenade was no where near, rubbish throw.



posted on May, 11 2005 @ 01:35 PM
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Is it another so-called "grenade" like the weak cherry bombs outside the British Consulate last week?

Or was it a big, pink, plastic toy with "boom" written on the side, as some kind of lame-ass protest or ill-conceived performance-art piece?



[edit on 11-5-2005 by Phugedaboudet]



posted on May, 11 2005 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by Kriz_4
Some people really need to practice their throwing skills. The grenade was no where near, rubbish throw.


More anti-American, anti-Bush rhetoric from kriz_4. What's with you anyway? You should really try getting a major clue. If you want these wars against muslims to stop, then muslims have to stop with the terrorist BS. What exactly do you think would be the result if "some people" really had practiced "their throwing skills"? Not sure? Maybe you'd like to find out by volunteering to pick up the duds at the grenade range nearest you.



posted on May, 11 2005 @ 05:45 PM
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Hey try proving that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by muslims. Try proving that Iraq had anything to do with it. I bet you you cant.

Then you might understand why people would rather see the back of Mr.Bush



posted on May, 11 2005 @ 07:13 PM
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and so Bin laden boasting of 9/11 and Atta's left overs (notes ect...) are what exactly????

you bring up a perfectly valid point (Iraq and 9/11) and then throw out crap and completely disenfranchise anything valid you have to say, Like I’ve said before there is prenty to complain about and to nail Bush to the wall with, with out having to exaggerate or selective picking of the facts or resorting to delusional and paranoiac conspiracies. I dont really like his Leadership in most things and have serious doubts about his abilities but I'm not going to go and call him satan incarnate (maybe cheney, lol).

I dont know why but the most vocal and rabid part of those who opposed the views and agendas of this administration completely overshadow those who have real and legitement problems (no mass delusions) and put off prenty of regurlar sane people dont like the way things are and have doubts in the administration but still sided with them because of some of the nonsense coming out of the anti-bush crowd. President Bush won the last election (unlike the first) by a lot of people who felt uneasy about voting for him but where completely put off by some of the nonsense that comes out of the opposition. It's like trying to build a case against hitler with all the real can concrete evidence in like say 1938 before WWII and closing your arguements by blaming him for the titanic, the great depression and being the scout for an reptilian/borg invasion from the 24th century. you can have all the proof in the world but with a closing like that whose going to really take you seriously?



posted on May, 12 2005 @ 05:44 AM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Kriz_4
Some people really need to practice their throwing skills. The grenade was no where near, rubbish throw.


More anti-American, anti-Bush rhetoric from kriz_4. What's with you anyway? You should really try getting a major clue. If you want these wars against muslims to stop, then muslims have to stop with the terrorist BS. What exactly do you think would be the result if "some people" really had practiced "their throwing skills"? Not sure? Maybe you'd like to find out by volunteering to pick up the duds at the grenade range nearest you.


I am not Anti-American. Show me where I am.

You are very close to being on ignore after your childish name calling ans suggestive remarks.

I suggest you leave me alone.



posted on May, 13 2005 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Kriz_4
You are very close to being on ignore.

I suggest you leave me alone.


Done.

Just saved you and mostly me any further problems.

You have been placed on ignore, where you join OOPS and others of your ilk.



[edit on 5/13/2005 by centurion1211]



posted on May, 13 2005 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by subz
Hey try proving that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by muslims. Try proving that Iraq had anything to do with it. I bet you you cant.

Then you might understand why people would rather see the back of Mr.Bush


Are you serious?.....


What a bunch of bs....weren't you a reporter for ATSNN back a few months ago?.... i wonder what happened to "Deny Ignorance."


First of all we have this statement.


Bin Laden: Yes, I did it
By David Bamber
(Filed: 11/11/2001)

OSAMA BIN LADEN has for the first time admitted that his al-Qa'eda group carried out the attacks on the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, the Telegraph can reveal.





Osama bin Laden with journalist Hamid Mir during the interview for a Pakistani newspaper


Excerpted from.
www.portal.telegraph.co.uk.../news/2001/11/11/wbin11.xml


Here is another link...
www.cbc.ca...

And if you don't want to believe the evidence from US intelligence, let's look at what the intelligence in other countries have been saying...again.........


Furthermore, in a 700-page indictment, Spanish Judge Baltasar Garzon identified Zougam as a follower of Imad Yarkas, alleged leader of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network in Spain. Yarkas is currently jailed in Spain on charges stemming from the September 11, 2001 attacks.


Excerpted from.
www.jamestown.org...



Spain tries 9/11 terror suspects



Immad Yarkas is alleged to have lead an al-Qaeda cell in Spain


Three men have appeared in court in Spain charged with helping to plan the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US.
They include the alleged head of an al-Qaeda cell in Spain, who is accused of arranging a meeting allegedly attended by one of the 19 attackers. Another man is charged with filming the World Trade Center and giving the tapes to militants before the US attacks. Also on Friday, a US court will hear a guilty plea from the only man charged in the US over the attacks.

Zacarias Moussaoui, who was born in France to Moroccan parents, has been charged with conspiracy. He could face the death penalty if convicted. The defendants in the Spanish trial are part of a group of 41 suspects indicted by the anti-terrorist judge Baltasar Garzon. Judge Garzon says Spain was a key base for hiding, helping, recruiting and financing al-Qaeda members in the lead-up to the attacks on New York and Washington. The group also includes Osama Bin Laden and other senior figures in al-Qaeda, but under Spanish law suspects cannot be tried in absentia.


Excerpted from.
news.bbc.co.uk...

The evidence not ony comes from countries such as Spain, France, and other European countries, that it has been radicals who have been committing these terrorist acts, and plan on making more...

Can we prove that it was radicals Muslims who carried the 9/11 attacks?.... YES

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posted on May, 13 2005 @ 05:08 PM
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Oh... I forgot.... Can we prove that Iraq/Saddam has been helping radical Muslims to carry out attacks against the US and the west in general?... Once again, the anwser is a resounding yes.


Iraqi defectors say that Saddam trained terrorists for attacks against US and EU

STILL AT WAR: One of the men making the allegations was a lieutenant general and used to be one of the most senior officers in the Iraqi intelligence service

NY TIMES NEWS SERVICE , NEW YORK
Saturday, Nov 10, 2001,Page 6

Two defectors from Iraqi intelligence said Wednesday that they had worked for several years at a secret Iraqi government camp that had trained Islamic terrorists in rotations of five or six months since 1995.
They said the training in the camp, south of Baghdad, was aimed at carrying out attacks against neighboring countries and possibly Europe and the US.


The defectors, one of whom was a lieutenant general and was once one of the most senior officers in the Iraqi intelligence service, the Mukhabarat, said they did not know if the Islamic militants being trained at the camp, known as Salman Pak, were linked to Osama bin Laden.


Excerpted from.
www.taipeitimes.com...



Putin says Iraq planned US attack
Russian President Vladimir Putin says that after the 9/11 attacks Moscow warned Washington that Saddam Hussein was planning attacks on the US.

He said Russia's secret service had information on more than one occasion that Iraq was preparing acts of terror in the US and its facilities worldwide.


Excerpted from.
news.bbc.co.uk...


Sunday November 11, 2001
The Observer

His friends call him Abu Amin, 'the father of honesty'. At 43, he is one of Iraq's most highly decorated intelligence officers: a special forces veteran who organised killings behind Iranian lines during the first Gulf war, who then went on to a senior post in the unit known as 'M8' - the department for 'special operations', such as sabotage, terrorism and murder. This is the man, Colonel Muhammed Khalil Ibrahim al-Ani, whom Mohamed Atta flew halfway across the world to meet in Prague last April, five months before piloting his hijacked aircraft into the World Trade Centre.

Evidence is mounting that this meeting was not an isolated event. The Observer has learnt that Atta's talks with al-Ani were only one of several apparent links between Iraq, the 11 September hijackers and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network. Senior US intelligence sources say the CIA has 'credible information' that in the spring of this year, at least two other members of the hijacking team also met known Iraqi intelligence agents outside the United States. They are believed to be Atta's closest associates and co-leaders, Marwan al-Shehri and Ziad Jarrah, the other two members of the 'German cell ' who lived with Atta in Hamburg in the late 1990s.


Excerpted from.
observer.guardian.co.uk...


OSAMA BIN LADEN and Saddam Hussein had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for al Qaeda--perhaps even for Mohamed Atta--according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by THE WEEKLY STANDARD.


Excerpted from.
www.weeklystandard.com...


Iraq

Has Iraq sponsored terrorism?
Yes. Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship provided headquarters, operating bases, training camps, and other support to terrorist groups fighting the governments of neighboring Turkey and Iran, as well as to hard-line Palestinian groups. During the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam commissioned several failed terrorist attacks on U.S. facilities. The State Department lists Iraq as a state sponsor of terrorism.


Excerpted from.
www.terrorismanswers.org...



Though they may get scant attention, some of the facts of Saddam's involvement with Islamic terrorism are not disputed. Hamas, the fundamentalist Palestinian group, whose gift to the world is the suicide bomb, has maintained a Baghdad office - funded by Saddam - for many years. His intelligence service, the Mukhabarat, has a special department whose sole function is liaison with Hamas. In return, Hamas has praised Saddam extravagantly on its website and on paper.

Since his defeat in the Gulf War in 1991, Saddam's supposed secularism has looked decidedly thin. Increasingly, he has relied on Islamist rhetoric in an attempt to rally the "Arab street". Meanwhile, Osama bin Laden's 1998 fatwa justified its call for Muslims to kill American and Jewish civilians on the basis of a lengthy critique of US hostility towards "secular Iraq.


Excerpted from.
www.thisislondon.co.uk...#


Let's not forget the link that authorities in Spain found between one of the radicals involved in 9/11 and the Iraqi embassy.


Spain links suspect in 9/11 plot to Baghdad

David Rose
Sunday March 16, 2003
The Observer

An alleged terrorist accused of helping the 11 September conspirators was invited to a party by the Iraqi ambassador to Spain under his al-Qaeda nom de guerre, according to documents seized by Spanish investigators.

Yusuf Galan, who was photographed being trained at a camp run by Osama bin Laden, is now in jail, awaiting trial in Madrid. The indictment against him, drawn up by investigating judge Baltasar Garzon, claims he was 'directly involved with the preparation and carrying out of the attacks ... by the suicide pilots on 11 September'.

Evidence of Galan's links with Iraqi government officials came to light only recently, as investigators pored through more than 40,000 pages of documents seized in raids at the homes of Galan and seven alleged co-conspirators.


Excerpted from.
observer.guardian.co.uk...


This month, I went to Prague to meet with Czech officials who had directly handled the pre-9/11 expulsion of a senior Iraqi diplomat, a case that would became known as the Prague Connection. Because it goes to the heart of the issue of whether Saddam Hussein might have played a role in the attack on the World Trade Center, this controversy has continued to rage, without any satisfying conclusion, for more than two years.

The background: On April 21, 2001, the CIA's liaison officer at the U.S. Embassy in Prague was briefed by the Czech counterintelligence service (known by its Czech acronym, BIS) about an extraordinary development in a spy case that concerned both the United States and the Czech Republic. The subject of the briefing was Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, the consul at Iraq's embassy in Prague.

The reason there had been joint Czech-American interest in the case traced back to the December 1998 when al-Ani's predecessor at the Iraq Embassy, Jabir Salim, defected from his post. In his debriefings, Salim said that he had been supplied with $150,000 by Baghdad to prepare a car-bombing of an American target, the Prague headquarters of Radio Free Europe. (This bombing never took place because Salim could not recruit a bomber.)


Excerpted from.
slate.msn.com...


Need more links?




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posted on May, 13 2005 @ 05:23 PM
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Anyways...back to the topic.....

i hope that authorities catch whoever did this.



posted on May, 14 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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One small problem Muaddib. You assume your government and other governments with much to lose by crossing America are telling you the truth.

Firstly Osama Bin Laden has links with the CIA and many believe him to remain a CIA asset.

Atleast a few of those terrorists Washington said were responsible for hijacking those planes on 9/11 showed up alive and well in the Middle East. They hadnt even visited the United States. Explain that.

It is my opinion that the United States government carried out the sophisticated attack on the WTC and Pentagon with radio guided planes. The accuracy of the planes has put them well out of the supposed abillities of the hijackers.

The 270 degree turn by the plane that hit the Pentagon is so difficult that experienced U.S Airforce pilots say that it would of been impossible for them to carry it off.

Osama Bin Laden claims responsiblity? Like I said, he has been admittedly funded by the CIA before and he remains at the beck and call of the Americans. They say "tell the world you did this" and he says "for how much?". The financial links between the Bush family and the Bin Ladens is well documented and covered so its not much of an extrapolation that they are still working together.

The evidence surrounding the WTC collapse is also well documented. Before 9/11 not a single steel structure had collapsed. The whole WTC complex was bought by Larry Silverstein and insured for a whopping $7.1 billion just 4 weeks before the attack. Another happy coincidence?

The basic facts are the people who are said to of hijacked the planes are showing up alive and well in the Middle East, Bin Laden is closely linked to the CIA and the Bush family, no planes were scrambled to intercept the Pentagon bound plane even though Andrews AFB is mere miles and had over an hours notice and on and on

There are so many holes in that story

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posted on May, 14 2005 @ 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by Kriz_4
You are very close to being on ignore.

I suggest you leave me alone.


Done.

Just saved you and mostly me any further problems.

You have been placed on ignore, where you join OOPS and others of your ilk.



[edit on 5/13/2005 by centurion1211]


The pair of you grow up. This is the news forum, post accordingly.



posted on May, 14 2005 @ 07:07 PM
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subz...are we going once more to get off the main topic of this thread?....

Stick to the topic and stop posting wild theories which have no basis in fact.

There is no connection of president Bush and Osama Bin Laden...the connection is with the Bin Laden family which is very extensive and has major business in the Middle East and in Europe... The Bin Laden family disowned Osama and Osama has proclaimed that he is fighting a war against his own family because they have embraced the west and are living as many Americans do...

Osama Bin Laden was one of the Arab fighters which were trained in the 80s by the CIA to fight against the communists... now the communists are helping radical Islamic groups and terrorists to fight against the west... so how do you explain that the Arabs were fighting against the Russians back in the 80s and now are helping the same Islamic states they were trying to invade by force?..... People change sides all the time for their own agendas. This has been true and has happened in the history of the world.... Enemies have united in the past to fight against a common enemy and then have begun fighting each other again....and this will continue happening....

Let's stick to the original topic in this thread and if you want to discuss anything else you can make another thread in the proper forum.


BTW many Arabs share the same names and this has been a problem in the past also with mistaken identities.... just like there are many people that share yours and my name.... what exactly does that prove?...


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posted on May, 15 2005 @ 04:12 AM
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Muaddib dont lecture me on using the correct forums, you posted 2 essays not me. My post was merely in response to this:


Originally posted by centurion1211
More anti-American, anti-Bush rhetoric from kriz_4. What's with you anyway? You should really try getting a major clue. If you want these wars against muslims to stop, then muslims have to stop with the terrorist BS. What exactly do you think would be the result if "some people" really had practiced "their throwing skills"? Not sure? Maybe you'd like to find out by volunteering to pick up the duds at the grenade range nearest you.


You took it upon yourself to flood the discussion with those dubious "facts" and who am I to say whether they were off topic or not. This whole off topic nazism is really getting old.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 07:35 AM
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Hear is some more info. on what was thrown. It sounds like the people there were very lucky.

aolsvc.news.aol.com...



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 08:15 AM
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Accoridng to some George Bush has now seen combat, and is a combat vetran.

Like O'riely, who also has been in combat and in the military

/nothing in the above statements is remotely true




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