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TERRORISM: Terrorist Suspect Seeks Asylum in the US

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posted on May, 9 2005 @ 06:22 PM
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Luis Posada Carrilles, a Cuban exile, and wanted terrorist in Venezuela for the downing of a Cuban passenger plane in 1976, has reportedly applied for political asylum in the United States. It is being reported that Carrilles slipped into the U.S. a few weeks ago, however the U.S. has stated that his whereabouts are currently unknown.
 



ap.tbo.com
Castro has called Posada "the most famous and cruel terrorist of the Western Hemisphere," and he has repeatedly demanded Posada's extradition to Venezuela, where authorities want him for the 1976 bombing.

The official, asking not to be identified, said consideration of asylum requests includes national security and law enforcement criteria. A person who seeks asylum need not be in the presence of a U.S. government official when applying.

Cuban National Assembly President Ricardo Alarcon said Monday in Havana that Posada "learned to kill" during a Cold War-era stint with the CIA in the 1960's.

State Department spokesman Tom Casey said Monday that no extradition request from Venezuela for Posada had been received.

"In terms of where he presently is, I think it's fair to say we don't know," Casey said. Posada's Miami lawyer, Eduardo Soto, confirmed at a news conference last month that the Cuban had arrived clandestinely into the United States.



Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


"If" the U.S. grants political asylum to Carilles, it would prove the War on Terrorism is a total fraud and sham. This government has swore to seek and hunt down terrorists where ever they may be, not harbor them. The U.S. would be no better than Syria, Saudia Arabia, or any other country that we sometimes criticize for not doing their part in the campaign against terror. Carrilles should be hunted down and sent to Venezuela to face due process in court for his crimes. If he is indeed innocent and not involved, he should be able to prove that to a court. It is also interesting to note that the Cubans accuse the CIA for training him.




posted on May, 9 2005 @ 07:36 PM
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kind of interesting that this story got covered in Venezuelan & Chinese media before making it to the US media.

Castro blasts US for harboring Cuban terrorist

*must read
Now this is some deep conspiracy stuff, keep in mind it is opinion though.
Posada Carriles’ US asylum application re-opens unsolved JFK assassination case



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 08:33 PM
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No need to fret yet. He has applied for asylum, he hasn't recieved it. Will he get it? Bush couldn't talk his way out of it if he did. I say let him be extradited and face his charges; We don't want or need him, IMO.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 03:35 PM
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UPDATE:

Cuban Militant Posada Detained By U.S.


MIAMI (AP) -- Facing growing international pressure, federal immigration authorities Tuesday detained a Cuban militant linked to a deadly 1976 airliner bombing and other acts of anti-Fidel Castro violence who has been seeking asylum in the United States.

Luis Posada Carriles, a former CIA operative and Venezuelan security official, was detained by the Department of Homeland Security on Tuesday afternoon, said Dean Boyd, spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. The move came shortly after Posada emerged from about two months in hiding in the Miami area.

Cuban President Fidel Castro's calls for Posada's arrest by U.S. authorities was echoed by thousands in protests in Havana on Tuesday. Castro claims Posada was brought to Miami from Mexico on a shrimp boat, but Posada says he entered the United States through Mexico and came to Miami on a bus.


and someone wants to tell me that the Government didn't know that this guy was hiding in Miami all along

now that he is caught, send him back to Cuba or to Venezuela asap.
He came thru Mexico...terrorist came thru Mexico...isn't it time to close our borders yet Mr. President?

Wanted Terrorist Came to US thru Mexican Border


[edit on 5-17-2005 by worldwatcher]



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher

and someone wants to tell me that the Government didn't know that this guy was hiding in Miami all along

now that he is caught, send him back to Cuba or to Venezuela asap.
He came thru Mexico...terrorist came thru Mexico...isn't it time to close our borders yet Mr. President?


[edit on 5-17-2005 by worldwatcher]


of course not, mr. president still need more slave labor for his corporate buddies. he need another 20 million slaves till we can close the border, but first mr.president need to close the canada-US border cause those canadians give us bad slave labor, mexicans make better slave labor, "mr. president thinks".



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 04:02 PM
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Worldwatcher...why is it that you are so willing to believe what fidel castro is claiming about this man?

He was trying to get rid of fidel castro....not kill innocent Cubans.

fidel castro also called as terrorists the people who were killed by the Cuban migs (it was actually one Cuban mig who opened fire upon the civilian aircraft) over international waters as they were in one of their patrols to look for Cuban people who are always trying to leave the island with homemade rafts.

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posted on May, 17 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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oh wait a minute, so because he tried to kill Fidel Castro, I should feel sorry for him? Isn't that a terrorist act? Trying to murder a leader of a country? we can't have double standards for terrorists now can we?

I've read enough about this man from all sides of the issue to still have him fall under the category of terrorist, whether or not I agree with the definition of a terrorist, he fits the bill and should be treated as such.



www.miami.com...
The arrest also came on the day the U.S. government summoned Posada to an asylum interview in downtown Miami. But instead of appearing at the interview, Posada gave a news conference at a warehouse near Hialeah where he said he was having second thoughts about going forward with his asylum application.

Hours later, Posada's Coral Gables immigration attorney said he formally withdrew the application and that his client was thinking about leaving the country.

Posada's main South Florida benefactor, Alvarez, then suggested that Posada's departure was imminent and that he would leave just as secretly as he slipped into the country in March.

The extraordinary turn of events unfolded Tuesday, just hours after Posada finished reading a lengthy statement and answering questions during his second encounter with the media since arriving in Miami and applying for asylum -- claiming he was being persecuted by Cuban agents bent on abducting or assassinating him. His first interview was with the Herald which published it Tuesday.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by worldwatcher
oh wait a minute, so because he tried to kill Fidel Castro, I should feel sorry for him? Isn't that a terrorist act? Trying to murder a leader of a country? we can't have double standards for terrorists now can we?

I've read enough about this man from all sides of the issue to still have him fall under the category of terrorist, whether or not I agree with the definition of a terrorist, he fits the bill and should be treated as such.


fidel castro is more of a terrorist than this man is and therefore according to your own statements then we should go after fidel castro first. I am sure that Carriles would like to be traded by fidel, since fidel has carried more terrorist acts against the US and is harboring more terrorists in Cuba than fidel alleges the US has.


WW...they (castro and his venezuelan cohort Chavez) are claiming that he bombed a civilian aircraft... He was already put on trial in Venezuela, before Chavez was in power...now they want to retry him again for the same crime.

castro for some reason opposes that Carriles be tried by the international community.


Cuba Opposed to Trial of Posada Carriles by NATO Member-States

Havana, May 11 (AIN) Cuba opposes international terrorist Luis Posada Carriles being tried in any European member-country of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), said Cuban
President Fidel Castro.

Commenting on a recent editorial in the New York Times in which the idea of a European trial is suggested, Fidel Castro said, "We are willing to accept Posada being tried by a neutral international court," adding though that the trial has to be held with the consent of Venezuela, which has full rights on the case.

We do not believe that any NATO country can play a neutral role in setting up an international court to judge Luis Posada Carriles, said President Castro during his TV appearance Wednesday evening at Havana's Convention Center.


Excerpted from.
www.ain.camaguey.cu...


castro doesn't give a damn about the international community, and he is known to have deals with terrorists, and to harbor terrorists in Cuba. Yet, he now is demanding the US to give up Carriles? Give me a break...


BTW according to Carriles himself, he came into the US through the Mexican border. He wasn't smuggled in with the US consent as some people seem to claim.


[edit on 17-5-2005 by Muaddib]



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 07:20 PM
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yep another crime under his belt, illegally entering the US thru Mexico

have you seen this?
A Look at Luis Posada Carriles' Life


_ May 1965: FBI report has him associated with plot to overthrow Guatemalan government.

_ June 1965: FBI reports say Posada planned to blow up Soviet or Cuban freighter in port of Veracruz, Mexico.

April-September 1997: Hotel bombings in Havana kill one tourist. Cuba blames Posada, who first acknowledges and then denies role in the attacks.

_ November 17, 2000: Castro announces plot to assassinate him at Ibero-American summit in Panama. Panamanian officials find explosives, arrest Posada and three others, who are later convicted of endangering public security.


I see your point Muaddib, this man can be seen as freedom fighter, but under our own laws and rules, this man is dangerous terrorist. He should be treated as such. We can't change the rules when we feel like, allowing only arabs or muslim freedom fighters to be called terrorists but Cuban or others not.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 08:20 PM
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WW, there is more to this than meets the eye.

First off, the one reason that castro keeps giving sayin that this man is a terrorist is the bombing of the Cuban airliner.

You don't know the full story behind this. Right now as we speak, there is an interview being conducted in spanish about this case, and the evidence that some news media is not reporting.

First off, the person that was really part of the bombing in Venezuela was Ricardo "Monkey" Morales. This man was a senior Venezuelan police officer when the bombings had occurred, and he ordered the arrest of Posada, and Bosch.


The first hint of trouble, Luis Posada Carriles says, came when Ricardo ``Monkey'' Morales - a fellow Cuban exile he distrusted - said he would join him to greet Orlando Bosch, another exile, at Caracas' airport on Sept. 7, 1976.

Posada, in a little-known 1994 self-published autobiography - "The Roads of the Warrior" - says Morales' move was a bad omen.

He was right.

A month later, Morales - a senior Venezuelan police officer - ordered Posada and Bosch arrested as suspects in the mid-air bombing of a Cuban airliner that killed 73 people. The tragedy is central to whether Posada, now in hiding in South Florida, will win U.S. asylum.


Excerpted from.
havanajournal.com...


Santiago Alvarez is a long-time friend of Posada's. He provided Local 10 with a tape of Morales telling a Venezuelan reporter that, in fact, Posada had no role at all in the plane bombing -- the opposite of what Morales told Miami-Dade police.

"Monkey Morales was one of those legendary persons who does everything wrong," Alvarez said.

On the tape, Morales names everyone else he believed was involved in the bombing, but never mentions Posada.


Excerpted from.
www.local10.com...

Morales, did make a declaration of who was involved in the bombings, he had set up both Bosch, and Carriles to take the blame. Later on he declared to the Miami police department that Bosch was not involved, but that Carriles was part of the plot, he then later proclaimed that Carriles was not involved in this either.

After making this statement Morales was killed of a gunshot wound in a bar in Key Biscayne. Probably done by some of castro's thugs who are living in the states, despite what castro claims.

Carriles has always been an oponent of castro, ever since they were young. castro has sent many assassins to kill Carriles, among some other people. Carriles has a fractured lower jaw because of a bullet wound that was intended to kill him, along some other attemps at killing him which left bullets holes in his body.

Morales had set up both Carriles and Bosch to take the blame on the Cuban airliner bombing. Morales was an exiled Cuban living in Venezuela and was a police officer over there. He was the mastermind and one of those responsible for the airliner bombing, but neither Bosch, or Carriles were involved in this.

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posted on May, 17 2005 @ 08:29 PM
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of course there are 2 sides to every story, and while I am sure we don't have all the details, the case still stands that under current laws, and the war on terrorism, this man is a terrorist, plain and simple. Clear it up in a court of law.

i touched another aspect of this quote in the other thread regarding how terrorists can slip thru our borders, but i'll put a section here for you:


quote:
www.local10.com...
Recently declassified FBI and CIA documents verify that Posada, a former Venezuelan security official, worked for the CIA for years and was connected to the airliner bombing by informants.


CIA and FBI verify that he was connected to the airline bombing.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 08:31 PM
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BTW, Carriles knows that the castro, still has spies in the US, some of whom have positions of power in the US. If he would have come in by regular means he would have been found out and he would have been killed. This is the reason why he was asking for asylum in the US, because castro wants him dead.

If you don't believe this do a goggle search on Cuban spies found working in officies of the US government.

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posted on May, 17 2005 @ 08:34 PM
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The CIA, and FBI were relying on the information provided by Morales to the Miami Dade Police Department, in which Morales first claimed that they both, Bosch and Carriles, were involved in the bombings, and then he said that only him and Carriles were involved. In an interview with a Venezuelan reporter, Morales said that Carriles was not really involved in the bombings.

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posted on May, 17 2005 @ 08:37 PM
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I would want him dead too, If I was a leader of a country and he's been plotting to assassinate me and overthrow me from power


don't mean to make light of it, I totally understand anti Castro sentiment, my neighbor's parents are older cubans who migrated from the country, but the issue is terrorism here. All terrorists should be treated equally, you can't suddenly differentiate from terrorists and freedom fighters only when the political agenda serves you (ie. the U.S.A)

umm don't forget Posada himself said he "worked" for the CIA. I'm sure they damn well know who was involved.

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posted on May, 17 2005 @ 09:11 PM
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WW. can't you not see that the Cuban dictator is making up excuses to get to this man?

And do you even know how many American terrorists has the Cuban government hiden and given asylum?

Many terrorists even go to Cuba to meet each other...and you want the US to give up this man to the Cuban dictator?

Let me give you some examples of terrorists that are still living in Cuba, and visiting Cuba.



Sinn Fein Leader Adams Visits Cuba
Sinn Fein party leader Gerry Adams arrived in Cuba for a visit intended to focus on remembering participants of a dramatic Irish Republican Army hunger strike 20 years ago.


Excerpted from.
english.people.com.cn...

Sinn Fein is an IRA leader.


But embargo advocates in the Bush administration and Congress maintain that while the U.S. has been mobilizing a global war on terrorism, Castro has been providing shelter and possibly aid to Basque separatists, Irish Republican Army members, leftist Colombian guerrillas and perhaps Iranian agents and others.
......................
The report said Castro's government has been treating 20 members of the Basque separatist group ETA, which is seeking independence from Spain, as "privileged guests'' and providing "some degree of safe haven and support'' to the two principal guerrilla groups in Colombia.

It said Niall Connolly, one of three IRA members facing trial in Colombia on charges of teaching bomb-making to the Colombian guerrillas, lived in Cuba for five years as the group's Latin American representative before being jailed.

Although Cuba has signed a U.N. anti-terrorism convention, Castro continues "to view terrorism as a legitimate revolutionary tactic,'' the report said.
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Administration officials say they believe that there are dozens of foreign terrorists in Cuba and that they receive special treatment from the government, making their lives more comfortable than those of ordinary Cubans. They suspect that these foreigners are collaborating with the Cuban government on intelligence matters.

Noting that Cuba had a network of terrorist training camps as recently as the 1980s, they say they suspect the foreigners may be receiving military and intelligence training as well.


Excerpted from.
www.lanuevacuba.com...

As a Cuban-American i can tell you that everything stated above is true.

Members of my family have had to fight, and treat terrorist from other countries, because castro makes them do it.

When you graduate in Cuba, from anything, let's give as an example as a doctor. You are sent to several places, all of which are called "socialist revolutionaries" to serve in those countries and help in the cause of the "revolucion"....


What about Black Panther Joanne Chesimard, who shot, and killed a state trooper in New Jersey and has been living in Cuba since she left the US and requested asylum in Cuba, which was granted. She was convicted in 1977 of killing the New Jersey state trooper.

BTW, there is a $1 million reward on her capture...but it is kind of hard to capture her since she is a guest in Cuba...

And the worse terrorist of them all living in Cuba.. fidel castro.






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posted on May, 17 2005 @ 09:19 PM
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wait a minute Muaddib, the US doesn't have to give Posada to Cuba. Send him back to Venezuela, let him go thru the courts again and deal with the outcome. Plain and simple.

don't let hatred for Castro blind your vision here, the United States doesn't deal with terrorists remember? I'll say it a different way, You can't have a war on ideology but pick and choose when this ideology applies. We want countries to cooperate with us when "terrorists" flee to their borders, we want the world to participate in the War on Terrorism, we cannot allow this man asylum or protection. If he was from any other country, he'd probably be on his way back by now.



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 09:29 PM
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Nice try WW, Chavez is a pupet of castro, he has said himself that castro is his mentor, and a moral image that Venezuela must follow....

That's BS....why do you think that castro does not want the international community to be the ones to judge Carriles?

He wants Chavez, who is another so called "socialist revolutionary" who is a friend and cohort of castro, or castro himself to get rid of Carriles.

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posted on May, 17 2005 @ 09:33 PM
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castro has called people who have tried to leave Cuba terrorists, because some of them have taken boats from Cuba to leave the dictatorship. castro calls anyone who opposes him, even if they haven't done any terrorist acts, terrorists.

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posted on May, 17 2005 @ 09:35 PM
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and who really has the right to determine if these "revolutionaries" are right or wrong? Come on...the US is not the Master of the world and face the fact Posada did some bad things and innocent people (civilians) were killed. A terrorist is a terrorist.

btw I have no problem if the United States makes an arrangement with a 3rd party country who will be willing to try Posada in an international court or something, we just cannot grant asylum, protection or allow him to stay in our borders (which again might I add, he illegally entered).

btw This issue is a matter of terrorism not personal policy and feelings towards how govts choose to operate.

You do know we have an existing extradition agreement with Venezuela right? meaning we had no problems with extraditing criminals back to Venezuela before this, so why a problem now?




[edit on 5-17-2005 by worldwatcher]



posted on May, 17 2005 @ 09:46 PM
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Which again i might add he entered trying to get away from Cuban authorities and the Cuban mafia/spies living in the US. You obviously don't understand why people seek asylum from countries like Cuba. There is real persecution there, not like what some people keep claiming is happening here.

The authorities of Panama cleared Carriles of charges....and again should i have to remind you that it is the Cuban government the one proclaiming that Carriles is one of the worse terrorists in the world?.....which is bs.

BTW, of course you have no idea that Castro has sent people to kill American presidents too right?...




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