Sex with boys: The root of Islamic Terror.

Yeah the "they hate our freedom" argument has always been bogus.
A way to sidestep the obvious fact that is is blowback from US policies that causes us to be the chief targets of these fanatics.

You don't see them flying airplanes into buildings in Stockholm or Amsterdam.

wow, now I know what it must have been like to see all the propoganda during WWII. demonizing ones enemy has been around a long time, that doesn't make it right.

maybe it was a urban myth, but weren't some of the 9/11 hijakers partying at a strip club the night before ?

Originally posted by skippytjc

Originally posted by sanctum
skippy, your link appears somewhat biased to me.
frontpagemag.com

Sanc'.

Can you document that? Prove this isnt true if you think the source is biased or questionable.

The first thing a person does on these boards when they dissagree with a statement is question the source, no matter what it is. But the bottom line is, you simply cannot know for sure no mater who it comes from. There is as much credibility to this article than any other thats posted on these boads. In the end, you need to believe what you need to believe. But the source is no less credible than any other. period.

[edit on 9-5-2005 by skippytjc]

Skippy:
I won't question your source, because even a bird passing overhead may provide us with information if we are so attuned! But I digress.

However, do you really think that the coc aine snorting, hard drinking, orgy loving, one they call ATTA.... was abuse by NAMBLA TYPES?

Oh btw...NAMBLA=National Assn of Man Boy Love! They are slime!

[edit on 9-5-2005 by skippytjc]

I havent read all 4 pages, but the article does carry some weight with me. I certainly believe that it is a possiblity and worth considering as part of the psychological make-up of these people.
I think it could well be connected in some cases.

Why do Right Wingers always vote each other "Way above" , for the lameist things, and then post it in the thread that they did it?

Why is the argument hoisted on us all that "this is no worse than....." , when a biased Right Wing source is used to further an inflammatory, ignorant misconception? The charge of "socialist" is leveled, as a knee jerk reaction, but is anyone using these "socialist" sites to corroborate anything? Who really is a socialist on this damn board....maybe 2%? Certainely not anyone making cogent arguments.

Why do Right Wingers fail to condemn Fundamentalism universally, but only pick the Islamic faiths whack jobs to focus in on? The attacks on Muhammed then ensue, with the pedophile fecal nugget being hurled.....while they forget that this was the norm for that epoch.

Why do the loudest Right Wingers who come out swinging on these types of topics, also have nicks that make them sound like the 'hard guys' from gay stereotype lore? Forgetting that those orgy attending Romans often went to 'feast' where sausage was as much of an entree as fish?

On topic:

It's likely due to the strict Fundy social mores, more so than the homosexuality. It's appeared to be an accepted happening and not a predatory transaction.
Add to that the litany of societal ills that ECK listed, and you have the root of it.
Poverty is the biggest motivator for extreme action. Period.

[edit on 10-5-2005 by Bout Time]

Originally posted by Bout Time
Why do Right Wingers always vote each other "Way above" , for the lameist things, and then post it in the thread that they did it?

Why is the argument hoisted on us all that "this is no worse than....." , when a biased Right Wing source is used to further an inflammatory, ignorant misconception? The charge of "socialist" is leveled, as a knee jerk reaction, but is anyone using these "socialist" sites to corroborate anything?

Bout Time, everything you stated can just as easily be said about the left wingers on this board. How many times have you heard "...but fox is a news source?" or "You have just voted [insert leftist persons name] for way above top secret" for spewing the most pathetic anti-american or anti-conservative drivel known to man.

What a lot of people seem to not understand is that it is both sides (yes mine included). You know, I hardly ever agree with you, but I do recognize that you are a bright guy. I thought that you would understand that making this attack on the right wingers of this board comes off as a bit hypocritical.

Anyway, on topic, I am sure that there is an underbelly of pedefilia in the Islamic world. I doubt that plays a major part in the terrorism problem that has become linked with Islam.

The problem is the Arabic world it's self. They have not advanced in the moral sense the way the Western world has. Argue it all you want, defend Islam as you may...The ME is dominated by Islamic culture, and the ME is perhaps the most inhuman place on the planet. Women aren't treated as people, and other religions are not allowed the right to exist in many countries.

The bottom line is, untill they become more Western (or we more middle Eastern), there are going to be problems. The is no way around it.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
Anyway, on topic, I am sure that there is an underbelly of pedefilia in the Islamic world. I doubt that plays a major part in the terrorism problem that has become linked with Islam.

Right on the money, AMM! This was already mentioned in the thread, and you also got it right -- the topic is pretty much a baseless specultion and essentiall slander. Boys=terror, what horsepuckey.

Correct me if Im wrong, but I read that Muslim girls have their clitorus's cut off shortly after birth.....Im not a doctor, but that surely reduces a womans sex drive and the young guys are frustrated cause their ain't no action!!

So lets see what we have here:

-Woman that are covered up.

-Woman that have no sex drive cause they were castrated at birth.

-A society that represses a humans normal sex drive.

Add those up and this whole thread falls into place.

Maximu§

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Correct me if Im wrong, but I read that Muslim girls have their clitorus's cut off shortly after birth.....Im not a doctor, but that surely reduces a womans sex drive and the young

The Female Genital Mutilation happens in tribal societies in Africa, I havent' heard of such practice in Muslim countries.

Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Correct me if Im wrong, but I read that Muslim girls have their clitorus's cut off shortly after birth.....Im not a doctor, but that surely reduces a womans sex drive and the young guys are frustrated cause their ain't no action!!

So lets see what we have here:

-Woman that are covered up.


Maximu§

just woundering where did you get this from?
because its the first time i have heard of it
or are you just trying to make s**t up?

[edit on 10-5-2005 by bodrul]

Originally posted by bodrul

just woundering where did you get this from?
because its the first time i have heard of it

or are you just trying to make s**t up?

Did you read what I said at the start of my thread or are you looking for an excuse to shoot your mouth off?

I said "Correct me if Im wrong"

I read about this awhile ago, but Im not gonna spend hours digging it up just to make you happy.

Maximu§

There are some Muslims that practice FGM, but I think they are mostly African Muslims.

From Wikipedia

Many African Muslims believe that female circumcision is required by Islam. In fact, no form of genital modification and mutilation is mentioned in the Qur'an, but only in disputed hadiths. Clerics supporting female circumcision rely on a single disputed hadith and another hadith which was discredited by the consensus of scholars as forged. In Saudi Arabia (Hijaz), where Islam originated, female circumcision has never been practiced by the locals before or after Muhammad. Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, never allowed the procedure to be performed on any of his daughters. Most scholars believe it is practiced more as a result of ignorance and misconceived religious fervor, than for reasons of true religious doctrine. Many Arab Muslims interpret different passages as being in opposition to female circumcision, and believe the practice to be un-Islamic. Amnesty International asserts that "FGM predates Islam and is not practised by the majority of Muslims, but has acquired a religious dimension."

A few others, like the Egyptian Mufti Sheikh Jad Al-Hâqq 'Ali Jad Al-Hâqq allegedly issued, in 1994, a fatwa stating: "Circumcision is mandatory for men and for women. If the people of any village decide to abandon it, the [village] imam must fight against them as if they had abandoned the call to prayer."

So LA Maximus, you are correct in thinking that some Muslims do this, but not all Muslims do this.

Now I have to go look for a nice, happy thread. FGM is painful for me to even think about. *shudder*

Originally posted by American Mad Man
What a lot of people seem to not understand is that it is both sides (yes mine included). You know, I hardly ever agree with you, but I do recognize that you are a bright guy. I thought that you would understand that making this attack on the right wingers of this board comes off as a bit hypocritical.

Anyway, on topic, I am sure that there is an underbelly of pedefilia in the Islamic world. I doubt that plays a major part in the terrorism problem that has become linked with Islam.

The problem is the Arabic world it's self. They have not advanced in the moral sense the way the Western world has. Argue it all you want, defend Islam as you may...The ME is dominated by Islamic culture, and the ME is perhaps the most inhuman place on the planet. Women aren't treated as people, and other religions are not allowed the right to exist in many countries.

The bottom line is, untill they become more Western (or we more middle Eastern), there are going to be problems. The is no way around it.

I don't see the hypocrisy; I've always been a vocal critic of "single issue agreement = blanket support for all" that ear marks Right Wingers.
Those who are categorized as "Leftists" are far from being "anti-American" - they're staunchly Pro-American. It's llike them haveing a brother hooked on crack & they're preaching the tough love life line. George Bush does note equal America - that's a critical distinction that the Right is incapable of making.
My critique of the Left on this board almost always revolves around them coming off half cocked - there's enough illegality to slam this administration - the visceral unsupported attacks are not needed....there are just too many legitimate grievences to focus on.
I do not agree with the 'connect the dots' logic you imply - that the ME is mostly Islamic to the ME is inhuman because of Islam.
The ME is the way it is because of the Colonial powers that drew the maps, installed compliant rulers who utilized the cheapest & most effective of crowd control mechanisms ( Fundy Religion), established corporate despotism that feeds the corporation & the ruler - while subjugating the people, and the ongoing demand for cheap resources to feed the First World off of the destruction of the Third World.
The despots of the world stay in power for our facility - let the workers of the Third World earn $20 a day, and Terrorism would be eradicated on a Global scale. That won't happen at $.20 an hour.

Originally posted by Bout Time
Why do Right Wingers always vote each other "Way above" , for the lameist things, and then post it in the thread that they did it?

As a recovering Republican, let this be known!

You have voted Bout Time for the Way Above Top Secret award.

Why do Right Wingers fail to condemn Fundamentalism universally, but only pick the Islamic faiths whack jobs to focus in on?

It's simple. Because they have been programmed to through fear and lack of knowledge.

The intolerance in this country is becoming intolerable.

Originally posted by EastCoastKid

Originally posted by Bout Time
Why do Right Wingers always vote each other "Way above" , for the lameist things, and then post it in the thread that they did it?

As a recovering Republican, let this be known!

You have voted Bout Time for the Way Above Top Secret award.

Why do Right Wingers fail to condemn Fundamentalism universally, but only pick the Islamic faiths whack jobs to focus in on?

It's simple. Because they have been programmed to through fear and lack of knowledge.

The intolerance in this country is becoming intolerable.

Why do left wingers condemn Christianity and cry when a bogus religion is condemned?

It's simple. Moral judgements must be made to have a civilized society. Todays rules and laws are derived from Christianity. People and actions must be judged, and liberals can't stand it.

Originally posted by Muaddib
There are extremists in every religion, that is true. But how many of the main prophets of those religions, and how many religions profess that they must go to the world and conquer it, and if those who don't believe do not accept this religion, then you can kill them? Did the Christian prophet Jesus do this?

Since I've only read the OT thus far, I can only comment on that. In the OT God promised to punish all those who worshipped idols and false gods. The prophets in the OT carried this message. So, yes, if one does not accept the religion, killing them is justified. As well, slaves were taken en masse in the OT.

But, as I said before, this new wave of fundamentalism is based upon an ideology, not religion. I think there is plenty of evidence to support this.

Originally posted by Carseller4
Todays rules and laws are derived from Christianity.

Wrong. Today's laws are based on Jewish, Christian, pre-Christian Rome especially, and English law. Do some more research, today's society is not as simple as you intend to frame it.

Originally posted by Carseller4
Why do left wingers condemn Christianity and cry when a bogus religion is condemned?

Disagreeing with PSEUDO Republicans and calling a spade a spade does not a left-winger make.

Calling wolves in sheep's clothing what they are and exposing their hypocricies and heresies is NOT condemning Christianity or defending Islam. We all have free will and have a right to worship in whatever way we personally see fit.

If you were actually interested in those Islamists souls, perhaps you would see a better way to draw them in - rather than throwing flames and alienating them.

There are many here and all around who CLAIM to be Christians; but who do not know the first thing about the Lord they claim to worship, what He said and what He stood for.

They would do well to go back and study their scriptures. Maybe then the truth's veil would be lifted and they could see clearly.

It's simple. Moral judgements must be made to have a civilized society.

And just remember, according to the scriptures we will be judged according to how we judge others. And compassion will be given according to how we give it.

It was Jesus who said, "he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

[edit on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

[edit on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

Just found this about Gay pedophile rewards from Allah:

Young boys
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Homosexuality was and is widely practised in Islamic countries. To please the homosexuals among his followers he promised them pre-pubescent boys in Paradise. So after committing plunder, loot, rape and murder in this life, the followers of Islam get "rewarded" by untouched virginal youths who are fresh like pearls.

The relevant verses from the Koran are:
Koran 52:24 Round about them will serve, to them, boys (handsome) as pearls well-guarded.

Koran 56:17 Round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness.

Koran 76:19 And round about them will serve boys of perpetual freshness: if thou seest them, thou wouldst think them scattered pearls..."

Well, I could make a Michael Jackson joke, but I don't think it's needed.