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Originally posted by darkelf
I believe that alot of Christmas traditions are based on pagan rituals.
Originally posted by Jakko
It is not "truth" that christianity borrowed anything from any pagan religion, there are always theories and assumptions though.
Atheists (especially the anti-christian ones) seem to really enjoy stating that christianity is based or evolved from pagan religions.
This is sad because such a subjective attitude does not allow them to actually found how what is really true, and what evidence we really have today to make such claims.
Will ye cry unto Baal and forsake the Best of creators, Allah, your Lord and Lord of your forefathers? (Quran 37:125-126)
Hubal was also the same idol which abu-Sufyan ibn-Harb addressed when he emerged victorious after the battle of Uhud, saying:
"Hubal, be thou exalted;"
To which the Prophet replied:
"Allah is more exalted and more majestic." (extracted from Sahih Bukhari Vol.5 Book 59, NUmber 375)
Originally posted by Jakko
After doing some reading into conversations and discussions between christians and islamics on the "answering christianity" and "answering islam" sites I found some interesting historical information about Allah and how the worship of Allah started, unveiling a conspiracy about who or what Allah really is, and who Islamic people have been worshipping all these years...
It is a long read so I picked out the most important part, all the background info can be found in the link.
In conclusion, we need to emphasize that these facts remain. The OT explicitly denies the Muslim assertion that the pre-Islamic Ishmaelites knew and worshiped the true God and that their only problem was that they associated other gods with him. The data conclusively shows that as the centuries unfolded the Ishmaelites forsook the God of their ancestors Abraham and Jacob, Yahweh Elohim, for the worship of some false god. The false god whom they worshiped as the true God was quite possibly Baal. The data also shows that Hubal was the high god worshiped at Mecca, which supports the view that he was the Allah of pre-Islamic times.
We started out with a quotation from the Psalms identifying the Ishmaelites as enemies of God. Even though the thesis of this paper was argued on the basis of the assumption that the Meccans are Ishmaelites the conclusion does not depend on this assumption. Most of the quotations we have cited to support our argument do not mention Ishmaelites at all.
The Biblical and historical evidence shows that the Moabites worshiped Baal. The pre-Islamic and Muslim sources show (a) that the Meccans took over the idol Hubal from the Moabites and (b) that Allah and Hubal are actually identical. Thus, whether the Meccans are Ishmaelites or not, the evidence is still strong and sufficient to conclude that Muhammad's Allah is actually Hubal, i.e. the Baal of the Moabites and thus not the God of the Bible. Muhammad incorporated the characteristics and names of various other gods into his new monotheistic message about Allah, but he apparently started the construction of Allah with Hubal, the chief god of the Meccans.
This is the link:
To me it is quite a revelation to find out that the Allah as we know it today, is actually the god that people first worshipped under the names Baal and Hubal, which is also why I think this info is supposed to be in conspiracies.
Baal, the god that many christians see as a spiritual being on the side of Satan (a demon) whos job it is to spread confusion and keep people away from christianity, appeared to have vanished in history on first sight, but now, after closer inspection, it seems baal is still around today, with just a different name, and more followers than ever.
Wether or not these christians are right may never be proven, but it sure is clear that the God of the bible is not the God of the Koran.
[edit on 9-5-2005 by Jakko]
originally posted by: khnum
Its about time this material be brought back up my studies tend to verify Allah=Baal=Beelzebub so the religion is not only the doctrine of demons but THE DEMON FULLSTOP.