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Terrorists and why people support them

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posted on May, 9 2005 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Muaddib


Actually you are delluded...and of course have a God complex issue to work on....unless you want to continue thinking your are the Neo of the Western world.....



Interestingly enough you bring up the "god complex".....funny it seems that our government exhibits more of it than any other entity in the known world.

I don't need to list examples. You know what they are already. But briefly, look at every foreign conflict we are involved in, and there's your answer.

Although most american sheep (obviously including yourself), might think otherwise....I suggest researching some points of view outside of the box (you know, take the blue pill, to reference and movie, thereby simplifying your understanding), then you might realize that...WHOA....world issues don't and never will revolve around the USA, regardless how hard our government tries to control everyone and everything.




posted on May, 9 2005 @ 04:24 PM
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Arguing with these people is pointless, for every 1 conservative on these boards there

are 200 liberals waiting to gang up on him.
You cannot be Pro-US here, Notice all the Anti-US type threads? everytime one of those

pops up, the liberals run to it, they are so over joyed about the hate mongering they just

have to get in on the action, they themselevs dont truely know why, but they still run to

it, after they figure out what the thread is about, they start digging on the net for

anything pertaining to the subject that will make there case no matter how bleak it is,

When ya do manage to see a thread thats Pro-US, you think to yourself (finaly something

good here)
Only to find yourself at the first reply trying to figure out how the guy replying managed to turn something good into something Anti-US.

You cant even insult our enemy, that would be bad, because its Racist and not PC,

god forbid you say something bad about the people, who behead the people who are trying to

lend a helping hand to them, The same people who blow themselves up, Liberals live in the

world of Terrorists arent at fault here, its ok that they blow themselves up, Because

we can blame the US for there actions!


There are few liberals here that you can actualy talk to, and not have them put there

fingers in there ears and go lalalalala lalalalala lalalalala lalalala lalalala

lalalala
The ones we got on this site are Uber-Liberals They are a completely

different breed of liberal, they care not about country, nor do they care about the men and women who fight and die die for them, All they care about is spreading hate, it doesnt

mater who or where this hate comes from, as long as its directed towards the USA

These children are very oppinionated behind a keyboard, Id like to see em share the same

terrorist loving oppinion face to face with any of the men and women in the us, armed

forces currently serving in iraq that have to deal with those savages daily.









/Puts on Liberal retardant suit, awaits for post to be disected by the swarm of Anti-US

children




[edit on 9-5-2005 by C0le]



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by C0le
Arguing with these people is pointless, for every 1 conservative on these boards there

are 200 liberals waiting to gang up on him.
You cannot be Pro-US here, Notice all the Anti-US type threads? everytime one of those


Are you taking lessons fron Ed Singer? My god man, do you actually believe that crap you just spewed? I am a Liberal AND A PATRIOT! I LOVE my country, and all its citizens. Even though I dont see eye to eye with all of them, you and them are still my fellow citizens.......


How soon we forget.



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 04:38 PM
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Cole
your anti liberal trash is frankly getting rediculous.
Liberals have done just as many good things as repuplicans or democrats.
I see lots of pro US threads on this, most of them are USA vs ***insert country***.
Or anti other countries that dont follow what the US wants.
I for one are sick of it.

You want to be pro US , thats fine with me.
You want to be anti anyone you dont like , thats fine with me.
You want to make threads about this , thats fine with me.
You want to make trash up about anyone you dont like, thats NOT fine with me.

Look up paddy ashton, he was a liberal and he was a marine who served with one of the most elite special forces units of the world and he was a patriot.

Deny ignorance.

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger
Are you taking lessons fron Ed Singer? My god man, do you actually believe that crap you just spewed? I am a Liberal AND A PATRIOT! I LOVE my country, and all its citizens. Even though I dont see eye to eye with all of them, you and them are still my fellow citizens.......


How soon we forget.


There are few liberals here that you can actualy talk to



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by C0le

There are few liberals here that you can actualy talk to


Cole, you would find there are more of us open to intelligent debate when we are not being slammed by the local Reps. Im not saying that there are no Hardcore Libs here who dont just beg for an argument, but for the most part, as long as you refrain from comments like that, I for one have no problem discussing anything with you, and have an open mind while doing it.

BTW, not only am I a Patriot, but I am a Veteran as well.



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by C0le
Arguing with these people is pointless, for every 1 conservative on these boards there.........

....................
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........../Puts on Liberal retardant suit, awaits for post to be disected by the swarm of Anti-US

children




[edit on 9-5-2005 by C0le]



1) I'm not a liberal.
2) I'm not a conservative.


Classifying views into two generalized groups is partially why our government is allowed to run our country the way they do.

I am against hopeless (yes, they are hopeless, and even our government knows it) missions of ludicracy.

You make an interesting comment however, you say something along the lines of "whenever a pro-US comment....here come the liberals..."

Reason: Neo-Con ideals cannot be rationalized, and you know it. They spew the same ideals and reasons for every "crusade" (they are, now, crusades) they undertake. Anyone else, with a clear mind, can understand the reason and ideals, and can even see justification in the "crusade." This, however, is dependant on the fact that "crusade" is JUSTIFIED.

The point is, I am not anti-american, I am not anti-military. Trust me if arabs landed in texas (or mexicans revolting -- more realistic), and were on the march to Austin, I'd be the first one out there with a shovel, guns, and anything else I could turn into a projectile.

None of it is justified. Nothing that has happened to the US was not provoked. We are not protecting ourselves from anything but the reprecussions from our own illiegal actions. If I decided to beat the snot out of my neighbor down the street for being a jerk to his neighbor, could I honestly be surprised or pissed off if he decided to knock on my door with a pack of buddies to beat the snot out of me? I'd be furious, but deep down, I probably would have expected it, and not surprised at all.

Eye for an Eye, universal creed.



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger

Originally posted by C0le

There are few liberals here that you can actualy talk to


Cole, you would find there are more of us open to intelligent debate when we are not being slammed by the local Reps. Im not saying that there are no Hardcore Libs here who dont just beg for an argument, but for the most part, as long as you refrain from comments like that, I for one have no problem discussing anything with you, and have an open mind while doing it.

BTW, not only am I a Patriot, but I am a Veteran as well.


I got no probs with liberals persay, i dont agree with them for the most part, Its the ones who consantly spew anti-us crap, this is probly a case loud screamers, low numbers, A good ole debate type thing from both sides is fine, but when certain people here, always turn it into anti-us crap it gets old, Always, Making stupid unfounded statments just to spread the hate.

The enemy leaches off this crap..



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Kidfinger

Originally posted by C0le

There are few liberals here that you can actualy talk to


Cole, you would find there are more of us open to intelligent debate when we are not being slammed by the local Reps. Im not saying that there are no Hardcore Libs here who dont just beg for an argument, but for the most part, as long as you refrain from comments like that, I for one have no problem discussing anything with you, and have an open mind while doing it.

BTW, not only am I a Patriot, but I am a Veteran as well.


OK, Im farely new here to ATS but in my short stent here Ive seen alot people who clearly support terrorism and insurgents and other bad guys.

Everytime someone someone says terrorist are bad and they kill people someone else comes to say yeah but it's all the US's fault....they are the real bad guys..

How can someone take side with a killer......whenever someone says child molestors are bad...punish them everyone agrees for the most part.......same thing

It does not matter who you like Lib or Con.....terrorist are evil men....but since they hate the US and are fighting against us...than they become good and are called freedom fighters........

Just does not make sense to me how people can take up for them



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 05:24 PM
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Sporty, the US trained those dirt terrorists just like my country did.
My country alone taught probably most rogue nations how to be butchers and murderers.....blameing just the terrorists is not the answer....acepting that our previos generations have done something wrong is part of it.



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by SportyMB

Just does not make sense to me how people can take up for them


This is where I believe people are getting confused. It is not the Iranian people we are taking sides with though the general populace of Iran are fine people I am sure. It is the foundation of this country that I am holding true. It is the American ideals of freedom of oppression by another nation that I am holding true. Have you forgotten the United States own road from oppression in its infancy? We are not judge jury and exicutioner for the world and should stop acting as such.



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 01:27 AM
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back to the question....
Terrorists and why people support them

From what i have seen posted here, the majority don't support terrorism in any way or form. Some have made them out to be so called freedom Fighters. We know this is wrong from all the information we have seen.
I admit that the media can be bias most of the time, but it only takes someone with an ounce of common sense to see who the terrorists are.

Hacking a persons head off to make a statement to the Western World is barbaric, especially when these people are there to help. OK, most have gone to Iraq for the money and they knew the risks. That still doesn't excuse the be headings by these so called freedom fighters.

Take a look through the news archives of any news channel (including the Arab ones too) and you will see atrocities committed by the very same people who are trying to undermine the coalition forces. When the coalition retaliates, we hear the pro freedom fighters complaining about unjust killings etc. You never seem to hear them complaining when they take out their own people by suicide bombs and the like.

Supporting terrorism, to me is absolutely ludicrous. You are supporting nothing more than just cowardly people who are brain washed into thinking that they will become martyrs and go on to live a happy after life with their god.

For the most part, the soldiers out in Iraq are doing a damn fine job, but the terrorist supporters love nothing more than to see them killed.

Some of the comments made in this thread have been very intense to say the least. Some could be construed as nearly racist. It all depends on how you read things. Some comments have come from people who support terrorism, yet these same people actually live in the western world and have a better life here. Yet they still have the audacity to complain about the Governments of the country they live in, and the way they are treated etc.

There can be no just cause for supporting terrorism. Terrorists can be summed up in two words, "cowards" and "murderers".

[edit on 03/12/04 by Bikereddie]



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by C0le
Making stupid unfounded statments just to spread the hate.

The enemy leaches off this crap..


Cole, I completly agree with this statement, as long as you include both major parties in this accusation. We have nuts on both sides of the fence trying to tell us what is best for this and that. But what it all boils down to is a couple of kids who just like to argue and stir up trouble.



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 12:08 PM
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Hmmmmmmmmmmm
its gone very quiet in the World of Syria Sister today.



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 12:23 PM
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Terrorists have killed more Iraqis than American soldiers have killed. Every day they blow up more of their own countrymen.

[edit on 5-10-2005 by groingrinder]



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by afterdark
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Although most american sheep (obviously including yourself), might think otherwise....I suggest researching some points of view outside of the box (you know, take the blue pill, to reference and movie, thereby simplifying your understanding), then you might realize that...WHOA....world issues don't and never will revolve around the USA, regardless how hard our government tries to control everyone and everything.


OMG... YOU ARE SO RIGHT.... THEY ARE TRYING TO CONTROL ME.... MASTER TELL ME WHAT I MUST DO.......


People like you crack me up...keep smoking whatever it is that you are smoking.... WHERE IS NEO WHEN WE NEED HIM....... NEOOOOO!!!!!!!! COME AND SAVE US......


You are the enlightened one huh?...and you are here to illuminate the masses....


I just can't believe some people keep coming up with this BS...thinking they are better than anyone else, and awakened to something only they think they know.... in other words dellusions...

I do believe that we are more than just physical bodies, but all this BS is just completly out of whack..... Keep taking those pills btw....you need them....



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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You fail to understand Cole.

There is a global cultural war going on, unfortunately the US Right and the Islamist fanatics are on the same side, even if they don't see it.

It's a war between modernity and medievalism, between advocates of liberty and pluralism and advocates of theocratic repression and fascism. The Islamic fascists in the Mideast, and the Reconstructionist fascists in the West both understand the unifying power of war on otherwise divided societies. They both understand that spreading fear and hatred of the alien "enemies" on the other side of the world is a powerful means for seizing political control at home.

They both fan the flames of nationalism and religious "holy war" at every opportunity, in order to enhance their own political power.

And any of us who want real democracy, pluralism, the rule of law - we have to fight them both. Before they get the apocalyptic global war they are trying to ignite.



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 06:07 PM
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Bumping this thread for some more topical enlightenment from Syrian Sister



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 06:40 PM
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I think there are many reasons terrorism has been used and supported. Most of them being idealogical, some of them being legitimate resistances to an oppressive regime.

One reason, which I think is most prevalent today, is desperation. Or at least the perception that one is desperate. This desperation, in most cases, has been fueled by deliberate disinformation in the form of propaganda. If your leaders tell you that you are more desperate than you actually are, then you will tend to believe them. Also, this propaganda is hate-filled, based on information that in most cases is not true. The Madrasas, for example, that tell the children that western civilization is a manifestation of the Great Satan on Earth, and that we all need to be killed in the name of one God or another. In N. Korea, the children were taught in schools that western missionaries were cannibals and that they killed the children with the needles that held vaccinations, and then ate them.

I liken these terrorist to gangs, in that they primarily recruit angry youth, with high expectations for themselves in a lofty war against great adversity. That adversity being whatever big dog they can find. Simple anarchists. Then there are the numerous legitimate greivances people hold against the United States and other nations for transgressions of the past. The problem is, all the peoples of the world have at one time engaged in atrocities. But no one wants to hold themselves accountable for their mistakes, only punish others for theirs. Such is the way of the world.

I have had the opportunity to hang out with some people that tend to side with the terrorists (these people are Americans), and for the most part, they are just malcontents. These are the same kind of people that would join gangs if they had balls, or terrorist organizations if they weren't stark white. They tend to have no real knowledge of what they are saying or preaching, and are mostly ineffectual in their own lives, because they spend too much time complaining about things and do nothing about it. Oh, and it's always someone else's fault with these people, too. That is a common trait.

Although I tend to disagree with them for the most part, I have respect for the people who agree with the greivances that our self-proclaimed enemies have listed, and are doing something within the system to correct them. They are at least doing it in a productive, non-violent way.

My respect lies with the people who are doing something within the system about the things here in America that we actually do need to be concerned with! We've got some problems, and unless these problems are dealt with correctly, we're going to see Americans turning into terrorists. Already we see militias forming themselves to secure our borders, where our government has failed, somewhat purposefully, it seems. Is this a pattern yet? Are we to see a trend of groups of Americans who feel failed by their government and taking it upon themselves to correct these failings? And when these groups turn into MORE militant militias, with more people, guns, and ammo, and begin to use them, will WE support them, or fight against them as in the war on terrorism?



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 06:53 PM
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Excellent post Delta


You mention gangs that are starting off to protect the borders etc, because the Government has failed in its job of policing these areas. I can understand why this is happening.

But in the same breath , could this not lead to some kind of vigilantism?

The terrorists that are predominant in Iraq and elsewhere, are like you say, young people with no real goals in life. They are brainwashed so to speak, or possibly coerced into doing things that they would not normally do by the "elders" who, to them are the ones in control of things. After all, they are only going to believe what is said to them by these "elders" or the ones in charge.

Having said all that, i still cannot believe that people actually support these groups who are intent on killing in the name of their God. We hear them chant that whenever we see footage taken by them.

[edit on 03/12/04 by Bikereddie]




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