if you want to see the vine-covered enterance of the Tomb, google it. It's a Tero Card looking thing.

To get some downloadable movies about The Order Of The Skull & Bones, or other conspiracy footage for free, I recommend www.yirmeyahureview.com & follow the links at the bottom too!

Originally posted by sebatwerk
I do have links to this information, but they are at home. I will post them as soon as I get home from work. Don't forget that the fraternity has been infiltrated by a reporter who exposed the rituals and stuff (as well as pictures of their "crypt", including a room with license pllates all over the walls ). Also several former Bonesmen, frustrated with some things about the frat, decided to expose this stuff to a Yale newspaper reporter.

Correction: I do not have links to the actual EXPOSES and stuff of the Skull and Bones, just links to an article which talks about the reporter that infiltrated them. This article also debunks the major myths about the fraternity, and basically states everything I said in my previous post.

Just like I would not post the rituals and secrets of my own fraternity, I would not do the same to another.

Originally posted by Enigmatic Debris

What gets me is, supposedly in the tomb, all time (watches, clocks, ect.) are moved adead 5 minutes.

They call our time (-5 min.) "barbarian time" sounds like they don't think very highly of me or my time system. Is this symbolic that they are always one step ahead of us, as far as technology/knowledge goes?

I was wondering if anyone know ANY Skull & bones members names (as in their tomb names)? I know George Bush's is "Temporary", but that's only one, and there have been many.

An excellent excellent analysis.

thankyou for the information

these are the only bonesmen who's nick names i could find.


William Howard Taft: Magog
F. O. Matthiessen: Little Devil
Averell Harriman: Thor
Henry Luce: Baal
Briton Hadden: Caliban
Archibald MacLeish: Gigadibs
McGeorge Bundy: Odin
Potter Stewart: Crappo
William F. Buckley: Cheevy
Anson Phelps Stokes: Achilles
Reuben Holden: McQuilp
Charles Seymour: Machiavelli
Donald Ogden Stewart: Hellbender
George W. Bush: Temporary

lol, his nick name was crappo!

ANd georgy boys one was "temporary" , i guess they where hoping he wouldn't stick around for long.

What was interesting is the one called MAgog .... is this a refrence to the gog and magog?

yes this is what i found.

"On an initiates first day in Bones they are assigned a name, which they will be known as for the rest of their life. Names that are regularly used are: Magog, which is assigned to the initiate with the most experience with the opposite sex; Gog, which is assigned to the least sexually experienced; Long Devil, for the tallest; Boaz; for varsity American football captains; and Little Devil for the shortest. Bonesmen have often assumed names of mythological and legendary figures."

happened... or is it something that is going to happen?

Are they the same as the Hajouj and Majoj in islam?

I have this theory that they are the aliens.

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus

"Ezekiel 25:17
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the selfish, and the tyrrany of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name charity and good will, shepards the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengange and furious anger, those who attempt to poision, and destroy my brothers, and you will know my name is the lord! When I lay my vengeance on thee."

Ezekiel 25:17 actually reads: "And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."

For some context here is verses 15 to 17: "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred;
Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast.
And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."

Ok, carry on

Steve



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sorry, double post

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Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by Eyeofhorus
I guess you're right, I really wouldn't want people prying into my buisness. but...

It is a question of public scrutiny. I beleive that these peole have accepted this job, and that I as well as you seb are thier interviewers, as well as thier boss. They are public servants. We pay them. If a compay has the right to make me take a drug test and inquire about a criminal past, then why cant I have the ability to question a president's devotion to his country? As well as veify and completely check his background. After all this isn't a grocery store, this is America, take your gvernment seriously. It was created by the people for the people, and you seem to demonstrate that we should think otherwise.

People hide thier greatest, and deepest secrets far away from the public eye, in private, personal settings, with trusted people only.

A drug test and a criminal background check are acceptable because they WOULD affect the way a person does their job. But if you're telling me that someone has to answer too you about what they do ON THEIR OWN TIME INN A PRIVATE CLUB, you're nuts. You don't want your employer intruding in YOUR private life, do you? Your employer can claim everything you just did, but it's illegal for a reason. Just like sexual preference and religion can't be discriminated against. So don't be a hypocrite.

Well, sorry to join this thread so late...but I just had to add my $0.02!

Again, I think Sabatwerk's opinion is a bit off. Some jobs (especially the important ones) require close scrutiny- even going beyond the obligatory 'pee test' & criminal background check. That may all that is needed to qualify for a job a "Home Depot" or "Wal-Mart" etc... But usually most jobs that require a more substantial background check to obtain employment accompanying the appropriate security clearance, quite a bit beyond that cursory check is done.
Rest assured, a more expansive background check gathers nearly every aspect of an individuals life and is scrutenized in minute detail. The more critiacl the job & required clearance, the greater scrutiny. Friends, family & aquaintances are checked. Past school teachers, college professors are consulted. Interviews are done. Your lifestyle, habits, income & assets are explored. Known weaknesses within your family in regard to mental illnesses & physical health are noted. Also included under scrutiny- are your influances, associations & fraternities.
In short, a detailed dossier is created & filed. Nothing in your life is too private to be investigated before a clearance is granted.
Hell...most of us already have a dossier on file anyway in some form...just so that in case a clearance may be needed for a possible job that you may qualify for (or for some reason you become suspicious of something & information about you gets scrutenized by some agency) - the investigation goes quickly before it is granted.

Depending on the job that you do, you may also have to be 'bonded' & a similar background check done- just maybe not as detailed.

I'm with you, Eyeofhourus-

Having been retired from military service as a decorated vet myself...I can tell you that my job required me to have at least a 'secret' clearance at a minimum just to be able to keep my MOS valid (if my clearance somehow lapsed, I could no longer perform my job & would be forced to 'reclass' to a secondary MOS). More than a few occasions, some of my duties required me to have a much higher clearance beyond the standard 'secret' I held.

Anyway...jobs that often serve the public in some capacity have requirements to be sure that the canidate is both qualified & a person of suitable character. I believe this process of scuriny by 'the public' that elects its officials shouldn't be much different than an official inquiry for their character- no detail in thier life should be off limits...even if they are 'bonesman', or Masons. Being a member of a private club should be included as information concerning a canidates character & agenda, and who & what they represent. A canidates associations should be judged- I want to know what 'interests' & influances they might represent. I want to know about thier character.

...And to me- being a 'Bonesman', Mason, Trilateral member, CFR member, "Grover", "Bilderburger"...etc.. does not nessesarilly represent the interests of the people they are supposed to represent- thier interests are elsewhere. A public servant should represent the citizens first & if they don't represent the citizens and our constitution... that, my friends is a serious character flaw.
Unfortunetly, most of our choices for canidates follow interests other than the citizens they are supposed to represent- right down to the local level.

The obscuring of facts of our public officials & thier agencies dubious interests & agendas to make it more 'palateable to the masses' is the heart of what would constitute conspiracy.
In my opinion, the path that our country (or the world for that matter) is headed is not positive for the futures of all concerned. Which both scares me & pisses me off.

How we go about changing this trend is another matter...
T.S.

Originally posted by SkiFreak
Again, I think Sabatwerk's opinion is a bit off. Some jobs (especially the important ones) require close scrutiny- even going beyond the obligatory 'pee test' & criminal background check. That may all that is needed to qualify for a job a "Home Depot" or "Wal-Mart" etc... But usually most jobs that require a more substantial background check to obtain employment accompanying the appropriate security clearance, quite a bit beyond that cursory check is done.
Rest assured, a more expansive background check gathers nearly every aspect of an individuals life and is scrutenized in minute detail. The more critiacl the job & required clearance, the greater scrutiny. Friends, family & aquaintances are checked. Past school teachers, college professors are consulted. Interviews are done. Your lifestyle, habits, income & assets are explored. Known weaknesses within your family in regard to mental illnesses & physical health are noted. Also included under scrutiny- are your influances, associations & fraternities.

That is absolutely untrue. Background checks are only able to verify whatever is a matter of public record. It is ILLEGAL for an employer to intrude upon your PRIVATE LIFE. I cannot be discriminated by my fraternal associations, personal friendships or private dealings, just like I cannot be discriminated by my religion or sexual preference.

Great research. Its way too long. Make your points first, then back it up with the facts you have uncovered..

Dallas

Originally posted by sebatwerk

That is absolutely untrue. Background checks are only able to verify whatever is a matter of public record. It is ILLEGAL for an employer to intrude upon your PRIVATE LIFE. I cannot be discriminated by my fraternal associations, personal friendships or private dealings, just like I cannot be discriminated by my religion or sexual preference.

Like it or not, it can & does happen- law or not. I guess that would depend upon just who your prospective employer may be & the purpose of the job and the required character of the person needed to fill it.
You are right...it would be a violation of your privacy for disclosure of your private associations when it seemingly has absolutely nothing to do with your career.

Whether an association with any fraternity could be an advantage to a career...I guess that would depend upon the nature of the fraternity & the employment you seek.

If you were (...and maybe you are anyway??) in a position to hire prospects to an open postion, and there were several equally qualified applicants that you interviewed but one in particular was a member of your masonic lodge with similar outside interests...who would YOU hire?
Wouldn't that be somewhat biased & discriminatory? Just who would report this violation & then enforce it?
If the same person that you hired (a mason) was eligable for promotion later on, would they get some help from you in order to achieve it?

Just because during an interview for a job the 'private information' isn't disclosed does not mean that the desired info won't be seeked out in an investigation if it is warented.
Suppose the applicants you interviewed that particular information about their fraternal associations was not disclosed. If the information was available to you from intensive background checks- thier masonic associations (& other activities), would you use the info if it was available to you before you made a final decision?

You know that it would matter!

People with similar goals, aspirations, & agendas DO stick together... whether thier personal business is private or not.
T.S.

Skepticoverlord: Stop allowing the more bitter responses from being removed. Bush is Bush and we have some privilidges too.. to write what is felt. I hope this wing has not been infiltrated by HS buffs just to NOT allow thoughts either LEFT or RIGHT?

Dallas

What if a secret society, gained enough financial strength or political power, that they were able to influence politics to suit thier views? Wouldn't that be opressive of the citizens of a free country? Do the views of a secret society reflect the majority view?

Revolutionaries creted a government, to avoid corruption, caused by the church. Power, and money corrupt, plain and simple. When you have power, you want more, and the more control the better.

Secret societies, are just that, and allthough anyone can join that is no excuse to think that they are harmless. Everyone does not join these societies. Therfore allowing our government to be polluted by ANY, part of these socieites, is not democratically oriented.

Seb, you seem to think that there is no problem with having two candidates from the same "fraternity," i strongly disagree. Democracy is not about having two "cookie cutter" candidates, who belonged to the same Secret society, and have the same values. That is the truth. Values are huge in democracy, and both candidates uphold the same values, and yet they seem totally different. It is an illusion, a grand facade. If the fraternity is no big deal, why not fill people in. Or allow an outside source to investigate, and write a report, not detailing the rituals or secrets of the fraternity, but rather if the american people have any reason to be suspicious. Just one person. That's it, you can even make them sign a waiver saying that they will not publish any ritual material, or reveal secrets.

Democracy: the kinder, gentler, monarchy.

Originally posted by SkiFreak
People with similar goals, aspirations, & agendas DO stick together... whether thier personal business is private or not.

That is correct, but not the point that I was making. We are discussing background checks and intrusions into the private matters of a citizen for employment purposes. I was not talking about favoritism.