"since Stalin eliminated their agents, "


do you know this from personal experience, or did you find it on a website ?

So did you guys stop to think...

Since the Cold War was fake:
Why did the military go crazy building bunkers and underground bases?

Why are they relocating the CIA to Colorado?

Why is NASA going to have an impact with an asteroid (first ever) in Mars orbit, right around July 4?

Why not get to photographingthe fact that Pluto and Charon orbit in such an artificial manner that they both keep the same face towards each other at all times (it would be like the moon always looking down at Africa, but more complicated).

Why not raise awareness of the Earth's companion satellite, Kreitna?

Why, indeed, does NASA keep the most interesting things at such a low profile, while never seemingly directing their budget in the direction of public interests!

Originally posted by akilles
So did you guys stop to think...

Since the Cold War was fake:
Why did the military go crazy building bunkers and underground bases?

Why are they relocating the CIA to Colorado?

Why is NASA going to have an impact with an asteroid (first ever) in Mars orbit, right around July 4?

Why not get to photographingthe fact that Pluto and Charon orbit in such an artificial manner that they both keep the same face towards each other at all times (it would be like the moon always looking down at Africa, but more complicated).

Why not raise awareness of the Earth's companion satellite, Kreitna?

Why, indeed, does NASA keep the most interesting things at such a low profile, while never seemingly directing their budget in the direction of public interests!

do you have any actual sources or are you just making # up? oh and bob's geocities page doesn't count.

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Just a point in reference to Roosevelt. He did not revolutionize the American way of life; he continued the attack against the American way of life, further separating it from how it was meant to be...His socialistic actions in the attempt to salvage the economy harmed the countries character in the long run

That's an interesting view, indeed. It seems to me that it was FDR's "socialistic actions", i.e., the New Deal, that actually saved America. The Great Depression, which was the natural result of unrestricted laissez-faire capitalism, left a quarter of the population unemployed and hungry. FDR's New Deal temporarily drove up the deficit, but put people back to work, and gave them wages to reinvest in the economy. This reinvestment spurred business, and eventually levelled out. Without the New Deal, I have no doubt that conditions would have gotten so bad in the US that a Communist revolution would have occured, just as predicted by Karl Marx. Furthermore, the New Deal introduced child labor laws, minimum wage, and other important programs that elevate the dignity of the individual over the blind forces of materialism and profit-grabbing in laissez-faire economics.

secondly, I also strongly disagree with your assertion that FDR moved America away from what it was "meant to be." We cannot compare the agricultural-based economy of our forefathers with the industrial economy of the early 20th century: they are, in effect, apples and oranges.

Lastly, even though you yourself did not explicitly state this, many conservatives charge FDR with introducing "socialism" into the US. Those who make such a charge show little understanding of socialism. In fact, even if all of FDR's programs were still in effect, the USA would still remain the least socialistic nation in the world. It isn't difficult for me to understand why some Europeans consider us barbarians because we do not have a universal free health care system, but it is difficult for me to understand why some conservatives are perplexed by the way the rest of the world sees us.

Aah, that is great to see people have an open mind.

Yeah, Bob's Geocities page...
"do you have any actual sources or are you just making up? "

You are just asking if any one came to the SAME CONCLUSIONS as me, aren't you? Because yes, any one can see the proof for themselves, but come to markedly different conclusions (mainly through ignoring one or another part of the 'puzzle').

Pluto and Charon's orbit, where they face each other. Well documented. You know how to use Google, so I will let you exercise that talent.

Kreitna, the Earth's strange companion, that shares an orbit with the Earth, and yet, at its closest point to the Earth, it REVERSES direction, and starts heading further away again. This was discovered in the 90s, which is strange for an asteroid with a regular period that brings it close to the Earth (but does serve to prove a point about how little we know about space).

Just search Kreitna, and horseshoe, I'm sure they will be able to explain the strange orbit further.

Bunkers being built in the mountainside, well, I don't think this is such a well-publicized fact, but anything that was built to survive 'nuclear attack'
are still being planned to be used for something. Don't know how I could prove this to you, or how it would matter.

The CIA moving to Colorado is another publicized fact, just announced recently (but seen coming by some...)

Which leaves us with an Astrologist suing NASA (the person is in Russia, so its a strange lawsuit), saying NASA is interfering with her occupation of choice, that they will be 'disrupting Nature's perfect harmony' by attempting to collide with an asteroid on July 4.

And you know, on Earth as it is in Heaven. So why are they literally causing a massive explosion in space, right in Mars (famous for war among astrologers) orbit (you can confirm this as well, on NASA's site), and why is it going to happen on July 4?

So, no, it is you who has been visiting the 'right' pages for too long. You, not I, who has wandered from the path.

Originally posted by akilles
You are just asking if any one came to the SAME CONCLUSIONS as me, aren't you? Because yes, any one can see the proof for themselves, but come to markedly different conclusions (mainly through ignoring one or another part of the 'puzzle').

Actually, no. We are asking what led YOU to believe these things. Unless you are making these claims up, which you're probably not, then your beliefs should be based on some kind of evidence of what you say. We would like to see this for ourselves.

Pluto and Charon's orbit, where they face each other. Well documented. You know how to use Google, so I will let you exercise that talent.

We have always posted links of our claims for you, I suggest you do the same. Otherwise, it just looks like a bad excuse for not being able to produce such links.

The CIA moving to Colorado is another publicized fact, just announced recently (but seen coming by some...)

Again, where did you get this information? I have not heard of such a thing, can you please point me to a solid source of information?

So why are they literally causing a massive explosion in space, right in Mars (famous for war among astrologers) orbit (you can confirm this as well, on NASA's site...

Please point us to the page! Don't just say it's available there. We cannot take your word for it. You need to be clear and concise, so please provide DIRECT links to the sources which you mention.

Unless you begin providing direct sources from which you gather and compile your beliefs, your word means zilch.

Originally posted by akilles
That is what makes it so frustrating, sebatwerk.

I am not trying to prove anything. I am asking people to think. The one thing they are most reluctant to do. If I did provide links, would any one care?

Because it is very hard, in a conspiracy forum, to believe things without having anything to go off of. 95% of anything posted here on ATS isn't even worth wasting time on, and you know that! THAT'S why we need some kind of material... THAT'S why we need to know where you're coming from.

Originally posted by MattMarriott
The illuminati plans (Prescott Bush, Chamberlain and Churchill, Roosevelt, the French government, the german illuminati behind Hitler)

I disagree with Roosevelt being a willing / conscious participant. Teddy was one of the first presidents to start cracking down on large corporations. And FDR warned us about the military industrial complex as it was beginning.