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May 8, 1945 - the bloodiest conspiracy ever ended with an illuminati defeat, 60 years ago

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posted on May, 8 2005 @ 03:09 PM
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The illuminati plans (Prescott Bush, Chamberlain and Churchill, Roosevelt, the French government, the german illuminati behind Hitler) were to use the German Reich
- to take over the Soviet Union, that had unexpectedly escaped their control, since Stalin eliminated their agents,
-while letting them exterminate the Jews.

At the end there would be a few million dead but also the conclusion of the illuminati dream of one world government.

Despite 50 million dead, May 8, 1945 remains the day sealing the battle the illuminati lost.

Again, this photo says it all
www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on May, 8 2005 @ 05:18 PM
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LOL!!!!



You ought to write comedy professionally! You are very good.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 06:09 PM
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Slippery word play but how can I take your word for it?



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 06:55 PM
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Okay, how does Roosevelt fit in as a leader of the illuminati? Roosevelt wanted to go to war against the Nazi's years before but the rest of the America. If anything, I have read conspiracies that he allowed Pearl Harbor to happen just so that the American public would get behind the idea of going to war. If you say that Roosevelt is part of the illuminati because his bloodline connects him with other powerful people that is stupid. A person is not evil because they have bad relatives. He let the Germans exterminate the handicap and the Jews? This guy knew discrimination. He had polio.

Roosevelt lifted the U.S. out of economic despair and revolutionized the American way of life. He created Social Security, heavier taxes on the wealthy, new controls over banks and public utilities, and an enormous work relief program for the unemployed. I don’t think an American president ever entered office is a harder time in American history.

I really wish that you would start providing hard evidence with your posts instead of making general slanderous statements. If you have big news great, but lets start seeing some proof. You continue to selfishly misrepresent people and history in every one of your posts.

Great Roosevelt Quotations for those who care:

"It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something."

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little."

"We cannot always build the future for our youth, but we can build our youth for the future."

"First of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself - nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

"The only limit to our realization of tomorrow will be our doubts of today."

"Men are not prisoners of fate, but only prisoners of their own minds."

"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."

"In the truest sense, freedom cannot be bestowed; it must be achieved."



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:02 PM
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One thing. I disagree that the battle was lost on May 8, 1945.


The Cold War was faked, by GIVING nuclear technology to the Soviets, and that certainly didn't happen by Stalin eliminating some Illuminati agents.




And Infinite, as for Hitler being against the Illuminati, I guess you really have no concept of how to play both sides?



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 09:45 PM
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zerotime



Roosevelt lifted the U.S. out of economic despair and revolutionized the American way of life. He created Social Security, heavier taxes on the wealthy, new controls over banks and public utilities, and an enormous work relief program for the unemployed. I don’t think an American president ever entered office is a harder time in American history.



Roosevelt sold the U.S. out during the Yalta Conference. He let Stalin take the entire "Soviet Block" therefore causing a multitude of negative consequences. Not only that, but all of his programs, except for social security, have beed deemed unconstitutional and have been taken away. He created a path for abusing executive order.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 10:57 PM
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The sellout agreement for Yalta is weak. Russia was taking Eastern Europe with a treaty or with force - there wasn't going to be any other options. Russia had 12 million soldiers ready to wage war. There probably would have been no Yalta if America had just made the push to Berlin, but America knew exactly what that push meant. It meant that thousands and thousands of more tired US soldiers were going to die so when Russia stepped up no one argued. With hindsight the best deals were obviously not made at Yalta, but at the time most believed that the United Nations would be to handle the Soviets. I’m sure that Roosevelt was also not in the best shape at the time. If you look at photos from that time he did not look very healthy and he would die only a few months later.


As for Roosevelt’s plans being voted unconstitutional. His main opponents were big business men, wallstreet and bankers. Those power people argued against social security and the Fair Labor Standards Act, which banned child labor and set a minimum wage calling it unconstitutional. Of course, we laugh at that now but they wanted everything Roosevelt did labeled unconstitutional. It would seem that Roosevelt was if anything was against the illuminati. And like I said the US was in a desperate time, some of the programs worked and some did not work, but all the programs showed a revolutionary way of thinking.

Roosevelt was only human. No one should expect him to be perfect, but to say that because he made mistakes therefore that makes him a leader of the illuminati is an absolute joke.



[edit on 8-5-2005 by zerotime]



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 11:28 PM
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Just a point in reference to Roosevelt. He did not revolutionize the American way of life; he continued the attack against the American way of life, further separating it from how it was meant to be.

The war is what gave the economy the appearance of being better.

His socialistic actions in the attempt to salvage the economy harmed the countries character in the long run and it has been reported that in his final days, he expressed this very sentiment. This being the case, I feel he was more of a patsy than a NWO member. Maybe he was a NWO member who had regrets during his final days, I don't know.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by MattMarriott

Again, this photo says it all
www.abovetopsecret.com...


How does the photo in any way relate to what you wrote ?



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 12:23 AM
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All of these programs put in place by Roosevelt helped the common man from being taken advantage of in the workplace. Not sure how these programs were an attack on the American way of life and they do seem pretty revolutionary.

The programs:

Emergency Banking Act/Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC):
On March 6, 1993 he shut down all of the banks in the nation and forced Congress to pass the Emergency Banking Act which gave the government the opportunity to inspect the health of all banks. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) was formed by Congress to insure deposits up to $5000.These measures reestablished American faith in banks. Americans were no longer scared that they would lose all of their savings in a bank failure. Government inspectors found that most banks were healthy, and two-thirds were allowed to open soon after. After reopening, deposits had exceeded withdrawals.

Federal Emergency Relief Administration (FERA):
Led by Harry Hopkins, a former social worker, this agency sent funds to depleting local relief agencies. Within two hours, $5 million were given out. Mr. Hopkins believed that men should be put to work and not be given charity. His program also funded public work programs. Revitalized many deteriorating relief programs.

Civil Works Administration (CWA):
This public work program gave the unemployed jobs building or repairing roads, parks, airports, etc. The CWA provided a psychological and physical boost to its 4 million workers.

Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC):
This environmental program put 2.5 million unmarried men to work maintaining and restoring forests, beaches, and parks. Workers earned only $1 a day but received free board and job training. From 1934 to 1937, this program funded similar programs for 8,500 women. The CCC taught the men and women of America how to live independently, thus, increasing their self esteem.

Indian Reorganization Act of 1934:
This act ended the sale of tribal lands and restored ownership of unallocated lands to Native American groups.

National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA) of June 1933:
The decline in the industrial prices in 1930s caused business failures and unemployment. The NIRA was formed in order to boost the declining prices, helping businesses and workers. The NIRA also allowed trade associations in many industries to write codes regulating wages, working conditions, production, and prices. It also set a minimum wage.

Public Works Association (PWA):
The PWA launched projects such as the Grand Coulee Dam on the Columbia River.

Federal Securities Act of May 1993/ Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC):
This act required full disclosure of information on stocks being sold. The SEC regulated the stock market. Congress also gave the Federal Reserve Board the power to regulate the purchase of stock on margin.

Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938:
This banned child labor and set a minimum wage.

Social Security Act:
This act established a system that provided old-age pensions for workers, survivors benefits for victims of industrial accidents, unemployment insurance, and aid for defendant mothers and children, the blind and physically disabled.



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 01:24 AM
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Passing Law can only count as working FOR the Illuminati.

It is a double-edged sword, every piece of legislation. It restricts as much as it enables.

Why is a LAW needed to outlaw child labor? Seems every family would WANT to keep their children from working, isn't it enough to create a society where a child working is NEVER necessary, but still all the while 'legal'?

Again, the nuclear weapon was GIVEN to the Soviet Union. It is a complicated tale, and it must be treated as such. Realize the level of complicity needed, and you will see why the book 1984 was released the year that the Soviet Union announced it was an 'opposing' power to the United States (1949)



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by akilles
The Cold War was faked, by GIVING nuclear technology to the Soviets, and that certainly didn't happen by Stalin eliminating some Illuminati agents.


I don't care if someone "gave" the Soviets nuclear technology, what I'd like to know, is who gave it to the French? I mean, who needs an 0-27 team reminding the world they've got the "big one?"

There's a conspiracy buried under that particular cream sauce.

Dismissed.



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by akilles
Passing Law can only count as working FOR the Illuminati.

It is a double-edged sword, every piece of legislation. It restricts as much as it enables.

Why is a LAW needed to outlaw child labor? Seems every family would WANT to keep their children from working, isn't it enough to create a society where a child working is NEVER necessary, but still all the while 'legal'?
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What you are talking about is a romantic dream of a perfect world. You can say the same for every law. Why make a law against murder? In the perfect world we would not murder each other. It is a nice dream but it is not reality. Laws are created to protect the innocent. Part of the problem is that you "assume" too much. You assume that a family will always want the best for their children. You assume that a society with no laws will automatically do what is best for their people. You assume that if there was no law against child labor that it would not happen today. All are false. I really shouldn't have to write in defense of child labor laws. Do some searches and find out what it was like for children in the early 1900's.


[edit on 9-5-2005 by zerotime]



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 03:23 AM
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The French were given nukes when the US was disallowed from further testing.

They proceeded to test a nuke on the EXACT opposite (same hemisphere) side of the world, from the Great Pyramid. Just for fun.

But really, there is nothing to them exploding all these nukes on the 33 parallel.

Especially not the first 3. No significance there.


Children were banned from working, but the only difference that made was FORCING women into the work force. 'War time' economy, 'doing their part'', ie. helping kill people.

Imagine if women were on a united front to "Bring our boys home". The Politicians would be forced to crumble, but women have always been sufficiently occupied with Feminism to prevent this from happening.



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 07:19 AM
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Back on topic.

The Nazi's were installed by the Illuminati through the Thule Society and WW2 happend for two main reasons reason, (1) to create the UN and re-shape the world how they wanted (the world is like putty after wars) & (2) to gain the excuse needed to create the state of Isreal (an extension of the US).

The Illuminati did not loose atall... the outcome was exactly how they wanted.

Do you seriously think their aims were to create a New World Order via a single country against the whole world? No no, their aims were alot subtler than that.

Roosvelt was Illuminati or was a puppet to them.... all people in power are.

So basicly, WW2 was just another stepping stone towards the New World Order, albeit a very large one.



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Driver
Do you seriously think their aims were to create a New World Order via a single country against the whole world? No no, their aims were alot subtler than that.

Roosvelt was Illuminati or was a puppet to them.... all people in power are.

So basicly, WW2 was just another stepping stone towards the New World Order, albeit a very large one.


It's real easy to make up these fairy tales AFTER the fact, isn't it Driver? The fact of the matter is that you know NOTHINg because you could never PREDICT these events. You talk like you think you know quite a bit, but it's just your imiagination taking events that already occurred and weaving an intricate story around them.

When you begin to PREDICT the next moves of the various governing bodies, THEN maybe you'll have some sort of credibility.



posted on May, 9 2005 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by Driver
Back on topic.

The Nazi's were installed by the Illuminati through the Thule Society and WW2 happend for two main reasons reason, (1) to create the UN and re-shape the world how they wanted (the world is like putty after wars) & (2) to gain the excuse needed to create the state of Isreal (an extension of the US).

The Illuminati did not loose atall... the outcome was exactly how they wanted.

Do you seriously think their aims were to create a New World Order via a single country against the whole world? No no, their aims were alot subtler than that.

Roosvelt was Illuminati or was a puppet to them.... all people in power are.

This is contradictory with teh first statement you made. Who can object to the world's powers creating things like the UN? They had already created the League, was that an illuminati attempt also? Why did it fail if all the leaders are pawns/members? These illuminati are sure taking a long time to 'conquer the world'. Seems like propping up the nazis so that they can be defeated, just to have a war that'd make people support the UN (why wouldn't they anyway?) is a roundabout way. Especially considering tha tthe 'big fear' over the UN and stuff like it is that its an internationalist communist tool to establish the NWO, and you're saying the illuminati created teh communists also.
I mean, why make the things that result in the opposition to that whcih you want? Why make wwii and wwi if you want globalization? Global Trade has only recently gotten back up to WWI levels, so why have gone thru these wars to destroy the stuff that you are using to establish the NWO, in order to establish the NWO? It makes no sense.
A panic over the illuminati and the NWO might've made sense prior to the great war, but not after it, that sort of pulled the rug out from under the whole idea. After that, it just becomes a 'formless sinister cabal' thats doing all sorts of nonsensical things to get nowhere nearer any sort of goal. It becomes a 'weak theory' that has to be insulated from scrutiny and refutation, rather than a strong one that can be subjected to such attempts.



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 07:35 AM
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Originally posted by Driver
WW2 happend for two main reasons reason,
(1) to ... re-shape the world how they [illuminati] wanted
(2) to gain the excuse needed to create the state of Isreal (an extension of the US).


Are you a psy-op or JUST an extremely brainwashed individual?

Note on JUST: not that peope think I'm implying that pysops are NOT extremely brainwashed individuals.



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 08:01 AM
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lol I'm brainwashed for saying WW2 was instigated for the sole purpose of advancing the globalization/NWO agenda?

If you know anything about how they work, you'd know WW2 and infact, all wars are instigated by them to advance their agendas.

The world is like putty after wars... they can shape it and change it and manipulate it how ever they want.


I mean, why make the things that result in the opposition to that whcih you want? Why make wwii and wwi if you want globalization? Global Trade has only recently gotten back up to WWI levels, so why have gone thru these wars to destroy the stuff that you are using to establish the NWO, in order to establish the NWO? It makes no sense.


Well you obviously have yet to understand how the Illuminati operate.

They dont care who wins or looses becuase the Illuminati own all sides in a war to gurantee that the end result is always what they want no matter who wins/looses.


Why make wwii and wwi if you want globalization? Global Trade has only recently gotten back up to WWI levels, so why have gone thru these wars to destroy the stuff that you are using to establish the NWO, in order to establish the NWO? It makes no sense.


It does.

Just look at the EU and how it evolved from the EEC, look at the American Union that is soon to emcompass South Middle & North America & Canada... it evolved from NAFTA, now look at the Pacific Union to emcompass Australia and the Asia's, that involved out of the APEC.... all of such are just trade programs.

I call it the totalarian step-toe.

They introduce trading programs and then slowly maniulate them into unions untill all the blocs of the world are members of any on the unions and these unions will be controlled by the world government.

Non of that could of happend in WW2 dident happen.



posted on May, 10 2005 @ 10:37 AM
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Here is the logic of psy-ops in the illuminati payroll and individuals they have brainwashed :

- item #1 in the pre-WW2 illuminati agenda was the extermination of the Jews
- since their goal was to create the state of Israel

To expose the illuminai lies that they created Israel, knowing the story of the Exodus is enough, 1947 - translate from german with google tools
www.zdf.de...







 
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