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Why the war in Iraq was worth it and a success!

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posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:53 PM
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Whine all you want tulipwalkers


cry about Bush, the US, the 100's of millions of innocent dead civilians that them nasty ol American killed in a weekly basis, complain about why there were no WMD's to be found(even though I still think he HAD them).

Whatever you wish.......just look at this one picture and and your point is moot, the Middle East is now changing, and Bush an Co. started the ball a rolling, just one look........











And the difference? Here in the states, people whine and bitch and yet will not lift a finger....what happend in Iraq?







[edit on 8-5-2005 by edsinger]




posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:57 PM
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Look at the ink, they voted, and the tear, of joy shows humanity.



Hmm, I'll wait to say more, at first I had the urge to proclaim...but that may have to wait. I want to see this thread through.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 12:21 AM
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Getting rid of Saddam Hussien was a good thing... But was an entire WAR needed to do that... OFCOURSE NOT...

And I'm glad Iraqi's get to vote - does that mean they are free - HELL NO - look at America and all its supposed "freedom" and "democracy"... America works on a 2-Party system - That are both backed by big companies... Its these comanies that run your country, not the Government....

The only thing that made the Iraq war "worth" anything - Was that now, 2/3rds of the world can see America as the monster it is...

The Iraqi government is the biggest load of crap I have ever seen - the only thing they are going to be doing is opening the markets for the US Monopolies to take control over... ie the OIL...



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 12:30 AM
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Has the United States ever condoned or considered an election under military occupation legitimate? I guess they do if its their own. They certainly didn't in the case of Lebanon. The new government was imposed upon Iraqis. They didn't create it themselves. Hardly what I would consider a legitimate vote.

Don't they have to have a two thirds majority in their government to get anything passed? Thats a requirement only found in Iraq's alleged democracy done simply to destroy the control of the real majority of Iraq, the Shiites.

[edit on 8-5-2005 by Frith]



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 12:34 AM
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I smell photoshop all over that photo.

Polishing turds again ed?



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 12:42 AM
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Ok ghostsoldier, how about all the people your beloved communists killed? I am sure your waving the MAO flag and preaching marxism out of ignorance. If you would like to read something that has far more economic sense than the load of bull your pushing read Fredrick Bastiat or Milton Friedman, and you'll quickly see your supporting a failing ideology that in real world terms simply doesn't exist. No one works solely for the betterment of mankind. This is a fantasy.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 12:45 AM
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BTW edsinger excellent post! it's good to hear some positive things on ATS about americans, and while i dont doubt that the reason for the war in iraq is greed, you would be foolish not to think this, i think that the people voting in iraq is great.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 12:55 AM
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Am I the only person who looks upon current 'democratic' systems as tools to provide the populace with a sense that it is they who pull the strings, when, in fact, it is my belief that we are fundamentally just as oppressed as we would be in an overtly authoritarian regime?


Or am I being, to coin a local phrase, a bit of a 'div'?



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 01:06 AM
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Originally posted by Trustnone
Ok ghostsoldier, how about all the people your beloved communists killed? I am sure your waving the MAO flag and preaching marxism out of ignorance. If you would like to read something that has far more economic sense than the load of bull your pushing read Fredrick Bastiat or Milton Friedman, and you'll quickly see your supporting a failing ideology that in real world terms simply doesn't exist. No one works solely for the betterment of mankind. This is a fantasy.


I dont wanna go TOO far off topic with all this but;

Mao Tse Tung was not a Communist - He had some Nationalistic Socialistic ideals which is what allowed him to take power... Russia was not Communist either - Both these countries were Stalinists - STATE CAPITALISTS....

Marxism is a system that supports the majority
Capitalism is a system that benefits the rich above the majority...

I really dont think you understand that much behind Communist politics - or - even Free Market economics... If you did you would see that the concept of a "free market" is a load of hogwash...

The "free market" is used by the richest of the rich to continue exploiting people for their labour - Answer this; how is it beneficial to mankind in any way, shape or form to have people like Donald Trump have a bank account that looks like this ($1,000,000,000,000,000) where as the average person is (-$15,000) in debt?

So many people spend sooo much of their lives working their guts out, simply just to put food on the table and send their kids to school... Billions of people are un-happy with their lives because they are not contributing effectively to society...

The human being is a creature designed to think and create - we get an endorphin buzz every time we do something worthwhile... With the advent of Agriculture it was only a matter of time before classes were created...

But before that - Did we not live in communalistic extended family groups - Where by everyone worked according to their abilities for the needs of the community?

Under a proper education (not possible under Capitalism) this would be possible - The concept of value would revert back to its original meaning - and people would once again care about their fellow man... Because they wouldn't be out working just to survive....

Capitalism is about 2% better than Fuedalism... The only thing that keeps it alive is the fact that everyone still has it in their mind that; "If I work hard enough, and long enough... Eventually I can become one of the wealthy and powerful and I wont have to work" - Which in reality is what the REAL fantasy is...



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Am I the only person who looks upon current 'democratic' systems as tools to provide the populace with a sense that it is they who pull the strings, when, in fact, it is my belief that we are fundamentally just as oppressed as we would be in an overtly authoritarian regime?


Or am I being, to coin a local phrase, a bit of a 'div'?



We live in an Autocracy - The governments are merely tools used by big business...

So no, I would say I agree with you 100% - So I will say I must be a bit of a 'div' aswell - (What ever that is...) -




posted on May, 8 2005 @ 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by cargo
I smell photoshop all over that photo.

Polishing turds again ed?


What exactly does photoshop smell like? What does that have to do with the thread topic? The polishing comment wasn't funny the LAST time you used it.

I think the political cartoon says a lot more, anyway.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 01:54 AM
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since when do Ninjas vote?






[edit on 8-5-2005 by Lysergic]



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by ghostsoldier
Getting rid of Saddam Hussien was a good thing... But was an entire WAR needed to do that... OFCOURSE NOT...


yes it was, the whole top level needed to go, not just saddam.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 01:58 AM
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What I cannot understand is this...Saddam was a reprehensible leader therefore there must have been a long line of people wanting to take him out. The US leads the world in espionage practices etc., yet they could not get close enough to take him out!!!!

Of course, a single assassin won't generate much cash for the military-industrial complex.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 02:08 AM
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Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Of course, a single assassin won't generate much cash for the military-industrial complex.




You have voted KhieuSamphan for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 02:11 AM
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There goes ed again, making blossoms out of turds. Was it great they practiced to vote? Sure, like Colin Powell said, we broke it, we bought it. Was it worth the money and loss of life? Of course not. Especially when it was done so ineptly.

Turds do help things blossom, but this one still kind of smells.

(If you really want to make me gushy, let's free a country that doesn't have oil)

EDIT: Now here's a picture that the proves it wasn't worth it.



Turdblossoms only care about money, not poor soldiers. They try to make lies smell pretty.



[edit on 8-5-2005 by curme]



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 02:18 AM
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Originally posted by curme
If you really want to make me gushy, let's free a country that doesn't have oil...




You have voted curme for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have one more vote left for this month.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 02:31 AM
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You know, I don't mean to pee on anyone's picnic basket or anything, but when you take a good look, does that tear seem somehow out of place or something to anyone else???

It looks more like a little glob of spiritgum or rubber cement or something stuck to the side of this persons nose.

Also, not that I'm an expert on Iraqi Women or anything but I kinda wonder how many "Eye Models" they went through before they found this one with her well shaped pretty dark brown peeper and nicely plucked eyebrow??? Or am I just being too damn stubborn about the whole "Iraqi Propaganda" thing???

By the way, I'm all for helping the people of Iraq and/or oppressed people everywhere. Unfortunately, this War had nothing to do with helping Iraqi People or American People. It was just a means of controlling the area and resoures there by removing one Tyrant and installing a puppet council and Poly-Corp Management for the purpose of filling the self serving investors pockets....again. International Entrepreneurship, it just warms my heart.



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by xman_in_blackx

Originally posted by cargo
I smell photoshop all over that photo.

Polishing turds again ed?


What exactly does photoshop smell like? What does that have to do with the thread topic? The polishing comment wasn't funny the LAST time you used it.

I think the political cartoon says a lot more, anyway.


That's the first time Ive used it. I think it was curme that introduced it to us in another thread. That's what I think you are referring to. Might want to confirm that you are attacking the right person next time.

As for it not being funny the 2nd time. How do you feel about ed's "tulipwalker" being used for the 600th time? Double standards are cool! As long as they are aimed at "tulipwalkers" right?


"What does the picture appearing to be photoshopped have to do with the topic".... huh?


As for "What exactly does photoshop smell like?". Keep scraping there, champ.

Turd-Polisher. I love it! So fitting.

[edit on 8-5-2005 by cargo]



posted on May, 8 2005 @ 02:46 AM
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Originally posted by cargo

That's the first time Ive used it. I think it was curme that introduced it to us in another thread. That's what I think you are referring to. Might want to confirm that you are attacking the right person next time.

[edit on 8-5-2005 by cargo]


This is the first time I've used it since ed gave it up. I figured it was in free-domain now.



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