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posted on May, 18 2005 @ 02:32 PM
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The very famous psychic Sylvia Browne www.sylvia.org... who IMO is the only real psychic there is has predictions for the next 100 years and #1 is cancer will be cured with sound waves.

As I said I think Sylvia Browne is the only real physic there is, she's always on the Montel Williams show doing some mind boggling stuff, telling people things about them and whats happening to them like its a matter of fact. I don't think I have ever seen her tell somebody something where there was any chance of her being wrong. Anyway, ya, the predictions there




posted on May, 18 2005 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Templarum
Yes, during those long years of training by the medical establishment we learned nothing of how the body actually works. We learned nothing of physics, chemistry, how the body works as a system and how it responds to stimulus. It was a twelve year seminar on how to bilk people and rob them of their quality of life for a maximum profit.


Stop being sarcastic and come out and say it. If this machine is as real as thousands have percieved it then you my friend would more than likely be out of a job.


Double-blind tests? They're usually reserved for paranormal and ESP trial claims, aren't they. Yes, let's reduce medical testing to the realm of the paranormal. Perhaps it is only upon that level where your smug credulity will serve you best.


Yes lets. At least many, many people will be happy to have it tested in front of a live audience and checked by world renound physicists, GPs, Sergeons and even average joe just so no funny business goes on. What are you scared of???


But you do have the ultimate power over us. Stage a revolution: next time you fall ill, next time a dear relative becomes terminal or your loved one contracts some vile virus; don't seek professional medical attention. Cancel your health insurance and buy your Omnificent RIFE machine, or whatever fantastic device that will cure you in ways hereto unknown. Yes, I will miss eighty hours a week of making ill people even more sick, and I shall have to find some other way of entertaining myself than knowing I could save a persons life but instead letting them dwindle away.


Look, I do not like the idea of millions of people loosing there jobs due to this machine being tested and released to the people for the use of curing/helping but sometimes we must make sacrifices for the greater good. I do not expect this machine to replace your job at all, you have learnt alot from medical establishment I do not doubt it and I am forever thankful for people like you who can save lives as if it wasn't for you my mum would not be alive today so please do not think that people are not greatful for your services.


And all this despite the fact that the majority of people whom we see are indigent and are not expected to pay for treatments. If there's no money involved, than I suppose I am simply a sadist. And a dumb one at that, as we all must be if we are to forgo several thousand dollars of test for a machine that must work and instead invest trillions of dollars researching things that simply do not.


look, if it makes money people will invest those people will protect their investments. Simple as that. I am not calling you dumb but maybe you need to open your mind just a little bit more. Also why would Rife waste almost his entire life building and using machines that is completely non effective??????? He certainly had the qualifications to do this stuff.

Now if you want some technical info in this subject for better understanding here it is:

www.rifeenergymedicine.com...


For those people who believe that no medical establishment could be so lacking of integrity, so lacking of compassion, so dishonor their Hippocratic oath, I suggest you reflect on the Tuskegee, ALB. syphilis experiments carried out on black men for over a forty year period by our medical establishment, long after there was a cure. In fairness, I should say that I do not believe all the members of the Special Medical Research Committee and other doctors that were well informed about the success of the clinical trials were bad or evil men. I believe that then, as now, a great majority of people lack the integrity and courage to buck the system or powers that be.

Members of Special Medical Research Committee of the University of Southern California: Dr. Milbank Johnson, M.D., member of the board of directors of U.S.C. and committee chairman, Dr. Rufus B. van Klein Smidt, president of U.S.C., Dr. Charles Fischer, M.D., of the Children's Hospital in New York, Dr. Hayland Morrison, M.D., chief surgeon of the Santa Fe Railway, Dr. George Dock, M.D., of Pasadena, Dr. Karl F. Meyer of the George Williams Hooper Foundation in San Francisco ( U.C. Berkeley ), Dr. Alvin G. Ford, M.D., president of the American Association of Pathologists of Pasadena California.

Other doctors observing and collaborating on the results of the 1934 U.S.C. Special Medical Research Committee clinic were: Dr. Ray Lounsberry, M.D., Dr. James B. Couche, M.D., Dr. E.F.F. Copp, M.D., Dr. Thomas Burger, M.D., all of the San Diego area. Dr. Arthur Isaac Kendall, Ph.D., of Northwestern University faculty, Dr. Joseph Heitger, M.D., of Louisville, Kentucky, Dr. O.C. Gruner, M.D., head of the Archibald Cancer Research Committee of McGill University of Montreal, Canada, Dr. E.C. Rosenow, head of the department of research and bacteriology of Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota.


Yeah all these medical professionals are in on the deal of a fake machine that cannot cure cancer and cannot help millions of people worldwide. Give me a break.

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posted on May, 18 2005 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Templarum
Yes, during those long years of training by the medical establishment we learned nothing of how the body actually works. We learned nothing of physics, chemistry, how the body works as a system and how it responds to stimulus. It was a twelve year seminar on how to bilk people and rob them of their quality of life for a maximum profit.

I wouldn't take it that sarcastically far. But some of the elements of medicine are to treat the symptom, and sometimes not the cause. Is this not true?
Listen please don't get defensive. That is the problem with alot of doctors when they respond to these types of issues. They get defensive and take things personally. We know you went to school and learned a ton of stuff. We other professions went to school too. You learned alot of good stuff to help people. It is not your fault if a few miracle cures have been slipped past you, for profits sake. Ultimately only a small group of people were needed to convince a much larger group that Rife doesn't work.
You have to see that - We are all after the same thing here right? to help folks with cancer, and other ailments. So why blindly throw away a possibility? And not even research it. Such a simple and painless one?


Originally posted by Templarum
Double-blind tests? They're usually reserved for paranormal and ESP trial claims, aren't they. Yes, let's reduce medical testing to the realm of the paranormal. Perhaps it is only upon that level where your smug credulity will serve you best.


I don't know exactly what you think I meant by Double-Blind test.
Sounds like your trying to bring a para-normal spin on this otherwise scientific discussion...
What I meant when I said a Double-Blind test, (and maybe this would also be called a placebo trial):
Take a group of cancer patients (say 16 for arguements sake) and give them 3 mins of Rife therapy a day. However since the Rife therapy is silent, only give it to half of the patients and see how they are progressing as time goes on versus the half that didn't get it. What I meant when I said Double-Blind is not only is the patient blind to wether they are actually getting the treatment, but so is their doctor. Only the Rife researchers would keep a list of who is actually getting the 3 minutes.
Then at the end of the research, the results of who got the sound waves would be revealed to all. And then if the results were favorable, the other 8 patients would begin real therapy.
So whatever you meant... I don't know. But that is the test I am suggesting. What a concept eh?


Originally posted by Templarum
But you do have the ultimate power over us. Stage a revolution: next time you fall ill, next time a dear relative becomes terminal or your loved one contracts some vile virus; don't seek professional medical attention. Cancel your health insurance and buy your Omnificent RIFE machine, or whatever fantastic device that will cure you in ways hereto unknown. Yes, I will miss eighty hours a week of making ill people even more sick, and I shall have to find some other way of entertaining myself than knowing I could save a persons life but instead letting them dwindle away.

And all this despite the fact that the majority of people whom we see are indigent and are not expected to pay for treatments. If there's no money involved, than I suppose I am simply a sadist. And a dumb one at that, as we all must be if we are to forgo several thousand dollars of test for a machine that must work and instead invest trillions of dollars researching things that simply do not.


Alot of sarcastic self bashing here and sarcastic rambling... very reminicient of a jaded doctor's response. I can tell you have a lot of energy invested in your beliefs.

Instead of this "we said, they said" arguement lets settle this for real, once and for all and run those tests I spoke of. hmm?

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posted on May, 18 2005 @ 04:04 PM
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You're both right. I was wrong in over-estimating your capacity for both knowledge and reasoning. Perhaps you gentlemen would be wise to enlighten yourselves with a few courses in anything that doesn't emerge from a computer screen (do not harangue me with your qualifications, you've already demonstrated them far better than you could describe). But then again, it's all establishment lies. Fare well in your quests for truth, and clue me in when several uneducated conspiracists are finally able to overturn three thousands years of conventional wisdom already proven by millions of lives saved.

What do you know about Doctors? How many do you know personally? How many express their concerns and fears to you? How many people have you watched die? How many parents have you had to tell about their childs terminal condition?

You know positively nothing about what a health professional does and how many of them suffer along with their patients, and you do an incredible disservice when you accuse people who have dedicated their lives to assuaging suffering of holding back cures for the sake of money.

Quid est Veritas?

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posted on May, 18 2005 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Templarum
And yes, a radiofrequency generater is EXACTLY what this RIFE device is, nothing more, nothing less. What do you think these oscillations are? They reside upon the electromagnetic spectrum, they are radiofrequencies. [
Why don't we fire up some old RIFE generators (also refered to as Beck blood electrifications) and try them out? Why, you can still buy them from many sources. Guess what, they are advertised as Frequency generaters, because again, all they do is generate Radiofrequecy and nothing more. In addition, along with Cancer ablation, they are claimed to cure AIDS, Lyme disease, depression, etc... and there is positively no evidence that they do so. Quite the contrary, I have seen people who are terminal and embrace these along with other supposed miracle machines when there is no hope left, and sadly none of them has any effect other than setting back the dying patient several thousand dollars.


So where's the proof that Rifes original machine did not do what he said it did so did it not cure 16 suposed uncurable people in 1934??? There are lot of medical professionals who say different.


Are you aware of the lawsuits against vendors of these machines from customers? For the simple fact that they do not produce the results that they advertise. Do a google search, and you will find these lawsuits intermingled among ads.


I have done a thorough search into the FAKE machine(s) CLAIMED to be Rifes frequency intrument and have found quite a few who have tried to make money off the sick, this is not moral or ethical to do such a thing as Rife's original designs and blueprints were not able to be rescued from the fires at both his lab and the following new york validating lab so how could people create such a thing, as I have done more research I have found that Rifes machine to put bluntly it changed Audio frequncies into Radio frequencies through a gas and then that exposed to air around the patients thus "devitalizing" the cancerous cells to let the immune system remove the rest so its not just the machine that does the work.


And lastly, do you find it suspicious that Mr. Rife died of a supposed Valium overdose a full fifty years after his alleged discovery? This is what I meant about conspiracy conjecture. Were the powers that be really after him, I can't help but think that they would have silenced him long ago. Plus, valium overdose is a fairly barbaric thing: there are many other substances available within the medical community that will look like a natural death, especially in a person of that age.


Well I just don't know thats why I am so intrigued. There is much evidence of a conspiracy as the fires and suspicious death of Dr Johnson m.d of the University of Southern California just one day before a conference to release the information to the press. hmmmmm????? You think this coincidence???



Yes, the Phar industry is selfish, even when considered with the most uncynical mind. However, it is their funding which is responsible for most of the medical breakthroughs during the last few decades. But when you consider that they are responsible for withholding this technology, it is simply not the case. If these machines did work then Doctors themselves would purchase them and establish clinics offering RF treatments. They do it with every single modality of medical equipment, so why not these? Because of the FDA? Okay then, why not establish them in Mexico, or the Caribbean. If you could cure cancer with these devices, then the potential profits from such a device would have members of the established medical community lining up to perform these treatments, and not relegate their availability to web sites bearing new-age medical names. And if they did indeed work, you can be sure that they would cost several thousand times more than a couple of grand.

I'm sorry, but these machines don't work, neither in theory nor practice. And no amount of arguing will change that.


Ok, ok you seem to be getting a tad touchy, touchy so I will say that I am not a medical professional nor scientist you will not seem to grasp the idea these sort of things could have been done in the 30's and could still be going on underground because there is far too much profit in it, shall I post a couple of stocks from yahoo and show you how much they have earnt so far in machines that are far too powerful and if used wrongly can kill people but rife built his microscopes and frequency instruments probly with not as much investment than that of chemotherapy and MRI machines. So I guess it would cost virtually hundreds to build one now but why not just back engineer the only one in existance then build one based on that double blindly check just to make sure it don't work maybe then people desperate will not be tempted to waste money. Remember we do not know EVERYTHING about everything so you have to remain open minded about these things just to make sure don't just let the powers that be make blind assumptions.

I also have alot of room for skepticism about amazing cancer cures and imposters who claim to cure cancers but this is way beyond being just another crazy concept there are far too many coincidences and medical professionals involved. I am not claiming in any way shape or form that I or anyone can cure cancer I am only questioning what happened to all this technology and the microscope that has appeared but no one questions it????



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 04:25 PM
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Rife was definitely on to something. My father knew a scientist, from an organisation (IAOMT) to which they both belonged, who had the last remaining rife machine. He was testing it for the guy whose family had had it kept in their garage since the forties. When the other I think 10 or so practitioners of the device started dieing in accidents, around the 1940s, they quit using it and stored it in their garage. Lucky for them.

Back to the point. The scientist said that it was still an experimental device and said the range of the thing was phenomenal. He kept killing bacteria stored in a lab there stories below where he was testing it. The other scientist was mightly peeved at this.

Now back to what's being touted on the web. I haven't bought or tried any of the Rife spin-offs and so I am at no liberty to judge. The only thing I have seen is that an Australian guy was selling a machine in 2001 in Queensland (said the ad on a poster board in a tiny town there while on holiday). He claimed that it had cured him and he wanted to sell it on (these knock-offs can cost thousands of US dollars).

Gary Wade might be on the money with his device, He won't print testimonials unless you convince him you are kosher. (It is illegal to say that you cure cancer in the US and Britain). He says that his device works for some cancers and not others. It is apparantly good for rheu arthritis. I don't know first hand though.
www.rifeenergymedicine.com...

A problem with the device could be that it kills all bacteria, including the good ones, and that wade's device doesn't seem to do a good job of killin parasites and bacteria in the gut as other methods. Apparantly 70% of the immune system lies behind the gut.
When my father gives patients (neurological disorders) dairy free gut friendly bacteria, the patients call it the wundermittlel.

I'm digressing. I know quite a bit about alternative therapies, but I am not an authority and I cannot validate them better than you (apart from my father's therapies).

He says that the electronic Sputnik capsule (I know the interesting history of that device) is very effective and does not harm the friendly bacteria. It would seem to be a better choice he says, rather than an experimental rife-like device.
www.parasiteremedies.com...

As for other apparantly effective cancer treatments, there are a few others, which allegedly really do work. Let me point you to a couple.

The first is cesium chloride (or even potassium citrate) with vit C and aloe vera. There have been studies on this, but no full blown clinical trials (as far as I am aware). Google and find out.
www.cancer-coverup.com...


The second is Dan Rabers enzyme, herb and mineral treatment (with enphasis on enzymes). If you haven't already seen his site, then ladies and gentlemen it is time for your mind to be blown away. Your concepts on alternative medicine being wishy washy aromatherapy and yoga are finally over. Check out the photos on this testimonal link:
www.cancerx.org...

My father says this device (the ionic footbath thingy) is bogus. It does have a little effect, but the discolouration of the water is due to the palladium electrodes. My father knows the original inventor of the device (20 years old) who is suing this British company of infringement.

My father is an holistic dentist. His site, if any of you are interested is:
www.hallvtox.co.uk...


A must read for scientists is Weston A Price's work in the 1920s on root canals and degenerative diseases.
www.mizar5.com...


I hope you enjoy these links as much as I have.



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 04:29 PM
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I forgot the link to the ionic footbath. Here it is:

www.hydradetox.com...



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 04:36 PM
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What do you know about Doctors? How many do you know personally? How many express their concerns and fears to you? How many people have you watched die? How many parents have you had to tell about their childs terminal condition?

You know positively nothing about what a health professional does and how many of them suffer along with their patients, and you do an incredible disservice when you accuse people who have dedicated their lives to assuaging suffering of holding back cures for the sake of money.


I cannot even begin to imagine how painful it is to tell people there child is going to die of a terminal illness.
or anyone for that matter.

That is why people like theorist alike exists if they didn't then everybody would be blind as to some of things in this world that just doesn't add up???



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Templarum
You're both right. I was wrong in over-estimating your capacity for both knowledge and reasoning. Perhaps you gentlemen would be wise to enlighten yourselves with a few courses in anything that doesn't emerge from a computer screen (do not harangue me with your qualifications, you've already demonstrated them far better than you could describe). But then again, it's all establishment lies. Fare well in your quests for truth, and clue me in when several uneducated conspiracists are finally able to overturn three thousands years of conventional wisdom already proven by millions of lives saved.

I don't get it... your drowning here.
You are just lowering yourself into simple insults of my intelligence and qualifications?


Originally posted by Templarum
What do you know about Doctors? How many do you know personally? How many express their concerns and fears to you? How many people have you watched die? How many parents have you had to tell about their childs terminal condition?

You know positively nothing about what a health professional does and how many of them suffer along with their patients, and you do an incredible disservice when you accuse people who have dedicated their lives to assuaging suffering of holding back cures for the sake of money.


I have a brother that just lost his closest friend to stomach cancer.
To assume who I am and what I know is intolerant, and ignorant.
And if I and my brother had known what we know now, we could have helped him and tried some alternative choices. But that information and option was never given, doctor...

But ... let me get this straight. Your arguement is:

That IF the Rife machine worked it would be so horrible for all the doctors to find that out that they had been lied to, and the patients had suffered, and that is why Rife can't possibly work?

And we won't do any tests because it would be too horrible for us to know that we could have saved all these people, and that we had been lied to for years on end?

What kind of arguement is that? The sympathy arguement?

I think you are losing your objectivity to your emotions here.


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posted on May, 18 2005 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by kdx175
Templarum, who has been trained by the Medical Establishment, to accept whatever they tell him.

Good doctors are trained to question everything, and the best ones do. What do you know about medical training exactly?



Who hasn't performed any tests himself with Rife.

Well he's, err, dead. Although as his machine apparently cures everything it shouldn't be too hard to bring him back to life with it.



Who blindly accepts what his medical peers accept, and what the medical journals/books tell him.

How do you know this?



The establishment that spends more time thinking up reasoning why Rife won't work, rather than trying it.

As has been said lots of times before, these machines have been tested and they don't work - what makes you think they do, apart from some apparently none existant research (that has never been replicated) from 70 years ago??



Until you have done real-world tests with your own rife machine.
Then your points are... well to put it bluntly... pointless...

What, an understanding of the human body and the pathology of disease is useless when assessing a treatment for a patient? You are just applauding ignorance.



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 06:07 PM
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Listen I have been through this "doctors say this" and "conspiracists say that" arguement over and over with this Rife machine.
The more doctors refuse to research it and give hollow reasons, the more curious it gets.

Until I see some Rife tests with results of cancer patients, proving one way or the other, there is simply nothing to discuss here on this board.
I want to see some definitive results. Even if they prove me wrong.

The only results I have seen published to date, are from Rife where he cured 16 of 16 patients in 90 days.
If you have results of tests that have been done since, then cough them up. I would love to see them, and you can shut me up.

The "doctors know more than you" arguement is old and tired, and wearing paper thin.


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posted on May, 18 2005 @ 06:21 PM
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It is about time to take this healing process from the medicine and pharmacy to the people who really know something, people who understand what is the energy, what is the wave and what is the life.
And even if I become ill maybe I should cancel my health insurance and die instead of being slave and object of greedy and utterly arogant people who are in this field of non productional work.
Poisoning people and taking their money, only that doctors well do.
It is just opinion which I confirm a lot of people agreed on that, and I am not happy about that.
True is the companies in pharmaceutics are disgustingly agressive in their taking of money from sick, people in pain and I am just dumb and ignorant and they are so good and helping people.
I find it amusing that people who are good in math and physics always go into IT, or some engineering, but people who are weak in those fields go study medicine and feel so important while their brain just can't function in the field of puting two and two together, but generaly this is true this is how system works, ts ts.



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 06:33 PM
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FatherLukeDuke:
As has been said lots of times before, these machines have been tested and they don't work - what makes you think they do, apart from some apparently none existant research (that has never been replicated) from 70 years ago??


Ok so show me the proof that rifes original machine has been tested and proved wrong. It cannot be duplicated due to him making of his own devices but I'm pretty sure there are very clever minds out there and if put together this technology will be revived and Rife will have the real credit he deserved. Believe it or not he was a very respected scientist until his machine(s) were destroyed by someone and his work ridiculed.



posted on May, 18 2005 @ 11:48 PM
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Originally posted by MankoW
It is about time to take this healing process from the medicine and pharmacy to the people who really know something, people who understand what is the energy, what is the wave and what is the life.
And even if I become ill maybe I should cancel my health insurance and die instead of being slave and object of greedy and utterly arogant people who are in this field of non productional work.
Poisoning people and taking their money, only that doctors well do.
It is just opinion which I confirm a lot of people agreed on that, and I am not happy about that.
True is the companies in pharmaceutics are disgustingly agressive in their taking of money from sick, people in pain and I am just dumb and ignorant and they are so good and helping people.
I find it amusing that people who are good in math and physics always go into IT, or some engineering, but people who are weak in those fields go study medicine and feel so important while their brain just can't function in the field of puting two and two together, but generaly this is true this is how system works, ts ts.


Actually, it may surprise you to know that the pre-reqs of most medical schools require a minimum of 1 year of Calculus, along with advanced physical sciences. Do you not consider Chemistry, Cellular biology, Bio-chemistry, and Zoology as worthy? Cardiologists, Radiologists, Neurologists, and Nephrologists receive extensive schooling concerning physical and mathematical sciences. They are required to know how their machines work, and what effect they have on their patients down to a molecular level.

You think IT guys are saints of the modern day world? Consider that almost all of the major technologically 'productive' advances in sciences have ultimately had their roots in military development, and are crossed over into civilian applications. They are made by companies who advance the ability of killing other people to a science. I would consider that as agressively pursuing a profit at the expense of other peoples pain and suffering.

Pharmaceutical companies make pharmaceuticals. Companies like GE make medical equipment. The people who design these machines have both medical degrees, and engineering degrees. These companies invest trillions of dollars in R and D of new technologies. Why would they ignore RIFE machine development and yet pour billions into technologies much more strange and incomprehensible to all but a few engineers? One of these emerging techs is Nano-technology, where they're trying to make artificial cells that recognize cancerous cells (viruses too) and destroy them on an individual level. Why would they ignore an existing device such as a RIFE machine when it would be much much cheaper to produce them than take the high road with unproven things? It makes positively no sense, not economically, not physically, not ethically, and certainly not scientifically.

I'm not going to argue about this any further, because it is really frustrating to try to convince people of something that they don't seem to comprehend on even a basic level. That's not meant to be insulting, but why don't you guys take a while to investigate how this machine is supposed to affect the human body, and then read up on basic cell structure, and biological interaction with electromagnetic fields? My decade or so of formal training seems to hold no merit, indeed, it seems to be an object of derision. You want a 'double blind' test that is normally used for ESP claims? If you knew a little, you would see that that is an unscientific procedure, downright illegal and wholly unethical; you want to subject people to a medical treatment without their knowledge? How will you measure the results? WBC counts? Biopsies? Extensive medical imaging? Exploratory surgeries? C'mon, put two and two together.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 07:09 AM
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This little argument has actually made me smile...

You guys realise that in medical training you get taught how the body works and what the treatments do to help them don't you? They don't just memorise a list of treatments for every disorder blindly without the knowledge behind how it works, that would make a doctor unable to react to new diseases and problems making them, well, no better than a walking text book really. Have some respect.

Also, coming from a Physicists point of view here rather than medical....




I have found that Rifes machine to put bluntly it changed Audio frequncies into Radio frequencies through a gas and then that exposed to air around the patients thus "devitalizing" the cancerous cells to let the immune system remove the rest so its not just the machine that does the work.


So you're saying that it DOES use electromagnetic radiation frequencies to... I presume you mean denature... the cancerous cells. A bit like X-rays infact, well, exactly like X-rays.

Not sure why he used a gas to perform the transition, take a look at your radio and that transforms EM radiation into soundwaves, the transmitter doing the opposite, it's really quite a simple and easy process, even in the 40's. I presume you mean they've exposed the air to these EM waves which have been transformed through them and then this gas is exposed to the patient? I think something's gone awry here.

Now, before you said that it wasn't sound waves but radio frequencies above...



No wonder music has such a profound affect on many people.


Why would sound vibrations help us in this way if it's got nothing to do with this form of vibrations?



This is not I repeat NOT an electromagnetic machine. It is a oscillator that generates non-audible, no tissue damage and no sensation noticed frequency that simply destroys the cancerous/bacterium cells. I think its a tad more complicated than just resonating frquencies in a sound wave.


But you said it transformed sound waves into EM waves? How exactly did he come accross the magical frequency to destroy ALL bacteria and cancer cells. Bacteria aren't all one size and shape you realise? They're not regular and crystalline (and neither are virus') The different sizes of bacteria will have different resonant frequencies, which are different again to cancer cells. For that matter, what about the different cells in my body? They are all going to have different resonant frequencies and could thus be killed off quite easily, if this machine actually works through some unfathomable system. How many people must he have killed finding the frequency specific to denature caner and virus cells?


We are all made of vibrations like I said before IT HAS BEEN PROVEN


We are all made of vibrations? How exactly has this been proven? What is vibrating exactly? I presume you're thinking of the vibration in string theory (As nothing else would make even remote sense) which, may I add, is at the limits of theoretical physics and as yet has not been integrated into the practical world or even exists in a state that could enable us to prove it. It's a theoretical concept that has neither been proven nor enables us to use it to cure cancer. These vibrations, accroding to the theory, are not going to be created via this machine, apart from being on a tiny scale, and we're talking the plank scale here, far below the size of elementary particles... how on earth would frequencies in the 10's of Herz range interact with these? They're completely seperate and you should not confuse.

Or perhaps you're talking about a deBroglie wavelength? Which involves the momentum of a particle but has nothing to do with a frequency and doesn't work on a macroscopic scale.



Its a plasma connection that releases different frequencies, therefore if you find the oscillation of the human body you could in theory make the human body stronger and able to fight pathogens and heal wounds with ease


Do you know what a Plasma is? Ionised gas. Right, so, we're using the EM radiation to ionise the gas in the chamber then subjecting the patient to ionised gas. Fair enough, this has been investigated for various things I'm sure but what exactly has this got to do with oscillations? You're strengthening the combined oscillations of the human body by exposing it to ionised gas such as that found in a thunderstorm. Heal Wounds? that's the bodies own processes building new cells in place, which you want to increase the speed of? Kind of unrelated to the location of destruction of other cells within the body doing this TOO fast (which is what cancer is doing)... speeding up cell growth seems an unwise plan to me. I think it's vitimins that you want, not ionised gas.


As soon as the companies start making money from a cure that is made of electronic components whats to stop people back engineering this patented technology and start curing everyone for FREE!!!


You realise the idea behind patents don't you? WHat do you think the company will do to people creating patented technology for free? Sit around and feel bad that they're losing money? I think not. It's called suing, and the law is quite specific about these things. The governement and companies involve will not stand by and watch this happen, why do you think you have to pay for technology?

Oh, and can we have some proof of his curing of 16 people from cancer please?

Tom


Edit: Fixed the annoying quotes, got confused between backslashes and forward ones :p

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posted on May, 19 2005 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by Templarum
Actually, it may surprise you to know that the pre-reqs of most medical schools require a minimum of 1 year of Calculus, along with advanced physical sciences. Do you not consider Chemistry, Cellular biology, Bio-chemistry, and Zoology as worthy? Cardiologists, Radiologists, Neurologists, and Nephrologists receive extensive schooling concerning physical and mathematical sciences. They are required to know how their machines work, and what effect they have on their patients down to a molecular level.


You are forgetting one thing!!!! WE DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING as I said before so for you to say that learn soooo much and expect to know everything is a DOWN RIGHT LIE! If something comes up beyond the scope of your education you dismiss it as a crazy concept. You probly would dismiss that FACT that people 3000 years ago (Mayans) were 100% smarter than you or I. Due to it putting you in a lower position than that of someone who didn't spend thousands and many years on a medical/scientific education.


You think IT guys are saints of the modern day world? Consider that almost all of the major technologically 'productive' advances in sciences have ultimately had their roots in military development, and are crossed over into civilian applications. They are made by companies who advance the ability of killing other people to a science. I would consider that as agressively pursuing a profit at the expense of other peoples pain and suffering.


Well you are most def on to something here, roots in military and we all know how friendly and cooperative they are at letting technology out. Like I said before it's not the honest working Dr trying to save lives it is the power and money hungry business (wo)man who trys to make more cost cutting and keeping profits up. Simple as that! How do you know in all honesty that certain technologies exist when the major TNCs (Trans-national corporations) basically own the government along with government contractors etc. etc.



Pharmaceutical companies make pharmaceuticals. Companies like GE make medical equipment. The people who design these machines have both medical degrees, and engineering degrees. These companies invest trillions of dollars in R and D of new technologies. Why would they ignore RIFE machine development and yet pour billions into technologies much more strange and incomprehensible to all but a few engineers? One of these emerging techs is Nano-technology, where they're trying to make artificial cells that recognize cancerous cells (viruses too) and destroy them on an individual level. Why would they ignore an existing device such as a RIFE machine when it would be much much cheaper to produce them than take the high road with unproven things? It makes positively no sense, not economically, not physically, not ethically, and certainly not scientifically.


It makes an economy strong. They ignore such devices and technology to keep people in the dark for just to make a quick buck sounds very nasty and highly unethical but what about the Depleted Uranium that is being used on Iraqi not forgetting our troops that don't even know what the hell is going on and why they are coming home sick, these good honerable people are dying are becoming sick for no apparant reason since the beginning of the war but not one word is mentioned in the controlled press hmmmm???? Funny that. And yes I have done ALOT of research into Nano-technology.


I'm not going to argue about this any further, because it is really frustrating to try to convince people of something that they don't seem to comprehend on even a basic level. That's not meant to be insulting, but why don't you guys take a while to investigate how this machine is supposed to affect the human body, and then read up on basic cell structure, and biological interaction with electromagnetic fields? My decade or so of formal training seems to hold no merit, indeed, it seems to be an object of derision. You want a 'double blind' test that is normally used for ESP claims? If you knew a little, you would see that that is an unscientific procedure, downright illegal and wholly unethical; you want to subject people to a medical treatment without their knowledge? How will you measure the results? WBC counts? Biopsies? Extensive medical imaging? Exploratory surgeries? C'mon, put two and two together.


No all your need to do is get Rifes original microscope that exists today then use HIS original machine also in existance then take a sample from people who have a terminal illness via injection no need for the goo, goo ga ga you just said then it can be proven right or wrong without the mumbo jumbo political crap. How can you say its not fully provable until PROOF has been presented THE absolute worst thing you can do is underestimate science as there is ALOT we do not know. Who said anything about arguing you are the one that wants to remain resiliant. Your formal training of 10 years is NOTHING (no offence) compared to the 4 decades worth of research Rife and other medical professional among them scientists and engineers had done.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 08:21 AM
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Oh, and I almost forgot... 30'000X magnification on live subject? Any details on this microscope at all? It's hard to test these things if we don't know how they work or are constructed...

The limit to optical microscopes is around 2000X Magnification, SEM and TEM could do 300'000X and 1'000'000X respectively, but are high energy and require still/dead objects to image them.

I find the existance of this microscope extremely hard to believe.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by Slashpepper
This little argument has actually made me smile...

You guys realise that in medical training you get taught how the body works and what the treatments do to help them don't you? They don't just memorise a list of treatments for every disorder blindly without the knowledge behind how it works, that would make a doctor unable to react to new diseases and problems making them, well, no better than a walking text book really. Have some respect.

Also, coming from a Physicists point of view here rather than medical....


If you havn't been reading then I suggest you go through the WHOLE thread again as I have the up most respect for anyone that is in the business of saving lives to not assume people who are not professionals take you for granted is just plane ignorant please remember the ATS motto.



Not sure why he used a gas to perform the transition, take a look at your radio and that transforms EM radiation into soundwaves, the transmitter doing the opposite, it's really quite a simple and easy process, even in the 40's. I presume you mean they've exposed the air to these EM waves which have been transformed through them and then this gas is exposed to the patient? I think something's gone awry here.


not quite, The gas is not exposed to the patient, it is in a glass container much like a light bulb this bulb has no filament and something like nearly 2000 volts of electricity making a electrical spark on a massive scale. Like I said before I am not a scientist or medical professional but I have a huge curiosity for this subject due to the coincidences between professionals and bad things.


Now, before you said that it wasn't sound waves but radio frequencies above...


When you listen to music does it not make you feel happy or sad depending on what it is you are listening too????



Why would sound vibrations help us in this way if it's got nothing to do with this form of vibrations?


Without music you would be most depressed and probly not very sociable music goes back thousands and thousands of years BC so don't give me that music don't a make a difference crap.



But you said it transformed sound waves into EM waves? How exactly did he come accross the magical frequency to destroy ALL bacteria and cancer cells. Bacteria aren't all one size and shape you realise? They're not regular and crystalline (and neither are virus') The different sizes of bacteria will have different resonant frequencies, which are different again to cancer cells. For that matter, what about the different cells in my body? They are all going to have different resonant frequencies and could thus be killed off quite easily, if this machine actually works through some unfathomable system. How many people must he have killed finding the frequency specific to denature caner and virus cells?


Its not one magical frequncy you fool, if you had read he found over 500 frequncies that killed all different illnesses not just cancer.



We are all made of vibrations? How exactly has this been proven? What is vibrating exactly? I presume you're thinking of the vibration in string theory (As nothing else would make even remote sense) which, may I add, is at the limits of theoretical physics and as yet has not been integrated into the practical world or even exists in a state that could enable us to prove it. It's a theoretical concept that has neither been proven nor enables us to use it to cure cancer. These vibrations, accroding to the theory, are not going to be created via this machine, apart from being on a tiny scale, and we're talking the plank scale here, far below the size of elementary particles... how on earth would frequencies in the 10's of Herz range interact with these? They're completely seperate and you should not confuse.


You are obviously ignorant to the fact that something might be beyond you reasoning of thought and education. I'm not going to even attempt to argue with you on the vibrational energies that is what makes up our ENTIRE DNA gene poole and the universe. I take it you know what a Chakra/Aura is don't you??? We have proven this exist but still nothing really gets mentioned about them so could you please tell me in your opinion what these electro/biological anomolies are???


Do you know what a Plasma is? Ionised gas. Right, so, we're using the EM radiation to ionise the gas in the chamber then subjecting the patient to ionised gas. Fair enough, this has been investigated for various things I'm sure but what exactly has this got to do with oscillations? You're strengthening the combined oscillations of the human body by exposing it to ionised gas such as that found in a thunderstorm. Heal Wounds? that's the bodies own processes building new cells in place, which you want to increase the speed of? Kind of unrelated to the location of destruction of other cells within the body doing this TOO fast (which is what cancer is doing)... speeding up cell growth seems an unwise plan to me. I think it's vitimins that you want, not ionised gas.


Ionised gas is not exposed to the patient only the frequencies in which the 1750 volt machine generates using the ionised gas to change the frequency from audible to ultra sonic waves.


You realise the idea behind patents don't you? WHat do you think the company will do to people creating patented technology for free? Sit around and feel bad that they're losing money? I think not. It's called suing, and the law is quite specific about these things. The governement and companies involve will not stand by and watch this happen, why do you think you have to pay for technology?


Yeah you can really imagine the millions of people that would need to be sued due to the pharm companies wanting more money. Please do not turn this into a political issue there is obviously something at hand that cannot be explained and Dr Royal Rife comes across as an extremly intelligent man who spent most of his life wanting to help others just like you or I. So move to a different country thus suing is not a problem.


Oh, and can we have some proof of his curing of 16 people from cancer please?


Well prove it didn't as there is alot of evidence from many professionals that say different please do not be so ignorant, I am open to anything that will denounce his original machine but until the day HIS machine and microscope is fully tested and denounced as fraudulant and double checked by scientists, medical professionals, engineers and even the average person just to make sure then I shall shut up.



posted on May, 19 2005 @ 09:01 AM
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When you listen to music does it not make you feel happy or sad depending on what it is you are listening too????

Not really, and I imagine that most people would agree. Some musich might make me feel energetic and upbeat -- UNLESS I was, say, ill or under stress. Then that same music can be irritating or annoying or stressful.

Furthermore, you might get a charge out of Tupac's music but to my ears it's annoying. To a Bushman from Africa, ALL of our music sounds weird and none of it would be emotionally moving.

What you're talking about is very individualistic and not the basis of anything measureable.


Without music you would be most depressed and probly not very sociable music goes back thousands and thousands of years BC so don't give me that music don't a make a difference crap.


Do you have a citation for that -- something other than your personal belief?

Personal beliefs are not the same as proof. Proof would be "I play 'Traumerei' and EVERYONE in the audience, no matter what their age or culture or physical conditon ALWAYS cries for 40 seconds at this particular passage." If you can replicate it every time at the exact same point, then you have proof.


I take it you know what a Chakra/Aura is don't you??? We have proven this exist but still nothing really gets mentioned about them so could you please tell me in your opinion what these electro/biological anomolies are???


Where has it been proven that they exist? I see lots of mystical literature about them, but I have never seen any data showing that they are detectable by heat spots on the body (which would be a point of high energy, by the way) or galvanic skin response differences (another way of telling) or any other way of detecting them.


Do you know what a Plasma is? Ionised gas. Right, so, we're using the EM radiation to ionise the gas in the chamber then subjecting the patient to ionised gas. Fair enough, this has been investigated for various things I'm sure but what exactly has this got to do with oscillations? You're strengthening the combined oscillations of the human body by exposing it to ionised gas such as that found in a thunderstorm.


I sure hope not. Plasmas only exist at high temperatures and ozone (from thunderstorms) isn't a plasma.
stargazer.gsfc.nasa.gov...

Now, you could certainly "cure" every ill someone had by exposing them to plasma, but the treatment would last about 5 seconds and they would be very, very dead.


(about the 16 patients cured) Well prove it didn't as there is alot of evidence from many professionals

You keep saying this... so could you link to something that has the names of these patients and what the cancers were and how they were diagnosed and how they were confirmed cured?


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posted on May, 19 2005 @ 09:16 AM
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I've actually read the practical limit on optical microscopes is X1250. Therefore anything that is X31,000 (or X17,000 depending on the source) would be absolutely revolutionary and be worth 10s of millions. Funny how the thing is left in a garage or something. Or is it also being "supressed"? lol

Slashpepper - your problem is that you are argueing with people who do not have even the most basic grasp of science and who enjoy wallowing in their own ignorance. While they know nothing it allows them to make vacuous and meaningless statements about all sorts of pseudoscientific crap without a twinge of embarresment.

Hunting Veritas - you started the thread with the question "Is this information true?". Well plenty of people with medical and scientific backgrounds have said "no, it's a load of hogwash" and you have choosen to ignore them. You demand that someone (who, if not the Drs and scientists you despise?) carry out tests on the (non-existant) Rife machine.

Well, no properly qualified scientist is going to waste their time with it. Not because they have been "conditioned" (or education as some call it), but because they work from the basic principles of their subject and know that it could never work, as it does not have any basis in science.

Imagine if I went up to an astronomer and said: "This guy, Dr Strife, in 1932 used a special telescope to look at the moon and found that at it's centre is a core of superdense cheese". He would probably say "What a load of rubbish, where is the scientific papers he published?" When I started going on about them being supressed or lost or whatever he would probably get quite irratated. If I then I then said "You've been conditioned by the establisment! You have to prove to me that there is no cheese at the centre of the moon, until then I will believe that there is" He would probably get irrate and throw me out of his office.

The point is that he doesn't need to check that the moon doesn't contain superdense cheese, he would work from all his other knowledge of the way moons are formed (and some common sense) and know that it is impossible.

If you conspiricy types are so confident that this machine will work then go out and build one and become the saviour of the human race. Really, get a company set up, persuade some investors and scientists of it's viability and get building a prototype from Rife's plans (do these exist??). You keep saying that other people should go and do this, but they obviously don't want to, so it's up to you guys to save us!





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