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NEWS: Boy Suspended After Talking To Mom In Iraq During Lunch Break

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posted on May, 6 2005 @ 09:52 PM
How pathetic. You would have thought staff would have made an exception.

I'm sure they'd think twice if they had friends/relatives serving in Iraq.

posted on May, 6 2005 @ 10:04 PM
The only way of looking at this is assuming that the mother got killed minutes after hanging up.

If that were to happen, the homes of that teacher and the principal should be burned down and the entire student body should piss in their ashes. Those are two awful human beings to force a kid who may never talk to his mother again in two seconds to stop talking to her.

There are two sides to the story. But only one side is legitimate.

posted on May, 6 2005 @ 11:55 PM
Georgia has an excellent school system. I want to hear both sides of the story here. Columbus is where I evacuated to when the hurricanes hit us. Its a nice area pretty much right next to the Alabama border. Im not believing it. I attended school there for 7 years. Then again theres always one or two people that are corrupt.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 12:09 AM

"Kevin got defiant and disorderly with Mr. Turner and another assistant principal," Parham said Thursday. "He got defiant with me. He refused to leave Mr. Turner's office. When a kid becomes out of control like that they can either be arrested or suspended for 10 days. Now being that his mother is in Iraq, we're not trying to cause her any undue hardship; he was suspended for 10 days."

Wendall Turner is another assistant principal at Spencer.

Parham said the student used profanity when he was taken into the office. He said he tried to work out something with the student. But Francois said he was too frustrated he couldn't answer the phone when his mother called him the second time.

"I even asked Kevin, 'You know we can try to work something out to where if your mother wants to call you she can call you at the school,'" Parham said. "So we've tried to work with Kevin and we're going to continue to try to work with Kevin and his mother and his relatives. In the course of good order and discipline, we have to abide by our policy."

Francois admitted he was partially at fault for his behavior but said he should have been allowed to talk to his mother.

Cuss out your teachers, and you are going to get in trouble. Sound's like some loud-mouth brat doesn't know how to behave like an adult. Some Mom's are in Iraq, some are plumbers in Florida, it doesn't matter. Learn to behave and you won't get in trouble.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 05:46 AM

Originally posted by curme
Cuss out your teachers, and you are going to get in trouble. Sound's like some loud-mouth brat doesn't know how to behave like an adult. Some Mom's are in Iraq, some are plumbers in Florida, it doesn't matter. Learn to behave and you won't get in trouble.

Loud mouth brat? He hasn't seen his mother in months. Do you know what it's like to love anyone serving in Iraq? You wait out every day hoping for the next word to confirm they are still alive out there. You can only pray they will make it home. There's a big difference between a family member serving in a war zone and a family member working in Florida.

As for cussing out teachers, of course it shouldn't happen. However, it's also been established that kids of this age have hair trigger responses to begin with, they are not totally in control of their responses due to a physical situation in the brain. Now this is a case of frustrating a person beyond even most adult ability to control themselves.

The other thing that bothers me here is the punishment is excessive even if this were not an extraordinary case. 10 days suspension for mouthing off? That's insane. Especially when the kids ability to progress is now in jeopardy since the school year is ending. The schools primary function is to teach. Zero tolerance rules for things like this leave no room to make sure the child gets the education our tax dollars pay for. It is inexcusable, and it's costing us.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 09:38 AM
Georgia has an excellent school system??? Georgia is one of the worst! Believe me, I've been to school long enough there to know.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 09:50 AM
Again, more crapola. You know what? If my mother called me from half way around the world in a war zone you'd better know that i would break every rule in order to speak to her- let them take me in handcuffs and lock me in solitary and even label me a terrorist.

I'll take the 10 days suspension anytime she called.

You'd think they could make allowances for these kids who are missing one or two parents and must worry to death and live daily just to get a call.

Dictatorship anyone?

Just who the hell do they think they are? SO, you got rules, thats fine and dandy....Along with rules there must be exceptions to the rules, such as something like this or a life or death situation.

God, i still wish my high school principal was alive- I'd pay him a visit now as an adult. Pardon my ranting but my Spanish blood just boils when i see something like this. On to the next horror story...........

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 10:27 AM
Well I think a LOT of people have e-mailed the school as mine was returned because they were over their limit. But of course I saved it and will send it again and again until it goes thru.

In an ideal world the kid wouldn't have cussed out the teacher but you know what -- I'm going to be 52 this month -- I am known to be very even tempered but even I would have cussed out the teacher if it were me. As I said earlier I would have gone ballistic if it happened to me.

I'm not saying the kid was right in his response and he should face some discipline but I'm afraid I would have reacted the same way he did.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:04 AM
Again, just imagine if the mother was killed right after the teach forced the kid to hang up. Just imagine...

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:34 AM
It occurs to me that there is another issue of couth involved here. Forgetting about the teacher-student-school relationship, for somebody to grab somebody's cell phone and hang it up, that takes a special kind of rudeness and disregard for respectful gentle conduct and manners.


posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:47 AM
The suspension has now been reduced to 3 days.

On Friday, the school district reduced the suspension to three days, which will allow Francois to return to school Monday.

School officials received many calls about the incident, said assistant principal Wendell Turner.

"People are fussing at us, calling us names," Turner said.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:56 AM
Hah, nice find.

Some more details are emerging in the wake of the reduced punishment:


Kevin Francois ... was in the school cafeteria on Wednesday when his mother, Sgt. 1st Class Monique Bates, called. When Francois went outside to get better reception, he was spotted by a teacher who told him to hang up, citing a district policy against cell phone use during school hours.

School district officials said Francois initially had not told the teacher that he was speaking with his mother in Iraq and had cursed when he was told to hang up.

"The teacher escorted the young man to the office, where assistant principals tried to get him to calm himself and to cease the use of profanity. It was only at this point that administrators learned he was talking to his mother in Iraq," Phillips said.

But Francois insists that he immediately told the teacher he was speaking to his mother: "I told her in a calm voice: "I'm on the phone with my Mom in Iraq. I'm not going to give you the phone.' "

Francois said he did become frustrated when the teacher took his phone. "I got some attitude," he said. "But I didn't curse. I just couldn't understand why I couldn't talk to her. I kept pleading and pleading."

Michelle Joyner of the National Military Family Association said any communication with a family member deployed in Iraq should be approached sensitively.

"Kids do need that contact," she said. "Just to hear and say hello, and be able to know that your loved one is safe."

Francois said his mother did not learn of his suspension until he e-mailed her a newspaper story. "She was mad," he said.

He said he looks forward to the monthly call from his mother, who left in January for a one-year tour of duty in Iraq.

It appears as though his use of profanity is actually a subject of contention. Perhaps the administration wasn't as unjust as has been speculated, but this will probably remain a case of student's-word-versus-the-teacher's.


posted on May, 7 2005 @ 12:11 PM
Man, look at that kid, you just want to send him a hug already.

I hope they straighten this out properly in the end. For heavens sake his mom must mean everything to him, I believe his dad is deceased.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 02:35 PM
Physically grabbing his cell phone, I'm a grown man but that would be one of the few circumstances (having a love calling from a war zone) I would have Physically reprimanded a person (regardless of age, sex, authority...). I mean wow, there is no reason for her to physically force him to hang up like that. And granted I'm usually against someone disrespecting "JUST" authority just for the hell of it but I would have cursed out (if I could control to impulse to clobber them) anybody who would have tried to interfere with my berating of that PERSON taking away the cell phone.

I remember during 9/11 my brother and sister were in their schools, and there was absolutely no way to check up on them, phone lines to school were dead from the volume of parents calling in. The only reason my mother didn't have a break down was because a few kids had snuck in cell phones and the students as well as the TEACHERS i might add used them to call their loved ones. On the other hand when I was back in college my best friend would call me during his finals for answers when the professor was distracted, so I can see both sides of the argument. Good thing they amended the suspension but honestly, I would have sent the kid home that day to calm down and discuss the situation the next day with a calm head because of the extreme circumstances involved.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 03:33 PM
Lets see isn't Georgia one of the hotbeds where they want the science class to teach religion/creationism instead of actual science?

Now they get ballistic about a boy talking on his lunch break to his mother that is fighting Bush's war in Iraq.

Can you say 'Inhumanism'?

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 03:45 PM

Following hundreds of angry phone calls and e-mails, school officials in this Army base city have reduced a suspension imposed on a student who wouldn't give up his cell phone while talking to his mom a sergeant on duty in Iraq.

The angry calls about the boy's suspension got so bad at one point that secretaries had to take their phones off the hook, assistant principal Alfred Parham said.

Kevin Francois, a 17-year-old junior at Spencer High School, was suspended for 10 days for disorderly conduct Wednesday after a teacher told him to give up his cell phone outside the school during his lunch break and he refused, the teen said.

The boy said he had not expected the call from his mother, Sgt. 1st Class Monique Bates, who left in January for a one-year tour.

The teacher says the confrontation happened in a hallway, not outside, and that Francois never said the call was with his mother.


The punishment for violating that policy is that the phone is confiscated until the end of the day. But Francois was suspended for cursing and being defiant, said Parham. That was extended to 10 because "he did not want to accept the three-day suspension and to agree that he would not use the cell phone openly or curse."

In my opinion, the foul-mouth, insolent little twerp should have been dismissed for the year, but for those who feel that schools have no right to impose standards and discipline, this development should assuage the outrage somewhat.

[edit on 05/5/7 by GradyPhilpott]

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 03:49 PM
Yes, the student should had informed the school about his mother call before the call.

Also the profanity is probably what got him suspended.

Yes Ga. schools rank in the worst schools in the country when it comes to quality of education.

Also students history knowledge has become some controversial that is pathetic our students history is lacking after a study done.

But they one to teach "Religion/Science" in school, it makes you wonder.

The SAT scores were so low, that now they are not required for entering a two year college anymore.

Our students can not even tell what is in the Constitution or recite the national anthem but they are good enough for "Religion/science" extra class. Who needs history when you got the bible and Jesus.

BTW the picture of the boy does look like a nice good looking kid. I am glad he only got 3 days.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 05:07 PM
wow expelled for wanting to talk about to his mother in a middle of a very dangerous war zone, it's not like she's station in Germany or south Korea where there a no current hostilities. I mean bad manners in general, for no reasons especially disgust me in people. However if provoked like someone physically taking away your private property under this specific circumstances is somewhat understandable, if you don’t think so you must have never been or had a love one in a harsh and far-off situation where you have little contact with then and have a legitimate fear for that person's life. he should have been sent home that same day and then brought back in the next day after he had cool down and suspended for 3-5 days, but the circumstances under which this happened would call for some leniency. It’s not like he was talking to his girlfriend or some other childish/selfish endeavor. Many people much older and more level headed would not have stopped at just insults and cursing if some physically and forcefully cut off what could be a critical, maybe even be one of the last if not THE LAST communications you could have with a loved one in a life threatening situation.

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 05:51 PM

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

In my opinion, the foul-mouth, insolent little twerp should have been dismissed for the year, but for those who feel that schools have no right to impose standards and discipline, this development should assuage the outrage somewhat.

[edit on 05/5/7 by GradyPhilpott]

Grady, love your posts, but I always thought you were human, geez

He's not the one who went to war, he is the one left behind, he is a kid.

BTW, from my experience with these communtications, the family does not get forewarning that a call may be coming through.

You know what? I would rather see the Bushies win on this one and put nothing before our troops. Not the silly indiscrimate rules made up willy nilly, that dont work in real life!

The school should have come totatlly clean on this one! "we made an error of judgement, we will correct ourselves for the future."

[edit on 5/7/2005 by Relentless]

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 06:28 PM
I am human and I think if the boy had conducted himself appropriately he probably could have finished his call, under the circumstances.

Communication is not what it used to be. When I was in Vietnam, we relied on a network of amateur operators named MARS, who did phone patches so servicemen could talk to loved ones back home. I got one.

Today, cell phones are ubiquitous and from what I can tell, calls home are not so rare that an interrupted call is that big a deal.

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