Off_The_Street you know, you're alright, I like ya.. even if you are a skeptical jerk who equates himself with James Randi. Why do you do that btw..
are you celebate too? I met him once eh? Back in the GEnie network days.. 94 or so.. Jim Speizer too.. yup.. I .. use .. to .. be .. just .. likeyou!
I even have a few issues of Skeptic and Skeptical Inquirer around you know? I give them to college kids I meet when we talk about stuff like this,
because I prefer for them to get grounded in science first before talking about "mystical things" with me so that they know they must come to the
discussion without a "head in the clouds" so to speak. Get what I mean?
I am actually a skeptic by birth, my father is a chem teacher and I had every single junior chemistry set there was when I was very young. Actually, I
miss doing little projects with him now that I think about it. Anyways..
Then I realized that science does not have all the answers.. and being a skeptic and just knocking flakey or semi flakey topics all the time is a sure
way to never 'get any'.. chicks dig guys who are in to flakey stuff.. trust me. Do you have any idea how easy it is to get laid these days with the
pick up line....
"Whats your sign?" It probablly works better now then it did 20 years ago.
You'll also be miserable for a number of other reasons.. but I won't go there right now.. we can yip on this some other time..
For now.. back to the discussion..
It’s ANFO, not AGRO, and yes, you’d be a suspect. But that’s not because you did it, it’s because the cops are paranoid.
No, actually I ment AGRO and said AGRO and that is what I was refering to when I said it.. yeah ANFO is the short form for the actually specific mix
of stuff but speaking in general AGRO is acceptable and MOST people know what you are talking about.
Google something before you correct someone eh?
AGRO BOMB TERROR!
Because you see, then I have to take up space to correct you. And this just gets repetiative and wastefull after awhile, you know?
And THIS.. THIS.. this is just embarressing..
Whom did you pay for your spell checker? You should get your money back LOL!
Falling back on the old, "My spelling is better then your spelling." internet debating tactic? Man, I mean I DID think you were smart.. (not as
smart as me.. or as smart as you THINK you are) but now.. I dunno man. Actually, my BP was up high, but because I was rushing to get the post done,
and not going over my spelling.. there was much more I wanted to ask and go over but.. waitaminute.. actually isn't there an unwritten rule that says
you have now already LOST this debate because you did that? Doesn't that mean that I win and that Chemtrails are real?
FOR THE FREEKING RECORD (!!!!!!!)
I have NEVER EVER said "Chemtrails are a REAL and OBSERVABLE phenomina."
What I DID SAY (basically) is that.. there have been some REPORTS (conveniently 'leaked') and I read a really strange suggestion (or two) in a few
enviromental science journals that have got me T-H-I-N-K-I-N-G (do you remember doing that once up on a time before you learned EVERYTHING and got
bored with thinking?) about some of the things I had read about the CHEMTRAIL phenomina... and I wanted to share what I had BEEN THINKING about
lately... I wanted OPINIONS about the two or three REFERENCES I had been looking over for the last little while and if perhaps there....
... WAS A CONNECTION BETWEEN THEM!
Which is what I had asked, no? I said (basically... right from the get go)
"Gee, man I dunno what to think, I'm no scientist.. I'm just a dumb guy who CARES about his and everyone else's one single planet that we have to
live on.. and I have this BAD BAD BAD feeling when I look up at the sky and see it covered in white 'stuff' that just sits there all day and slowly
spreads out and .. I just DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW ICE CAN DO THAT."
But now I understand.. that if you actually say online (at least here in ATS) something that you don't understand and want clarification on...
.. some smart ass jack ass will use your comment or question as their sig in the hopes (I suppose) of embarressing you because you don't understand
something.
Really cool.. I can tell.. you guys are very complex and open mined creatures and enjoy coming down off your extremely high horse and discussing
science with us meer single celled organisims who have no REAL science background.. just an interest in whats going on.. makes this a nice place to
hang out.. really.
So sorry I irritated you with my speculation. I'll applogise in advance NOW for the next time it will happen.. because you all (nearly) seem easilly
irritated and I don't want to make enemies here.
So .. SORRY! (okay?)
Now continuing on..
My god man.. it just gets worse though doesn't it...
Soap-Box, actually. And yes, “chem-trails” are a pet peeve of mine, because the whole talk about them, in addition to being a cruel hoax
believed by well-meaning but ignorant people, is a deliberate slap to my profession, my employer, the military of which I am a proud veteran, and my
country.
And the USA military has NEVER TESTED ANYTHING on an unsuspecting people,
eh?
I'll leave that at that. Yeah you guys in the US military did some good work about 50 years ago.. but since then.. time to break up the band and do
solo acts or something. You haven't had any hits in awhile ya know? And the fans? Don't get me started.. they've left you in droves..
.. and now some of them are hiding up here from your next release.
Actually.. I can finish this up really quick (your welcome)...
I do appreciate that there are atmospheric conditions that can cause trails to stay around... but "FILL A SKY"? come on now...
if that is just contrails... then they need to do something about all that pollution... If I wanted to live in a cloudy part of the country, I would
move to alaska. I live in Oklahoma, where if you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes... it will blow right over (except for these)...
1. So, can you attest that a few planes leaving contrails would literally fill a sky, and thicken... and not leave an effect on our environment? (con
or chem)
2. Can you also attest that there are common weather control experiments being conducted by airplanes in out in the open experiments and processes?
(i can introduce you to a few cloud seeders if you want... nice farmer types)
3. Can you also attest that there are air dispersal experiments being done, with pesticides, funguscides and other agents (including lightly
radioactive powders to study the spread of a "cropduster type terror attack") That would technically be called "chemtrails"? (in the news all the
time)
OTS, these are all facts... ones that can slap you in the face... and you know it...
so lets start here, and see if there might be any other devious "not so open" studies being done with fuel additives to allow planes to have more
persistant smog/con trails than usual...
probably for the purpose of affecting the weather... which is already being done openly by universities and labs,
so is that such a strech?
Exactly what I'm trying to get at but the brother just said it better then me.
(thanks dude)
AND AND AND.. I WASN"T actually trying to GET AT anything..
I DO NOT HAVE AN ADJENDA TO PROOVE THAT CHEMTRAILS EXIST!
Almost every thing I've said ABOUT THEM.. has been speculation (because.. simply.. we can't KNOW the truth as to what the military is doing at
30,000 feet.. and they will never tell us either) or a QUESTION about the science involved.
So I'll repeat.. UNLIKE THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A SERIOUS (it seems) GOAL TO DEBUNK AND SHOOT DOWN ANYONE EVEN WHO GIVE A MENTION OF CHEMTRAILS... I have
no adjenda.. and could care less if they exist or not.. well.. no.. thats not true either.. if they DO exist.. then actually I'm very angry.. VERY
ANGRY!
But I do NOT KNOW if they exist AND I"M NOT A WEATHER MAN OR PILOT!
I just see # in the sky and I want to know why.
And yeah.. you might see some trails in an old video.. and for sure.. I've seen the Battle over Britain too (I have it next to me actually) .. but
I'd be willing to bet.. that those trails didn't hang in the air ALL DAY either.
And WHY.. since it was a REALLY cold day today.. were there none in the sky AT ALL today?
What is up with that?
Like we're talking WINTER cold here today... (sucks big time) .. and no trails. Why? I don't get it.
SORRY GUYS!!! I"M JUST A DUMB GUY AND I HAVE SOME SPECULATION AND SOME QUESTIONS! Thats all... for instence...
So what else is new? I have seen condensation trails turn a clear sky into an overcast sky myself. And I have explained, in agonizing detail,
exactly why it happens and it is a perfectly normal occurrence which follow exactly the basic laws of physics, and I have done it at least a hundred
times, half of which were on this very forum.
You think.. let me get this straight.. that the ability for a commerical airline company to turn the sky black and dark and #ty is "NORMAL" for some
reason.. tell me HOW THAT IS FRELLING NORMAL? SINCE WHEN IS IT "ACCEPTABLE" FOR ANYONE DO TO SUCH A THING?!
You have a strange idea of normal. AND THIS is the problem.. not if there is some governement conspiracy though I WOULD NOT put it past them.. which
is the ONLY thing I was getting at really - concidering there would be a 'good reason' apparently for them to do it - based on the alarming reports
on the enviroment.
... some of you though.. really .. you need chill out when someone wants to talk about something.. really guys.. you need to like.. not put someones
question in to your sig.. because.. it really just makes you look like pricks.
I never came here to proove anything.. unlike SOME PEOPLE in here.. who feel that they must DEFEND THEIR COUNTRY.. like as if it would DEFEND YOU if
it ever came down to it. They would string your ass up in a heart beat if it ment their profits.. so I don't know why in your right mind you seem to
be so dead set on prooving that there is "NOTHING GOING ON and STOP BEING SO DAMN STUPID WHILE YOUR AT IT" ... interesting no?
I would rather know the truth.. keep digging.. find out what makes them think that its acceptable for them to polute that much (if it IS going on)..
and if it comes down to it... kill them if they think that they can destroy the planet EVEN A LITTLE BIT for money.
I have to wonder when I read stuff like this though..
www.holmestead.ca...
And then there is this..
www.rense.com...
I just want to know.. why are they finding these chemicals all over the place where THEY SHOULD NOT BE (in our back yards.. I don't care how its
frelling getting there.. or if you think ITS NORMAL.. its not and it has to stop).
Something that always makes me wonder about "chem-trails" is why don't "they" just simply do it on overcast days?
No one would notice then would they?
I would think that they do do it then too.. (if its being done - do I have to put that disclaimer on everything now too? that won't be fun anymore!).
How would you know that they are not? OR MAYBE.. they don't have to do it because IT IS about stopping some heat from hitting us.
You know, that panic thing they worry about?
LOL! I love that.. that sums it up for EVERY REASON the governement does whatever it does.. because of either OUR panic.. or THEIRS!
This statement makes Vis's entire argument not even worth acknolwedgement in my opinion.
OH!!! YOUR STILL UNDER THE IMPRESSION.. even AFTER I said it in the LAST POST THAT YOU WERE QUOTEING.. that I was arguing? Even after I said "I'm
not trying to put together some big debate or arguement here." and the other skeptidork said "GOOD!" .. but you still think I was doing ANYTHING
ELSE other then speculating?
And btw.. no.. I was around in the 80s and the skys were never turned overcast by airplane trafffic. Never.
It DID NOT HAPPEN back then.. so the fuel has changed or something else is up.. or the physics has changed perhaps (well okay thats a stretch.. but
anyways)!
AND BTW.. the only thing that got me to come back to this thread was this..
www.surfingtheapocalypse.net...
NO dude.. its NOT PROOF.. just someone else asking the same questions I am.. why don't you get an account over there and then you can get a whole
bunch of people thinking about things for you to put in your sig... since you have nothing interesting to put in that space.. other then ridicule
people who want to know things. Hard to deny ignorence when you can get attacked for it eh? Which in itself is a pretty ignorent thing to do.
A$$holes... I swear man!
TO THE REST of you... thank you for continuing to THINK and to ASK QUESTIONS here... YOU make ATS a FUN and ENJOYABLE place to be.
Actually.. you know what.. I change my mind. I don't like you dude.. because people like you and Roark have to build yourselves up by shooting other
people down... and EVERY SINGLE PERSON I HAVE EVER MET LIKE THAT always prooves to me that they have MAJOR problems in the end. Doesn't matter if
they are a 'geek' or a 'jock' .. when you belittle someone because they WANT TO KNOW something .. your not smart.. or even intellegent.. just sad
and because of my life experiences.. I know to SERIOUSLY avoid people like yourselves.
Back to you OTHER people who make ATS a fun place for me to be.. this is one of the BEST FREEKING SITES ON THE NET!
WOO HOO!!! YEAH ATS!!! YOU FRELLING ROCK ON MAN!!!
But its guys like LazarusTheLong that make it like that because they are willing to THINK and ASK QUESTIONS.. and guys like ANOK because I can tell
from a mile away that guy knows how to have a good time.. obviously.
Anyone in here who decided to go off on me 'for making an arguement' which I wasn't doing.. then going on and on about how silly I am for asking
questions about what I'm seeing.. needs to ...
A) Apoligise to me
B) Get a frelling life and pay attention before attacking someone
But I'm pretty sure you won't do either of them.
Oh and please.. keep my question in your sig.. it will remind me which one of you is the super prick who I shall pay back eventually (you jerk!). I'm
sure I could dig around your posts and find SOMETHING that was poorly typed in a rush to try and give you a hard time too.. but.. I want to get laid
this evening.. and I'd never .. ever .. do that to another member.. its called respect a$$hole.
Actually.. I'm abandoning this topic in a moment.. but what REALLY drove me crazy here.. was that I SAID I wasn't trying to make ANY aguement or
debate here.. and PEOPLE STILL refered to my post as such! SLOW LEARNERS OR WHAT?!
Man, and I thought I was a dumb guy.
[edit on 12/5/2005 by Vis Mega]
