Don’t worry, Laz, even though he’s quoting independent scientific studies, you notice that he’s still taking things out of context, like quoting
a 13-year-old discussion of
theoretical approaches as though it were
proof of a Huge Secret Plot, like he did in the National
Academies Press. Sort of like reading Edmund Teller’s suggestion to use H-bombs to dig channels as proof that we’re using H-bombs right now to
dig channels.
My god man.. this is SO a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
If I wrote a paper discussing the fact that congress should be blown up (say with an Agro Bomb) in a radical act of patriotism (for WHATEVER reason -
not important.. just that there is a 'reason') .. then a few years later WDC is NUKED and there are indications that it was DONE for the REASONS I
HAD TALKED ABOUT IN MY PAPER.. who do you think they are going to suspect? You think just because I suggested years prior that it should be done with
an Agro bomb and instead it got nuked for the exact same reasons (letter with demands is sent) that I specified in my paper years earlier.. that I'M
NOT a valid suspect?
I never said btw.. "HERE IS TOTAL UNDENIABLE PROOF OF GOV COVER UP OF WEATHER MANIPULATION AND THE CHEMTRAIL PHEMONINA!"
Did I?
No I didn't. All I said was "Gee, once up on a time they thought that we were in such serious trouble that this HAD to be done .. and soon .. and
then we see what is going on in our skies.. COULD THERE BE A CONNECTION?! I think there is!"
All I said. I'm not trying to debate here.. all I was doing was sharing my opinion and WHY I think that this is going on and WHY I think there is a
conspiracy. I'm NOT TRYING to put together a super serious legal like argument accusing ANYONE of specifically DOING THIS... just sharing my opinion.
Someone else made a funny joke about how I went about doing it.. and THEN (thanks again btw!)...
.. then you go and proove him right. You basically made his point for him, because the second you saw my links which were JUST BITS of information
pointing to the fact that SOMEONE SOMEWHERE at SOME POINT decided that there was a serious problem with the amount of sunlight we are getting dosed
with and that SOMETHING needed to be done about it.. you attacked it like as though I had said "Here is SERIOUS PROOF that this is going on." And I
didn't. You prooved Laz's point right away.. its great.
Its like I bet you are sitting there.. and you see my 'opinion' and my 'reasons for why I believe what I believe' and you were like so excited
that there was someone you could suggest is a complete fool for trying to make others understand his point of view because THAT is basically what I
was doing.. "This is what I believe.. here is WHY I believe it.. this IN MY MIND is enough to tell me - and 1000s of other bits of info I've picked
up - that SOMETHING is happening here." .. and instead of saying "Gee, well thanks for sharing those links but I don't think thats enough for ME to
believe in Chemtrails." .. THATS ALL you had to say.. but instead you want to play "James Randi" to my Uri Geller..
Well I am not Uri Geller and YOU my friend are NOT James Randi.
I'm going to pull apart your attacking of my opinion then I'm not dealing with crap like this anymore..
Vis Mega quotes a Pentagon report saying that climate change is a real danger as though it were
proof of a Huge Secret Plot … Hey!
He does that a
lot doesn’t he?
Gee... yeah sorry to give some links that I've been reading that are the reasons why I believe that something is going on.. its much better to just
come in to a thread discussion and start shooting my mouth off. And I didn't quote anything.. and I never said it was PROOF.. in fact, I don't think
I could have been anymore like .. "Well.. I dunno guys.. here read this and tell me what you think. See the connection? See what I'm getting at
here? This is why I believe this Chemtrail thing has some merit." And you just got rabid over it.. like as if you had a stake in making sure the
truth doesn't get out by ridiculing me (though it didn't work.. you are instead.. proving Laz's point). AND.. you arn't origional either.. your
tone and the way you picked apart my innocent little post on the matter.. is SO reminicent of the ignorent debunkers of days past.. and ANYONE would
agree.. that your arguement is way weak dude... concidering statments like..
"He quotes it LIKE PROOF! of a conspiracy!"
.. though I never did..
Sort of like reading a report coming out that deforestation in the Amazon is damaging the atmosphere, and using that as
real proof that
we’re going to declare war on Brazil, right? I mean, hey, it’s the same logic, isn’t it?
OMG! LOL! ITS SO NOT THE SAME THING! What is wrong with you man??
Who is paying your salery to deflect any critisim of the subject in such a poor way? They should get their money back.
I don't even understand THAT point you are trying to make. What I said was basically.. "See this report? Well .. it makes me feel like there is NO
WAY they would see this sort of thing coming and NOT do anything about it.. that is the way I FEEL about it."
Where does this have to do with "EVIDENCE" or "PROOF"? Hell if I had proof I totally would not be sitting here straightening YOU out.. I'd be
spreading the PROOF around instead of trying to ENGAGE IN CONVERSATION ABOUT WHY I FEEL THIS MIGHT BE GOING ON! And YOU could have INSTEAD in ANY WAY
once so ever, said "Gee, well.. thats just not enough for me.. but wow.. neet article.. hope it doesn't come to that!"
But you didn't. You attacked what I BELIEVE and have announced that I'm claiming I have proof of a conspiracy.. I don't have PROOF.. just a lot of
bits and pieces of information.. and they add up.. yeah its circumstancial.. but do you really think ANY OF US are going to get ACTUAL proof of the
goings on if they ARE going on? No.. so you got to go on what you have.. and what I have is the FACT that the skies didn't look like that when I was
a child. THE FACT that the 'contrails' I am seeing COVERING THE SKIES (some of you who have SEEN the work being done before wouldn't BELIEVE how
bad it looks above Ottawa right now) did NOT happen prior to the 1990s.. not the way it does these days. THE FACT that ice crystals should NOT be able
to linger in the sky in direct sun all day when I can't even keep a beer cool in this weather. Its also interesting that the trails are WORSE on
bright sunny days. It doesn't make any sense.. so what I'm saying is "See look at these reports.. do they indicate to you if there is a program in
the works that they are not telling us about?" .. pretty harmless.. you MUST have an adjenda because of how rabid you are in your attack ON ME.. not
on my data.. which I believe is a violation of the rules here.
BUT ANYWAYS!
Lets go on ...
Or for that matter, why don't you just start blathering about the gulf current slowing to 25% of its previous decades flowrate... or the
coincidental timely occurence of tornados in new locations like england or louisiana.
There you go, laz. Some more great logic. The gulf current is slowing down, therefore it
must be “chem-trails”. Not only that, but
since there are now tornados in Louisiana and England, that’s
further proof that there are “chem-trails” and that these very same
“chem-trails” cause those tornados.
He NEVER said that the CHEMTRAILS are CAUSING this phenomina. What we are SAYING is THAT THIS IS HAPPENING.. and that there is PROBABLLY something
underway to PREVENT what the PENTAGON REPORT IS SUGGESTING might happen. They KNEW this stuff was going to happen back in the late 80s when it started
becoming CLEAR that SOMETHING VERY DRASTIC was happening to our planets weather system.. and they made MANY very increadable suggestions ON HOW TO
STOP THE CHANGES THAT WERE OCCURING. So all we are BOTH saying is.. "Don't you think that they would TRY some of these suggestions they were
suggesting back then, to block sunlight and to mitigate the C02 damage? Sounds reasonable that they WOULD TRY SOMETHING to prevent us all from
roasting on slow bake right?" and you are attacking it like we claimed we have the solution and the answer to the whole operation.. we don't .. we
are just presenting the bits of evidence.. the CLUES .. in much the same way that the police would do research and collect bits of evidence and clues
to figure out who committed the crime OR.. in some cases.. if a crime was commited.
Your logic ... the logic you are using to say OUR logic is flawed.. IS FLAWED.
We just presented some bits of info as to WHY we think there is PROBABLLY this campaign going on.. because if you add up all the pieces of info.. it
appears that something is going on. Are you so offended by our circumstancial theorys and reasons that you have to come out against us like
you have? Your tone makes me feel like perhaps you either have a stake in the adjenda.. or you feel you have to proove that anyone who believes in the
possiblity of a conspiracy is "not as smart as you are" and "can't even form a decent argument using usefull studies and links" ... its like you
know..
IF THERE WAS a huge explosion in San Fran Bay... and it was mildly radioactive for awhile (1000 years) afterwards.. don't you think .. that perhaps..
SOMEONE decided that Tellers ideas had merit? Or do you go with the governments line that some terrorists were trying to sink S.F.?
What WE are saying.. is the our global weather system is having issues, and that people in the past have proposed some strange ideas (other then just
reducing emissions, and changing the worlds lifestyle the EASY way - volentarilly - instead of being forced to change when the planet goes in to final
and complete chaos) and HERE is something going on in the skies above us that REALLY FITS the suggestions of the past.. and seems like something they
might be doing to block sunlight. Or block the ground from spy sats perhaps. MAYBE they ARE releasing germs in to the world, its SO far fetched.. it
CAN"T be possible right - except if they DID do it.. no one would be around after to accuse them of wrong doing - not to mention all of those dead
microbiologists that have happened JUST SINCE 9-11.
Your arguement.. is that since we don't have SOLID PROOF.. our 'reasons' for why we 'feel' there is a conspiracy.. then our 'feelings' as to
what might be going on.. are COMPLETELY without merit, and we are fools for thinking this way. Well.. I don't know A BETTER why to FIND solid proof
then to start looking in to these sorts of old publications.. that is .. I mean.. USUALLY that is how research is done.
And I don't understand what your problem with it being "An Independent Study" either.. I don't think it was independent actually..
Actually had you checked MY FACTS .. (heh.. can't even check the facts that are sitting RIGHT in front of you.. you have a lot of learning to do
before you become anywhere near a decent debunker) .. you'd see that.. that first publication was..
Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Base
National Academy of Sciences, National Academy of Engineering, Institute of Medicine
Hardly independent.
Three US gov research branches (or whatever you'd call them). THEY THOUGHT that SOMETHING had to be done to fix the situation we had gotten ourselves
in to. So you think they just DROPPED it all of a sudden. In the fact of that other leaked pentagon document.. do you REALLY believe that they would
just stand by and let it happen? I think not. I THINK (but I do not have proof.. sorry if that makes me foolish) that they would try to do something
along the lines of what they suggested.. and I think that is what we are seeing in the skies above us. Because it WASN"T going on in the 80s.. so for
SOME REASON.. now a days.. the sky can be made WHITE by jet polution. AT THE LEAST.... they changed the fuel maybe? Why is it that those lines are
being made then? There has to be a reason.. and do NOT tell me they are regular contrails.. BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT!
I remember from when I was a child HOW contrails looked when they would appear behind a jet.. my mom and I use to LOVE watching a couple of them in
formation on those rare occasions when we would see them up north. And when I was VERY YOUNG, I use to think that the plane was pulling a ribbon
behind it.. because as the plane moved forward.. the very END of the contrail itself WOULD DISAPPATE... like they are suppose to. What changed that
now the entire sky is painted the way it is these days? You know, I'd even sorta believe that perhaps a portion of the atmosphere has been screwed
with and THAT is why the contrails are forming more rapidly and lasting longer and turning in to clouds.. making a nice blue sky completely white.
But.... that isn't what happened.
Who KNOWS why this is happening.. I can only speculate.. no one was claiming to have the answers man.. so why don't you back off?
You are SO off base here...
Don’t worry, Laz. Vis Mega isn’t letting you down by using either truth or logic. He’s coming up with a list of a whole bunch of Bad
Things the cause of which he really isn’t sure, and arbitrarily blaming them on “chem-trails” as opposed to the Little Purple Men From
Arcturus.
You are just being ignorent now. Funny concidering your sig. NO ONE claimed that chemtrails were PROOF of climate change. He was just saying how
CLIMATE CHANGE is occuring and that the gov WOULD PROBABLLY be inclinded to do 'something' about it.. as indicated in these old publications. Why do
you have to be like that man? This was a nice discussion. Almost a nice debate untill you started with the personal attacks. And MISINTURPRETING what
we are suggesting. You didn't read.. you just looked for an attack opening and went to it.. and everyone can see that for themselves.
Of course it does! Since this is a thread about “chem-trails”, then you’re not going to be like Vis Mega and his “straw man”
argument, right? You would never quote an article about a particular phenomenon and then arbitrarily blame it on something you want -- without any
evidence, would you?
Do you come here JUST to slam people who post? JUST to ridicule us? I never made any STRAW MAN argument. In fact.. if you REREAD my inital post.. I
make NO CLAIMS and no ARGUEMENT.. I just presented some facts that indicate to ME that I'm on to something here.. possibly the reason for the
spraying or if its happening at all for that matter (like I said.. could just be exhaust.. but if it is.. its gotta stop.. its way too bad these days
and they have to find a solution to stop painting the skies white with pollution). We are just discussing stuff here.. NO ONE is making ANY CLAIMS..
IN FACT..
I said.. AT THE START OF MY POST...
"I dunno... I think something is up..."
Does that sound like a statement someone makes when they are TRYING DESPERATELY to proove something.. like you are trying to proove how we are (as
your sig says) ignoramouses? I'm surprised actually that anyone deals with you here since it seems like your just here to debunk everything
(extremely poorly at that) and laugh at all of us. Nice life man. Personally I'm a bit more open minded.. not SO open minded that my brain falls
out.. but there have been HISTORICALLY MANY cases of govs exparamenting on their populations.. so its not a stretch to believe this COULD be going on.
So if you don't mind.. we're going to keep discussing it until we verify FINALLY if its actually happening.. OR WHY it is happening.
(personally there is NO DOUBT that it IS happening.. I can see it for frell sake.. its just WHY is it happening like that is what I want to know)
Let me show you MORE evidence that you have gone WAY OVER THE LINE OF BASIC RESPECT FOR YOUR FELLOW MEMBER.. see my last line in the initial post Mr
Smarty Pants..
You think those are ALL ice crystals?
Yeah right. At the LEAST its exhaust from the engines.. and it must stop.
See? I make NO SUGGESTION as to WHY IT IS HAPPENING... BECAUSE I DON"T KNOW.. all I have is some research pointing to the fact that this might be
happening. I DO NOT KNOW WHY so why would I try to make an argument for one case or another? I'm just speculating. Like I do with all of this stuff..
BECAUSE its entertaining to me. People like you.. YOU are the ones taking this stuff WAY WAY WAY too seriously.. and getting so emotionally wrapped up
in the idea that people might suspect that there is some sort of conspiracy.. you just instinctively attack.. its really telling actually.
And here is just ANOTHER of your insane connection making mind.. like NO ONE suggested that all this stuff that is happening is the RESULT of the
chemtrails.. man, WHAT ARE YOU ON MAN!?
And I suppose this is caused by "chem-trails", too?
Actually if you had done a SHREAD of research on the subject you'd know that actually NO ONE KNOWS if we are getting MORE or LESS sunlight.. the
research and exparaments and data gathering by different organisations all get different results.. I've seen papers saying there is MORE sun now..
and others saying there is LESS sun now. Who knows. But no one said it had anything to do with Chemtrails. What I THINK might be happening.. is that
they are USING the powered aluminum to block SOME sun so that we don't bake or so the climate doesn't change to rapidly.
Its just what I THINK. I don't have any proof so calm down already.
Its really odd how you came out at us for just sharing our reasoning.
VMX
You said what I wish I'd said to our professional de-bunker. 
