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Chemtrails Confirmed

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posted on May, 5 2005 @ 08:35 AM
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14 minute version instead of the 3 minute version that's currently doing the rounds on the web.

Here is evidence offered by the award-winning reporter who first broke this story.

Multimedia Stream Here - Windows Media Player




posted on May, 5 2005 @ 10:27 AM
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I will have to wait until tonight to see this,

So is this Will Thomas’s , Cliff Carnicom’s or do we have a new “filmmaker on the scene?

I hope it is someone new, since Thomas is nothing but a shill for his books and videos and Carnicom have been proven to be wrong so many times, it’s a wonder he can find his way home at night.

It would be nice to have some fresh meat to debunk.




posted on May, 5 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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I watched the clip, is quite interesting.

Are they really sure that they are chemtrails, and not just normal contrails. Surely the thickness the time they linger will vary according to atmospheric conditions? On Some of clear the footage of the aircraft the trails do seem to originate out of the engines, as do normal contrails.



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 01:35 PM
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Ok, Just found out about chemtrails are.....I went to urbandictionary.com and if the definition is correct I would have to say it's kind of..well, Looney!

Would'nt the pilots know about this? and report it cause it's sooo bad.

WHat about the enlisted emmebers that have to load it up and accouint for it? If it were real im sure some of them would say something.

Can someone please give me an easy definition of a chemtrail....?
no complicated words please?



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 01:48 PM
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If chemtrails are true, then the chemicals would have to be integrated and burned with the fuel...
thereby reducing the number of people that were aware it was happening...
I have seen a clear sky become cloudy from these spreading chemtrails alone, so chem or con, they affect our weather... and sunlight persistance...

A true conspiracy needs few people in the "know" so delivery via fuel integration is the only way i see it as possible...

of course there are the documented cases of weather manipulation by various labs and universities... but they call that process intentional cloud seeding.



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 02:03 PM
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What in the video confirms the chemtrails are not contrails?



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
If chemtrails are true, then the chemicals would have to be integrated and burned with the fuel...
thereby reducing the number of people that were aware it was happening...
I have seen a clear sky become cloudy from these spreading chemtrails alone, so chem or con, they affect our weather... and sunlight persistance...

A true conspiracy needs few people in the "know" so delivery via fuel integration is the only way i see it as possible...

of course there are the documented cases of weather manipulation by various labs and universities... but they call that process intentional cloud seeding.


Under your scenario, how many people would have to be in on it.

Well to start with, at what point is the mythical “mono-chemtane-n-2,3, barium” (also known as “chemgoop”) added to the fuel?

The oil companies test jet fuel (and all petroleum fuels) at every step in the process from production at the refinery, to the pipeline transportation to delivery. These tests are important maintain quality and to check for contaminants. Even the addition of a small amount of “chemgoop” is likely to change important parameters such as specific gravity, flashpoint, density, etc.

So if the chemgoop is added to the fuel early in the process, then either all the data from the QAQC laboratories would have to be fudged, or the analysts in on this also.

Then of course you have to consider the effect of the chemgoop on the engine performance. Since it would be impossible for the chemgoop to have the same energy value as plain old jet fuel, you would see a drop off in the efficiency of the engines running the ‘gooped fuel. Thus the fuel costs would increase for these flights. It is amazing that none of the airline operators have noticed that, or are they in on it too?

Then of course there is the wear and tear on the engine itself. Since engines are designed to operate with specific fuel blends, changing those blends would impact the rate of wear and tear on the internal components. Thus if the engines started wearing out and needing maintenance faster then the manufacturers recommendations, don’t you think some one would notice? Oh, the airline mechanics are in on it also, not to mention the engineers and who design and build these engines.

Then of course there are the tons of tanker trucks delivering the ‘goop to all of the distribution points across the U.S. and the world. Certainly you don’t think that all jet fuel is made in one or two locations do you? Who loads these trucks, dispaches them and arranges for the introduction of the ‘goop to the fuel?

How many people are in on our little fantasy now?





[edit on 5-5-2005 by HowardRoark]



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 02:38 PM
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On the Art Bell show, this has been dis-cussed in great detail, including pilots, insiders, and various professionals for over a decade now.
Seems the main theories are to ~aid~ the ozone depletion.
Do not know what they are spraying over other areas, but chemicals are being sprayed in my area..It leaves a scummy film on cars and children?



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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And you haven’t figured out yet that Art Bell deliberately has kooks on his show?

BTW, there has never been one case of a professional pilot, or a bone fide atmospheric scientist that believes in chemtrails.



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by siriuslyone
It leaves a scummy film on cars and children?


BTW, lots of things leave a scummy film on children. I suggest a good bath every night, and if the scum winds up on the sides of the tub, then switch to a different brand of soap.



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
And you haven’t figured out yet that Art Bell deliberately has kooks on his show?

BTW, there has never been one case of a professional pilot, or a bone fide atmospheric scientist that believes in chemtrails.


No sense arguing about this point, may I just use the old adage..
"Time will tell" hope we are still breathing....



posted on May, 5 2005 @ 03:07 PM
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Time will tell indeed, as fewer and fewer people fall for the chemtrail hoax.

After reaching it's peak in the years 2000-2002, the chemtrail hoax has lost much of its steam (
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Most of the major chemtrail forums have dwindled down to a handful of posters who who spend little effort or time talking about chemtrails.






[edit on 5-5-2005 by HowardRoark]


apc

posted on May, 5 2005 @ 10:14 PM
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Well atleast that little story video is right about one thing
"You'll be surprised how many people are noticing the unusual proliferation of jet-trails, but don't know what they're seeing."
Hit it on the head with that one...

I also love how I have personal experience that contradicts the opening statements... as I clearly remember being a child in the 80's (yeah Im a youngin I know..) and being so intently curious about the condensation trails I saw that were really spread out and lasting for hours on end. I of course realized they were just jet-trails, but I thought it was just so neat that they could last so long and spread out so wide.

But I guess they were spraying then, too!

It's amazing what people will buy into when it is accompanied by crappy techno mixes and fifty cent CG animations.



posted on May, 6 2005 @ 10:57 AM
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So this video, it actually doesn't confirm chemtrails at all. Ok.



posted on May, 6 2005 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
So this video, it actually doesn't confirm chemtrails at all. Ok.


Chemtrails Confirmed is the name of the video.



posted on May, 6 2005 @ 11:43 AM
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Yes, I understand that, but, if you notice, the title of this post here is 'chemtrails are not confirmed'. I don't know who to beleive! I don' t think I am lying, and my post is newer and more up to date than that video. I guess, I will just have to go based on my title, rather than theirs.

Or is there somethign in the video that demonstrates there are chemtrails, as opposed to contrails?



posted on May, 6 2005 @ 07:01 PM
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That is easy, Nygdan, they are chemtrails because Will Thomas told you so.


And for $17.00 he will send you a book explaining the details.



Jay Reynolds has been chronicling Thomas's B.S. for a while. Some of the B.S.

[edit on 6-5-2005 by HowardRoark]



posted on May, 6 2005 @ 10:06 PM
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And for $17.00 he will send you a book explaining the details.


This could be an attempt to cash in.. many do. I'm still weighing up the ethics and morality of making money like this.


apc

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 02:48 AM
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I think it falls clearly into the same catagory as door-to-door vacuum cleaner sales or telemarketing.. or well even the sales industry in general. "I'm going to tell you all these things, and then Im going to tell you why these things mean you need to give me money."
Unfortunately when it comes to profit, ethics and morality mean little to the one who succeeds.


dh

posted on May, 7 2005 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark



Jay Reynolds has been chronicling Thomas's B.S. for a while. Some of the B.S.

[edit on 6-5-2005 by HowardRoark]


Interestingly, Supercell.org appears to list many of the most obscene media promoters of the neocon project, - Limbaugh, Coulter et al

Note clearly the outright lies -'when I was a child' a- and diversionary techniques involved

[edit on 7-5-2005 by dh]



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