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Crop Circles 2005

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posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 09:43 AM
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I presume this thread is very quiet because people are actually doing some research on the topic or have lost interest. Anyone still following this?

Peace,

~Jammer




posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by keybored
You sir come across as a hoax. Perhaps you've done all you can in this regard and its time for a different tact? Your credibility in my eyes fell below any level of consideration. ... unless of course you can make an ice circle on thin ice... why don't you try it? Here, its a simple design...
Ice circle




Another ice circle was found on a pond on the sherman ranch in utah...

www.nidsci.org...



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 04:17 PM
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I still stand by my hypothesis that crop circles are being created by man-made satellites with focused microwave beams (or similar tech). Floating orbs are added to the story to keep the research focused on extra-terrestials, but imho, it's us making them.

If the crop-circles were being made by aliens, it doesn't fit that they have steadily gotten more complex since the first circle was discovered. The aliens should have been able to create the most complex formations from the very beginning. The steady progression of formation complexities points to an evolving knowledge of their creation. This being the case, it seems clear to me that the best way to explain this crop circle evolution is with satellites. Upgrades to the computers and optics on these satellites over the years explains a gradual increase in formation complexity. Microwaves from satellites would also explain the soil changes and plant node expulsions observed on the "legit" formations.

I'm not denying the existence of E.T. but I do recognize that they can very easily be scapegoated to hide the real truth of the matter. I know it's not as exciting to think we are making these formations, but if you really think about it, it fills in many holes.

This hypothesis does have some scary ramifications if true though. "Why?" would be the question most would ask. Why would we make such a satellite? Could it be some sort of weapon being tested on a low power setting to create the formations? Could it, or they if there are more than one, somehow be linked with the HAARP project?

One last point. There has been alot of discussion about the globalist/illuminati control of the world on these boards, and if they were calling the shots on something like this, the sacred geometry found in many of the formations could be seen as a sort of signature.

Peace

Edit: Just ponder this....when you were a kid, did you ever play with a magnifying glass? Did you ever use it to burn stuff by magnifying sunlight? Did you ever use it to 'write' or 'draw' on a piece of wood? Now take that idea...hook the magnifying glass up to a computer that can aim and move the beam with pinpoint precision and with the aid of a math program create beautiful 'wood' circles.




[edit on 22-8-2005 by StickyG]



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by StickyGOne last point. There has been alot of discussion about the globalist/illuminati control of the world on these boards, and if they were calling the shots on something like this, the sacred geometry found in many of the formations could be seen as a sort of signature.


Could you elaborate more on how you feel sacred geometry is linked to the illuminati or the global elite? Certainly they are familiar with this due to connections with the Freemasons who have used sacred geometry knowledge passed down from the Egyptian Mystery Schools, but how and WHY would they incorporate this into the symbols and beam them onto the planet?

Personally I believe you are onto something with this line of thinking, but I would go further and say that they (globalist elite) are using similar technology to confuse the true message in the progressive formations. There are several formations (especially the alien face) that have properties inconsistent with the genuine phenomenon but clearly were not "stomped out" but some deceptive idiots with boards and rope. There has also been a GREAT deal of deception going on with government agencies MI5, MI6 and CIA to name a few. Additionally most tv shows about crop circles are biased by either outright disinformation (lies) and/or omission of information to skew the observers perspective on what they are all about.

The other problem with the satelite theory is that it doesn't add up with respect to motive. If you haven't read Freddy Silva's book "Secrets in the Fields", and you're interested in this phenomenon, get it and read it, then read it again. Freddy's done a remarkable job (IMO) of laying out what is going on historically and scientifically and then ties the phenomenon to the spiritual/mystical aspects of ancient and modern history. Highly recommended!

Also, a good example of a recent hoaxed circle...

www.cropcircleconnector.com...

Anyway, gotta run...

Peace,

~Jammer+



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 09:33 PM
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Thanks for the reply.



Could you elaborate more on how you feel sacred geometry is linked to the illuminati or the global elite? Certainly they are familiar with this due to connections with the Freemasons who have used sacred geometry knowledge passed down from the Egyptian Mystery Schools, but how and WHY would they incorporate this into the symbols and beam them onto the planet?


Speculatively speaking, (do your own research)

1. The globalist agenda consists of a one-world government, one-world bank, one-world currency (all electronic) and a micro-chipped population (of those that remain after the great purge)


2. The globalists have used (hijacked?) various secret societies (biggest being the Masons, but there are others) to help further plan and implement their agenda; so as to keep their plans secret and to provide a safe route for initiating and teaching the new generations of the elite. Think of the secret societies such as Freemasonry or The Order (a.k.a. Skull and Bones) as esoteric schools for the royal bloods.

3. The globalists have been referred to by many (mostly by Christians) as Satanists due to their obsession with rituals, sacrifice and symbolism. Bohemian Grove is an example of this obsession. So as you alluded to in your question, I would tend to agree that the globalists obtained the knowledge of sacred geometry from high level esoteric freemason lodges or similar kabbalistic teachings. It can be quite confusing researching all the connections due to the inconsistencies of our current historical record.



Personally I believe you are onto something with this line of thinking, but I would go further and say that they (globalist elite) are using similar technology to confuse the true message in the progressive formations. There are several formations (especially the alien face) that have properties inconsistent with the genuine phenomenon but clearly were not "stomped out" but some deceptive idiots with boards and rope. There has also been a GREAT deal of deception going on with government agencies MI5, MI6 and CIA to name a few. Additionally most tv shows about crop circles are biased by either outright disinformation (lies) and/or omission of information to skew the observers perspective on what they are all about.


Disinfo and Misinfo are the globalists greatest weapons, and it abounds everywhere. Believe it or not, there ARE disinformation agents that post on ATS on a regular basis, and they know exactly what they are doing. Then you have the misinformers who cluelessly rehash the disinfo they learned during their "research project". The goal is to keep those of us looking for the truth, constantly off balance and if possible, in fear.



The other problem with the satelite theory is that it doesn't add up with respect to motive. If you haven't read Freddy Silva's book "Secrets in the Fields", and you're interested in this phenomenon, get it and read it, then read it again. Freddy's done a remarkable job (IMO) of laying out what is going on historically and scientifically and then ties the phenomenon to the spiritual/mystical aspects of ancient and modern history. Highly recommended!


I haven't read this book, but it sounds interesting. But the motive I see behind the globalists creating the crop formations is twofold, the second one just being a bonus.

1. It is either a weapon that is tested and kept operational on low power (non deadly) by creating crop circle formations, or it is a writing instrument soley for sending messages to extra-terrestial/dimesional beings, using math as the universal language.

2. We are encouraged to believe that the circles are either hoaxed or created by aliens, thereby completely misdirecting the researcher/us from looking at the globalists.

So many of the globalists plans tie in with each other, it's hard to make a small post about any of their conspiracies without mentioning others. But I've tried my best to stay on topic and not turn this into a freemasonglobalist mudfest. And as I stated from the very beginning, my satellite explanation for crop circle phenomena is simply my own opinion and just a hyposthesis. There is just too much room for me being mis/disinformed to consider myself truely knowledgeble on the subject.

Peace

[edit on 22-8-2005 by StickyG]



posted on Aug, 22 2005 @ 10:14 PM
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Thanks for your reply and your honesty StickyG.

Nice to have someone post without their EGO screaming "I'm Right!!!, I'm Right!!!"


Until we know for sure, it's just opinion and we have to accept that it may always just be opinion.

I agree with you on the disinfo perspective and I am aware of all of the globalist, elitist, secret government theories. What the actual truth is about this is very hard to know for sure, but intuitively this feels correct for me. I can see examples all the time and I can foresee what is coming. How it affects us all will be our own individual choice.

I also have to say that it is conceivable to me that there is more than ONE answer to many of the questions posted at ATS and particularily crop circles. We all know that humans are stomping out some of them with boards, rollers etc. From my research I know that there are some crop circles (genuine) that are not created this way based upon physical, chemical and personal testimony of many samples and people, respectively. I personally think Freddy Silva is closest to describing the actual technology being used to create crop circles, but he goes beyond that by providing many personal and testimony (anectodal) experiences that point to an intelligence that is directly interacting with the very people studying it.

For example, a group of individuals gathered and meditated on a particular design as a small group and very close to their location appeared the exact formation in the same evening. There are many many stories about people having some type of conscious interaction with the genuine creators and psychics that claim to be able to directly contact them. Now, this is certainly not fact and shouldn't be taken as such. But it shouldn't be discounted as worthless either IMO. After all, most of us make many decisions based upon what other people tell us (e.g. religion). There is always a bit of chaos in our organization and a bit of organization to our chaos. That is the fractal nature of our experiential universe.

William Gazeki, producer of "Crop Circles: Quest for Truth"(which is a MUST SEE DVD) tells in the extras on the DVD about his own personal experience of having a crop circle appear right outside the window of where he was staying during one of the first nights he was in England to make the film and do the interviews and how surprised he was.

Nancy Talbott, whom I personally worked with on the BLTResearch.com site, had a very personal experience witnessing a crop formation appear right in front of her. I KNOW she is credible, especially in this case because she personally has told me that she didn't believe there was ANY intelligence behind it until the early 2000's when there was simply too many strange things going on to ignore. You can read about her personal experience here: www.bltresearch.com...

There are many many more, but I have not time to list them all. I've provided links to some of the best sites for starting research and a search for "crop circles" on Amazon will give anyone interested in the phenomenon tons of info on the subject.

Peace to believers and skeptics alike!

~Jammer+



posted on Aug, 23 2005 @ 01:32 AM
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I thought they proved that humans can't bend the way the crop is bent in these crop circles?



posted on Aug, 23 2005 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by Vinci
I thought they proved that humans can't bend the way the crop is bent in these crop circles?


First, who are "They". and Second, humans can bend in many ways... haven't you seen Cirque du Soleil?



I think I know what you're asking and yes, it is not possible for humans "with boards and rope" to create bends in the plant stems or nodes. However, there is a great deal of confusion by people who have limited or no knowledge of plants and how they grow.
If a formation is not discovered right away after it forms (based on eye-witness testimony), bend nodes or plants can be a result of phototropism which means that the plants will realign themselves with the sun. Sunflower plants LITERALLY turn and follow the sun during the course of a sunny day which is an interesting video. I can't find the actual video of the sunflowers but here's a couple of videos that illustrate the point:

employees.csbsju.edu...
sunflower.bio.indiana.edu...

The other point is that formations that are discovered very early, it can often be seen that the plants are bent AWAY from the light and toward the ground which is curious.

Additionally, oil-seed rape plants are very brittle and cannot be physically bent more than 30 degrees or so without breakage, but there are formations EVERY year in this particular crop because it matures early in the season. Here's a couple of examples from this year:

www.cropcircleconnector.com...
www.cropcircleconnector.com...

Plant or node bending in plants by itself is NOT sufficient evidence for none human involvement (as would ANY singular factor but it is the COMBINATION of facts and events that occur within a formation that gives credance to the non-human involvement (at least with respect to boards and ropes).

Hope that helps.

Peace,

~Jammer+



posted on Aug, 24 2005 @ 04:22 PM
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Ah, but what are the chances that the plants would bend "torwards" the sun in such, perfect shapes and such? And if they don't, how could something or someone speed up the process and bend the nodes in the way they want?

But, alien, nature, human, they're still great works of art.



posted on Aug, 24 2005 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by jammerman
I presume this thread is very quiet because people are actually doing some research on the topic or have lost interest. Anyone still following this?

Peace,

~Jammer


Well I gave up because I was tired of people trying to prove crop circles are genuine by asking questions then mocking the answers. Like "Look at these ice circles. Now tell me how can people do that?" Than I tell them then they say "What there are obvious flaws" but then they dont give any explanation other than aliens or plasma vorticies, as if they have already proven those exist.



posted on Aug, 24 2005 @ 05:30 PM
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By doing so you never answered their questions...

So tell us, what are the flaws you speak about? All the sites I've ever been to are always filled with over enthusiastic people trying to explain that they're made by aliens. They even have charts saying what crop circle is for what and what they mean. I've never really found a GOOD one disproving the theory.

So, what the flaws?



posted on Aug, 24 2005 @ 05:31 PM
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For example, a group of individuals gathered and meditated on a particular design as a small group and very close to their location appeared the exact formation in the same evening. There are many many stories about people having some type of conscious interaction with the genuine creators and psychics that claim to be able to directly contact them. Now, this is certainly not fact and shouldn't be taken as such. But it shouldn't be discounted as worthless either IMO. After all, most of us make many decisions based upon what other people tell us (e.g. religion). There is always a bit of chaos in our organization and a bit of organization to our chaos. That is the fractal nature of our experiential universe.




Info on the site below talks about these formations being created using telepathic beam technology from some extra-terrestial/dimensional race.

I know these are old formations, and this may have been discussed in other threads here, but I mention it because of your quote above.

Have the Chilbolton formations been confirmed as a hoax or not?

First Contact: 1974 Deep Space Transmission Responded

Peace



[edit on 24-8-2005 by StickyG]



posted on Aug, 24 2005 @ 05:41 PM
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Ah, I read about that. But they left some other intricut and complex crop circle, I can't find the link. It was in the past 2 years, I remember reading about it. We're still trying to decode it. (as of 2003 i think)



posted on Aug, 25 2005 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by StickyG
One last point. There has been alot of discussion about the globalist/illuminati control of the world on these boards, and if they were calling the shots on something like this, the sacred geometry found in many of the formations could be seen as a sort of signature.
[edit on 22-8-2005 by StickyG]


Could you gives us some examples of sacred geometry? There hasn't been much to hide in the field of math since Newton developed calculus for his theories in the 17th century.



posted on Aug, 25 2005 @ 01:38 AM
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Sacred -
1. Dedicated to or set apart for the worship of a deity.
2. Worthy of religious veneration: the sacred teachings of the Buddha.
3. Made or declared holy: sacred bread and wine.
4. Dedicated or devoted exclusively to a single use, purpose, or person: sacred to the memory of her sister; a private office sacred to the President.
5. Worthy of respect; venerable.
6. Of or relating to religious objects, rites, or practices.
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A circle? That's pretty sacred in some religions. Now, yeah, Newton kind of made life boring now.



posted on Aug, 25 2005 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by Frosty
Could you gives us some examples of sacred geometry? There hasn't been much to hide in the field of math since Newton developed calculus for his theories in the 17th century.


Pfffffft - Want me to wipe your bum too? =P

Peace

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posted on Aug, 25 2005 @ 02:33 AM
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Phi is pretty sacred. Personally, I highly appreciate it. Sure it's not a shape, but it's a number which makes shapes.

goldennumber.net...



posted on Aug, 25 2005 @ 10:42 AM
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Sorry, but what is sacred about this geometry? You still have yet to explain this incorporation. I be refering to sacred geometry you spoke of.


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posted on Aug, 25 2005 @ 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by Frosty
Sorry, but what is sacred about this geometry? You still have yet to explain this incorporation. I be refering to sacred geometry you spoke of.



Frosty,

I know, I know, reading information from sites found using a google search of "sacred geometry" takes alot of effort, but I did the hard work for you and typed in the search term for you. All you have to do is click and read...yes again, hard I know.

Well how about if I post a link to a site that does a pretty good job of describing sacred (not secret) geometry.


The ancients believed that the experience of Sacred Geometry was essential to the education of the soul. They knew that these patterns and codes were symbolic of our own inner realm and the subtle structure of awareness. To them the “sacred” had particular significance involving consciousness and the profound mystery of awareness...the ultimate sacred wonder. Sacred Geometry takes on another whole level of significance when grounded in the experience of self-awareness.


Introduction to Sacred Geometry

Don't mind they are trying to sell a CD, the info is still written so even you could understand it Frosty.


Peace

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posted on Aug, 25 2005 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by Frosty
Sorry, but what is sacred about this geometry? You still have yet to explain this incorporation. I be refering to sacred geometry you spoke of.


[edit on 25-8-2005 by Frosty]


The sacredness of the geometry lies in the fact that sacred geometry lays out the geometry for all known things in the physical universe/lower dimensions. It is sacred in that it literally maps out the nature of creation in the lower dimensions and provides the blueprint for the archtypal geometric shapes (platonic and archimidean solids). It is sacred because it is apriori truth. As StickyG (not sure why G's sticky) pointed out, there is plenty of information on this topic on the internet. Take some time and read about it. I personally like Bruce Rawles site www.intent.com... as a good starting point for learning some of the basics. Bruce does a fair job of introducing the transcendental numbers and how they are derived.
There's tons to learn though. And if you're interested in Sacred Geometry as it relates to Crop Circles, I HIGHLY recommend Freddy Silva's Book "Secrets in the Fields"! It will be money well spent!

To StickyG: Please consider using less sarcasm. It is a form of flaming and closes minds rather than opens them. A polite reminder that a quick search on Google (or even ATS for that matter) can give someone the start they need to do some research on a topic will more likely get a positive response than implying that they are lazy (even if that may be the case). As the old saying goes, "You can catch more flys with sugar than with vinegar." (I'm not sure if that's how the old saying goes or not, but you get the picture
)

Peace,

~Jammer+

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