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Crop Circles 2005

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posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 10:57 PM
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Some of the pics posted look fake, simple enough to make, and yet I look at others and see (thanks for posting them!!) that I am going to look further into it. My key to understanding them is in putting them in motion.
Someone had mentioned that it looks like fields (not pun intended) and I also see the magnetic force lines of visible fields as if metal filings had been layed out to show us that it is actually a field of force. (if they are real that is and not a hoax that would negate all research even if a working model could be derived from them in spite of them... so you see Howard, curiosity is still piqued in my case and I won't give it up on your say so)

Howard... I know that you are a skeptic (or have other motivation) and yet I will tell you why I believe that at least some of these pictograms are legit.

What I saw we simply can't do. Can you explain that for me? Can you simply explain it away as a reflection when I was on a highway with no other traffic, no reflections, noticed a light that I at first thought was a plane until it shot out, made a right angle turn (which I later surmised to be a gentle arc AT A PHENOMENAL RATE OF SPEED!) and was gone quicker than you could read this?
I suppose you could explain it as a delusion, or a dream (I was driving) but since I saw it, I have to believe. Sorry, no amount of your counter-scenarios will ever convince me otherwise. ...and in this regard I will still seek a solution and not dismiss it on your say so, I hope you'll understand.

And you still haven't explained away ice circles...
Regardless, making a believer out of you isn't my goal and shouldn't be anybody elses goal either. Our collaborative goal here should be in trying to interpret that message. And you know, accepting that it is a message is the fist step otherwise you wouldn't bother looking for the message now would you?
You sir come across as a hoax. Perhaps you've done all you can in this regard and its time for a different tact? Your credibility in my eyes fell below any level of consideration. ... unless of course you can make an ice circle on thin ice... why don't you try it? Here, its a simple design...
Ice circle

I again thank the poster of those pics since I already see something. It suggests not only force lines but the motion I talked about above seems to indicate a means. Its only a matter of time... and should I suddenly drop off the planet I know others see it too and will do their own looking with open eyes and an open mind.




posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 11:13 PM
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from Rense

This one had a black box that had roentgen readings. I hadn't searched ice circles before my last post and am now really curious. Has anyone heard of this one before? Admittedly it could have fallen in but through 14 inches?
any ideas?



posted on Aug, 12 2005 @ 11:54 PM
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oh, and btw, just one more question...how many farmers do you know that don't have a dog?


IBM

posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 04:14 AM
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This cropcircle looks awfully like the company logo for amibroker:



www.amibroker.com...

Look at the logo in the upper left hand.



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 09:32 AM
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It looks sort of Escheresqe (stairways that continue infinitely up in a circle).

Does it occur to anyone that if these are done by Aliens that even Aliens have to wait for the right season of the year to do them? To me that is humorous.

I suppose you could subscribe to the theory that the Aliens are outside of time so for them the future is a distance and not time passage as we know it.
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posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by keybored

And you still haven't explained away ice circles...
Regardless, making a believer out of you isn't my goal and shouldn't be anybody elses goal either. Our collaborative goal here should be in trying to interpret that message. And you know, accepting that it is a message is the fist step otherwise you wouldn't bother looking for the message now would you?
You sir come across as a hoax. Perhaps you've done all you can in this regard and its time for a different tact? Your credibility in my eyes fell below any level of consideration. ... unless of course you can make an ice circle on thin ice... why don't you try it? Here, its a simple design...
Ice circle



Ill explain it. The Ice Circles appear in still bodies of water such as ponds. The ponds have a circumvention cycle in which warmer water floats to the top and as it turns cold sinks. Then as night falls the air gets below freezing. The warm water rising freezes at the top. But around the sides of the pond is dirt which is warmer than the water so it heats the edges of the pond so it doesnt freeze over the sides. Thus forming a circle.



posted on Aug, 13 2005 @ 03:45 PM
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Crop circles "The new art form". How long before we see galleries in tribute to the artists. Well I guess the glowing orbs and aliens have to go back to the drawing board. Stupid humans do more impressive work. What a mockery



posted on Aug, 14 2005 @ 02:15 AM
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The Ice Circles appear in still bodies of water such as ponds. The ponds have a circumvention cycle in which warmer water floats to the top and as it turns cold sinks. Then as night falls the air gets below freezing. The warm water rising freezes at the top. But around the sides of the pond is dirt which is warmer than the water so it heats the edges of the pond so it doesnt freeze over the sides. Thus forming a circle.


A perfect circle? And you don't mention the effects that wind would have over the water, nor possible life that might either drink or swim. ... You imply some sort of heating mechanism from below the pond, the warmer water would be on top. but as you contend as it gets cooled it sinks , as for ground temperature being warmer than the ambient water temperature I suppose it is possible if the air were to flash freeze a thin surface layer of the water but it would also cause frost which would lift the ground further distorting the ice.
And I think you mean convection, the only thing being circumvented here is the truth. Shallow water will freeze before the deeper water would.

If on the other hand you imply a melt, the edge would melt before the center since the darker ground absorbs heat faster but the water will catch up in direct sunlight, ... still wouldn't be a perfect circle. unless the ground density were uniform, the pond were perfectly round, there was no wind or current and there was no shade, it needs uniformity that the laws of nature tend to rule out.



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Musclor
jammerman, can you tell me what you think about what i said in my previous post ?



I personally think that genuine crop circles are really connected with the strange balls of light often seen above these formations. I would be interested to know what you think about this.


Thank you very much.


Greetings Musclor,

I can and will. Eltjo H. Haselhoff showed very convincingly that there is a strong correlative relationship between balls of light and crop circles. Now, whether there is causation involved in that relationship (e.g. are the balls of light responsible for or connected to the creation energies of related crop circles) is not as clear and perhaps cannot be known at this time. It is conceivable that the balls of light are somehow involved but since we know little about the BOL's it is very difficult to get far with this.
If you want to review this aspect of the phenomenon more in depth I recommend his book "The Deepening Complexity of Crop Circles"
www.amazon.com...=pd_sim_b_2/002-5101872-6588804?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance

Personally, I believe that they are related, but I am agnostic with respect to how.

Peace,

~Jammer+



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by nullster
Crop circles "The new art form". How long before we see galleries in tribute to the artists. Well I guess the glowing orbs and aliens have to go back to the drawing board. Stupid humans do more impressive work. What a mockery


LOL
Your ignorance of the whole topic is clear in your first question. There will never be galleries in tribute to the hoaxers because they are criminals. They are criminals in the farming community and their deception makes them criminals in the crop circle community. Their lies are destructive to humanities conscious evolution.

Also, could you please elaborate on which ones the "stupid humans" made and which ones you believe the glowing orbs and/or aliens have made? I'm curious as to which formations the "stupid humans" made that are more impressive than the ones you attribute to aliens/orbs.

A MOCKERY indeed! LOL


Peace,

~Jammer+



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Vegemite

Originally posted by keybored

And you still haven't explained away ice circles...
Regardless, making a believer out of you isn't my goal and shouldn't be anybody elses goal either. Our collaborative goal here should be in trying to interpret that message. And you know, accepting that it is a message is the fist step otherwise you wouldn't bother looking for the message now would you?
You sir come across as a hoax. Perhaps you've done all you can in this regard and its time for a different tact? Your credibility in my eyes fell below any level of consideration. ... unless of course you can make an ice circle on thin ice... why don't you try it? Here, its a simple design...
Ice circle



Ill explain it. The Ice Circles appear in still bodies of water such as ponds. The ponds have a circumvention cycle in which warmer water floats to the top and as it turns cold sinks. Then as night falls the air gets below freezing. The warm water rising freezes at the top. But around the sides of the pond is dirt which is warmer than the water so it heats the edges of the pond so it doesnt freeze over the sides. Thus forming a circle.


This theory works fine for a pail of water. Doesn't work at all for an irregularly shaped pond. "EEEHHHH" (Buzzer sound) Try again please.







Peace,

~Jammer+



posted on Aug, 15 2005 @ 03:34 PM
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I'd lean toward a fresh watter spring, myself. If you look at the second picture above, you can see some evidence of diferent colored ice in the center area.

More photos:





Those look pretty weak to me.



the comment by the photographer of the above:
“"Gösta Nilsson, seen in the pictures, witnessed how the fifty metre wide ice floe had formed during a period of several weeks. Such rotating sheets of ice form as ice fragments gather where a river makes a turn, or on any flowing water. This is an unusual, but well known phenomenon, and not the least mysterious".



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 05:08 AM
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Greetings Musclor,
I can and will. Eltjo H. Haselhoff showed very convincingly that there is a strong correlative relationship between balls of light and crop circles. Now, whether there is causation involved in that relationship (e.g. are the balls of light responsible for or connected to the creation energies of related crop circles) is not as clear and perhaps cannot be known at this time. It is conceivable that the balls of light are somehow involved but since we know little about the BOL's it is very difficult to get far with this.
If you want to review this aspect of the phenomenon more in depth I recommend his book "The Deepening Complexity of Crop Circles"
www.amazon.com...=pd_sim_b_2/002-5101872-6588804?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
Personally, I believe that they are related, but I am agnostic with respect to how.
Peace,
~Jammer+


Thank you for your answer Jammerman


[edit on 16/8/2005 by Musclor]



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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A lot of those latest crop circles have strange symbolic meanings it appears. First of all, a lot look like triangles (illuminati referencing) and some even have pentagonal shapes. Another looks like a 3 dimensional (could this be representing Royalty power)?? Whilst others have just psychedelic conflicting patterns (2 opposite energies/charges).



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 10:23 AM
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I'm sure I've seen a very very similar logo like that before, except its like a square spiral (and continues, though not infinitely). Actually the recycling logo is kinda like that isn't it??


Originally posted by IBM
This cropcircle looks awfully like the company logo for amibroker:



www.amibroker.com...

Look at the logo in the upper left hand.



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 11:54 AM
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Where's Howard?

Maybe he's out making crop circles in the middle of the night to prove his point...

or run away again...like he did on the 757 thread...
still haven't answered my question about the footage, Howie...

oh well....here's a design you can copy for your debunking...




and some grainy old footage....




Peace to all



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Ganesh2005
Where's Howard?

Maybe he's out making crop circles in the middle of the night to prove his point...

or run away again...like he did on the 757 thread...
still haven't answered my question about the footage, Howie...



I’m not sure what you are talking about and why are you cross posting between two separate threads?

I’ve never run away from a debate. Forgotten about them, yes, lost interest, maybe. But run away? Never :p



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by HowardRoark
I'd lean toward a fresh watter spring, myself. If you look at the second picture above, you can see some evidence of diferent colored ice in the center area.

More photos:



Those look pretty weak to me.


Howard, I agree with you on this one. I've seen ponds like this myself and it doesn't look far from the center of the bell shaped curve. It looks like variations with respect to salinity which would be consistent with a spring(s).

How about this though?




The overlapping geometries are remarkable and the size is huge (Approx. 320 ft)!

Peace,

~Jammer+



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by sugeshotcha
A lot of those latest crop circles have strange symbolic meanings it appears. First of all, a lot look like triangles (illuminati referencing) and some even have pentagonal shapes. Another looks like a 3 dimensional (could this be representing Royalty power)?? Whilst others have just psychedelic conflicting patterns (2 opposite energies/charges).


If you look at the succession of crop circle designs fro the early 90's to the present, there is definitely a progression. The geometries incremented from one circle in the 80's/early 90's to 13 fold geometry in 2003.

The past few years have displayed a great deal of formations indicating polarizing differentiation. I believe the creators are eluding to the coming changes in human consciousness as we spiral back to oneness. In 2012 it is believed and being presented from many many sources that this will mark the end of this world as we know it (3rd density consiousness) and beginning of the next (4th density consciousness).
My intuition is that those polarizing formations are telling us that light and dark, black and white, good and bad, positive and negative are going to have to separate in our consciousness for us to reintegrate them as a whole. For us to understand the nature of the interconnectedness of ALL things we have to understand the separation. It is difficult to express in writing because so much would need to be written to fully understand this concept not to mention it requires many prerequisites in mathematics, philosophy, history, etc. for me to express properly.

In my past studies I was simply amazed at the facts about crop formations that have been gathered and studied and once my question of authenticity was satisfied I quickly moved on to the meaning. What do they tell us? What are the makers trying to say or do?
To get this we must look to the mode of transfer... language.
Language only serves the purpose of transferring concept. Looking at the formations from this perspective, it quickly becomes clear that the creators are using sacred geometry which IS the universal language to create the designs. If you have not heard of or studied sacred geometry in depth I highly recommend it as it is NOT taught openly in our school systems (not yet anyway) and it references the nature of creation in these physical dimensions.



Sacred Geometry Links:

www.intent.com...
www.crystalinks.com...
www.lovely.clara.net...


From Freddy Silva... (crop circle researcher)
It is interesting that today we find ourselves at the final crossroads in our evolution. Since that day when we decided to abandon our faith in the universal way and follow the mechanical codes of science our consciousness has shifted from one of reverence for all things sacred to the worship of abstract materialism. Consequently, our change of attitude has endangered our living, breathing celestial sphere and it's perhaps why crop circles, with their foundations based squarely upon sacred geometry, have chosen to appear at this particular point in time, reminding us that if only we observe the fundamental laws of the universe we may still be in time to discover the secrets of universal harmony and salvage our very own symbol of eternal life, the Earth.


I'll continue this later... Gotta get SOME work done today!

Peace All.

~Jammer+




[edit on 16-8-2005 by jammerman]



posted on Aug, 16 2005 @ 06:51 PM
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Originally posted by IBM
This cropcircle looks awfully like the company logo for amibroker:



www.amibroker.com...

Look at the logo in the upper left hand.


A lot of company logos look like that, including the patch of the US Delta Force.




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