Originally posted by Undergroundpunk
What is actually wrong with the whole concept of facism
Denigration of the self in favour of The State, actually it shares almost all of the pitfalls of socialism/communism, and additionally it has the
problem of placing corporations at the forefront, while still not having a free economy, which means that whats good about corporations is supressed,
and whats bad is magnified. A fascist society is also almost allways a closed society, and that in itself if useless.
, or nazism
Gosh, you've never heard the complaints?
National Socialism is very similar to fascism, and as such has many of its problems. Where it goes beyond fascism is in the manner in which society is
regulated and information/political reality are controlled. The complete subjagation of the individual to not just the state and community but the
dictator himself is horrible enough to begin with. Nazi society has absolutely no free press and no civic freedoms for the people. Its a very closed
and tightly controlled society, which means that its bound to self-destruct. Nazi economics are also childish and, realistically, stupid. While war
mobilization was able to bring the Weimar Republic out of its extreme financial difficulties, look at the cost. The complete loss of private
ownership of all property. The land, the real estate, belong to the State itself, and often was simply abusively controlled by the heads of industry
and party heads that actually ran everything. And for all that, what did the people get? A brief, dramatic, but completely unsustainable economy
that couldn't function very well in the global economy it found itself in. Germany is a very resource poor country, and most of the wars its fought
have been over control of coal fields or ore mines and the like. Those kinds of things are more effectively gathered up by trade, and can't be
seized on a global scale. The nazi state, however, forces itself into becomming a pariah by extreme mobilization and military buildup, and thus,
literally, shoots itself in the foot. And while the nazis were able to get inflation under control, they were incapable of developing anything like a
free market system or even a mixed market system, which is where wealth is generated and capital accumulated and put to use. IE, they were
fundamentally incapable of creating wealth and innovation, even tho they were able to do directed research on limited subject areas.
Oh yeah, then there's that whole 'racial superiority' bit, which was demonstrably false at the time, and could've onyl resulted in the slow
destruction of the German State had not WWII done that more mercifully. The nazi ideal state was the concentration camp system, wherein everyone is
part of the system that controls everyone else. Workers are merely, literally, slaves, providing labour freely and via force. That sort of economy
worked since the fall of the Roman Empire. The German State sought to control the entire population, untermensch and ubermensch
alike. The 'priviliged' status of ethnic germans in the system was meaningless, they were just kapos and wardens in the Concentration Camp State,
completely enslaved to the system itself, ie weak and controled human cattle.
but then the whole world would really revolve around this whole concept, so does this make the whole world wrong, or evil?
Racism is wrong, both on a factual level and on an ethical level. Anyone practicing is is factually incorrect, ie ignorant, and un-ethical/immoral.
The world, as a whole, does not practice this. The world, as a whole, doesn't do very much of anything.
What are your ideas on nazism
A pathetic and obviously, even demonstrably, foolish errarnd. An extremist racist totalitarian system that will allways self-destruct, and ends up
destroying its own citizens.
a pointless aping of nationalism and communism that provides no benefits to anyone, other than, what, getting the trains to run on time?
Neonazis are usally ignorant fools who don't understand fascism or national socialism at all. Ironically, they're almost always people that would
fall into the Untermenschen class in the nazi total state, but ludicrously seem to think that they are 'super-men'.
is that strictly why it is wrong, because the majority believe so,
No one has claimed that nazism is wrong because of some sort of a consensus. Nazi is wrong in almost every single aspect. Its a perversion of
ethnicity, a perversion of patriotism, and an empty abstractionist ideology that completely seperates man from reality. And, on top of that, its
, having destroyed millions
of germans directly, let alone the numbers that died fighting for germany. Oh, and it doesn't
maybe i do agree with nazism, slavery, etc. but does that necissarily make me a bad person
Why, because other people who fancy themselves as nazis don't think its bad? Your criticism of people who disagree with nazism is simply a
reflection of, aparently, your own unreasonable 'reasons' for accepting nazism. Slavery is wrong
, man has rights
, those rights
aren't superseded by an empty abstractionist ideology.
no because there is no such thing as good or bad, its just that the "majority" of society has molded our minds into believing that certain
things are good or bad
Ok, you are a moral relativist, who doesn't have the ability to define his own morality. Rather than going 'beyond good and evil', you return to a
primitive, senseless barbarism. Fair enough, but simply because you aren't strong enough to work up an ethical system doesn't mean that the rest of
us are, or that the rest of us are merely copying what the 'majority' does.
Nazism also uses a sort of pseudo-science to back itself up, iow, it uses gibberish, dressed up in the language of science, to give it authority that
it itself does not have
. It needs
authority from outside itself.
your just another narrow minded follower
Says someone who apes 'nazism and slavery aren't bad', without even trying to support the assertion
Simply because you think
'thinking' isn't mainstream:
- Doesn't make you a radical
- Doesn't make you right
- Doesn't mean that you aren't a follower
yet just agree with everything that someone states to u
that so many people agree, because they've independantly arrived at generally similar conclusions
just like the nazis who followed hitler into the war
The nazis, apparently, couldn't think for themselves, and didn't want to. They didn't try to really support their ideology, hence the suppression
of all criticism, at home, on the streets, and in the press, possibly because they knew that their position was one of weakness. Where have
supported your position? You've merely stated, rather blandly, that 'just because everyone does it don't make it right'. Well, the
obvious counter, that you should've realized and thought thru, is that simply because everyone thinks something doesn't make it wrong.
People don't reject nazism 'because society tells them too'. People can clearly see
, in broadstrokes, why nazism is stupid and piggish.
They don't need
society to tell them that its wrong. They can think for themselves