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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The simplest explanation for Bigfoot is a hoax.
The burden of proof does not lie with those who dismiss it as such, but with those who claim that Bigfoot is authentic.
Certainly, I agree that there are species out there that have been declared extinct and even a bunch that have yet to be discovered, but suggesting that there is a species of animals this large living in CONUS without some signs of their existence, stretches credulity.
If there is one, there must be a population. If there is a population, there must be signs of their nesting, hunting, gathering, excreting, travelling, etc. There must be some evidence beyond a grainy film and a few footprints. One would think that capitalism alone would spawn some effort on the part of someone to find a specimen and provide the proof we are looking for.
Here in New Mexico, when conditions are rough for the bears, they start showing up in places where they aren't particularly welcome, hunting for food. The same with moose in the northeast. These animals aren't so shy that hunger doesn't drive them to a food source when times get rough. Currently in the northwest there is a drought. One would think that conditions would cause Bigfeet to encroach upon human habitat, at least occasionally.
"The ridge flow pattern and the texture was completely different from anything I've ever seen," he said. "It certainly wasn't human, and of no known primate that I've examined. The print ridges flowed lengthwise along the foot, unlike human prints, which flow across. The texture of the ridges was about twice the thickness of a human, which indicated that this animal has a real thick skin."
The other case of which I have first hand knowledge is a quantity of which was shipped in a plastic container with dry ice to me in New York, for trans-shipment to Professor W. C. Osman Hill, then senior scientist at the London Zoological Society. This specimen shook up the scientist. I wish we had space to give you their report in full. It is quite amazing. The points of significance in it are as follows: In general, this fecal mass did not in any way resemble that of any known North American animal. On the other hand, it did look humanoid, but it had some peculiar features, as if the lower bowel had a spiral twist. But above all, it was composed exclusively of vegetable matter and this as far as could be identified of local California fresh water plants. The real clincher, however was that it contained the eggs and desiccated remains of certain larvae otherwise known only in (a) some North American Indian tribal groups in the Northwest, (b) pigs imported from south China, (c) human beings in country districts in southwest China and (d) in pigs in that same area.
Update, November 3, 1999:
I have by now a dozen purported sasquatch hair samples, all morphologically congruent (which rules out hoaxing) and all effectively indistinguishable from a human hair of the particular structure (great variability is available among the latter). DNA extracted from both hair shaft or roots (hair demonstrably fresh) was too fragmented to permit gene sequencing. That characteristic is also sometimes found in human hair that lacks the medulla (as does sasquatch hair - at least what I am willing to identify as such).
During the 1990s, more species of hoofed animals have been discovered or rediscovered in the Annamite Mountains than are known to have become extinct worldwide in the past few hundred years. These include the saola, the giant barking deer and what is probably the small rooseveltorum barking deer, which was first described in 1929 then vanished until rediscovered in 1995. Scientists speculate that ice age glaciers during the Pleistocene Epoch affected the distribution of forests upon which species like these depend. Small populations of survivors evolved in isolation in this Noah's Ark lost in time.
Originally posted by RavenX
Why can't one of the research groups get a few helicopters and thermal cameras and section off part of the wilderness in north canada and do flybys looking for bigfoot?
It has been done in Washington State.
Rick Noll of Edmonds, Wash., told the audience of an expedition in September 2000 to try to collect Bigfoot evidence. Armed with audio recordings meant to simulate calls, fruit to serve as bait, a thermal imaging camera and "very, very gross-smelling" pheremone chips developed from gorilla and human bacteria, Noll's team tried to lure a Bigfoot out toward them. They didn't see one, but they succeeded in making a cast of an impression that Noll believes to be of the torso of a prone Sasquatch.Noll said some counties have passed ordinances prohibiting the hunting of Bigfoot and, in one case, attempting to declare it an endangered species.
As for Northern Canada? Well, lets just take British Columbia is 364,764 sq. miles in size. California is 163,707 square miles, Oregon is 98,386 square miles, and then add a Wyoming 97,818 square miles and you still have room. Texas is 268,601 square miles leaving room for Michigan (96,810 square miles) or just about any other state to fit.
For you non-Americans, United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland is 94,525 sq miles which means that ONE province is more than three times the size.
Population is 3,907,738 for British Columbia (2001). Los Angeles is close to 10 million. London is just over 7 million.
Now, you think the hunt would be that easy? Consider that the almost 4 million people are almost all at the southern edge (American border) and that everything else is quite remote. Now add Alaska (586,412 square miles) which is 1/5th the size of the entire United States. Add the Yukon Territories (186,660 sq. mi.), Northwest Territories (519,734 sq mi), and Territories of Nunavut (350,000 sq mi).
Also there are the northern Alberta, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Ontario, and Quebec areas to consider. Searching all of the land area is highly improbable. Now consider that in recent years, new animals have been discovered in much smaller countries, that were completely unknown until the last 4-5 years. Doesn't make things so impossible that a creature with a slightly higher intellect, could not be found easily.
Originally posted by Jedi_Master
If bigfoot were a hoax, do you really think that the hoaxer would go through the trouble of putting dermal ridges on their "fake feet" ?
Originally posted by Jedi_Master
Maybe you haven't seen the cast's, and please note that these casts were taken at different locations, and in different years...