Ayatollah warns U.S. needs punch in mouth!

Originally posted by edsinger

Originally posted by devilwasp
So ed your calling an ally(me), a weed covered in cow manure.......right then......and who was complaining about allies being unfriendly again?

Look as a country the UK is an ally, but they have many inside the country as does the UNited States for that matter that are tulipwalkers.

I have to ask, sorry, but what are the exact paprameters that makes one a "tulipwalker"?

Or is "tulipwalker" just a genralisation for 99% of the worlds population?

Please define your phrase.


[edit on 7-5-2005 by Kriz_4]

Originally posted by Kriz_4

I have to ask, sorry, but what are the exact paprameters that makes one a "tulipwalker"?

Or is "tulipwalker" just a genralisation for 99% of the worlds population?

Please define your phrase.

This should explain it.



Turd-blossom, insult or badge of honor?

Came across something I feel is fitting for this thread

The Muslims wouldn't "hate" Jews if the US hadn't taken over a country to set up Israel (an extention of US power) - In the process they killed millions...

The United States DOES deserve a punch in the mouth - I think what he was referring to, was a WAKE UP CALL - Your country is down the drain, America is !@#$ed, and Americans let it happen...

I dont understand how Americans cannot see the #&*%ful state there country is in...

Your President was put in power illegally - You stood by and watched
Your country went to war, made you more vunerable to attack - You stood by and let it happen

Cuba (A TINY THIRD WORLD COUNTRY) has FREE and COMPOLSORY EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, FREE TRANSPORT and MORE DOCTORS PER CAPITA THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY, EVERYONE HAS a HOUSE TO SLEEP IN, EVERYONE IS FED (and no one goes hungry or lives on the street)...

AND

America is the WEALTHIEST most POWERFUL country on this planet yet, you participate in more wars than anyone, have hundreds of thousands of people going hungry, more people in prison, more racism, more crime, more prostitution, schooling is in a bad state - Your President is a moron - And most of your lives are led by consumerism...

But for somereason, because you can vote a corrupt politican in every 4 years you think its OK... REDICULOUS!
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America is the dirty stain on the matress we call earth... And Americans seem to love it...

GET UP! STAND UP! and DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR SORRY STATE!

Originally posted by ghostsoldier

Your President was put in power illegally - You stood by and watched


Cuba (A TINY THIRD WORLD COUNTRY) has FREE and COMPOLSORY EDUCATION, FREE HEALTH CARE, FREE TRANSPORT and MORE DOCTORS PER CAPITA THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY, EVERYONE HAS a HOUSE TO SLEEP IN, EVERYONE IS FED (and no one goes hungry or lives on the street)...

(1) No it was legal, you leftist just didnt like the outcome.

(2) Yeah that's why they hop on rafts to try to float to Florida for just a chance at freedom......

Even the US State Department, in its 2004 country report, trying its hardest to vilify Cuba, acknowledged that Cuba had: "no political killings ... no reports of politically motivated disappearances". The US also acknowledges there were no reports of religious repression, little discrimination, compulsory and free schooling, a universal health-care system, substantial artistic freedom, and no reports of torture.

So what ever the reason Cubans go to America (maybe they wanna become rich, or vote, or get paid by a Miami Based terrorist group funded by the US government) - you cannot deny that the Cuban people have freedoms America does not...

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As for the 2000 elections - Edsinger maybe you need to do some research, because when you look at the facts and figures you realise that a HUGE amount of African American peoples votes were dis-credited...

Both before and during the 2000 election systematic efforts were undertaken to rob Democratic voters of their vote. This is an attempt to catalog them. It's hard to say whether these efforts were the result of a pre-arranged, deliberate strategy or if they were just opportunistic profitering from a chaotic situation. Actions like purging voter rolls before the elections and active harassement of black voters on the election day itself add more weight to the first hypothesis.

Yeah Cuba's a paradise alright, move there....from the 60's-90's Cuba only survived from accepting handout from the USSR as a good little puppet. In the 90's that great infrastructure has went to ..........

As for votes being disallowed, are you also referring to the felons that were allowed to vote in Blue states? I am thinking Washington here...

You really crack me up, oh those poor individuals that cant either fill out a ballot properly, of which Florida is world famous now, has nothing to do with color. They don't design elections to thwart a certain race.......

Originally posted by edsinger
Look as a country the UK is an ally, but they have many inside the country as does the UNited States for that matter that are tulipwalkers.

So its ok to insult a people, just a specific part of the people you dont agree with?

Also, that picture is rather.....biased..
Notice the wording "we" , to try and reach to the reader so that they "know" that the iranians are against them.
Also notice the comparision of nazis, history's greatest evil, so therefore makeing the iranians seem evil.

But.....I'll probably be flamed for this, the evidence that ed and the rest of the "anti-tulipthingy's" have shown several disturbing facts about iran....

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

I didn't read the whole thread so i guess am responding to the title.


Don't talk about it, if the U.S. needs a punch in the mouth DO IT don't talk about it.


have said it before and will say it again

The Suckheads( Iran, North Korea, Syria and the Palestinian militants) will lose and The Good guys ( pretty much everyone else) will win, and the world will be better off for it.

Originally posted by HardCore American
I didn't read the whole thread so i guess am responding to the title.


Don't talk about it, if the U.S. needs a punch in the mouth DO IT don't talk about it.


have said it before and will say it again

The Suckheads( Iran, North Korea, Syria and the Palestinian militants) will lose and The Good guys ( pretty much everyone else) will win, and the world will be better off for it.

This is just a personal question, why are we the good guys?

"Good" and "Bad" being relative terms, I would challange the Ayatollah, Che and Fidel lovers to refute the following:

People from central and south america are pouring into the U.S., not the other way around. The "People" are voting with thier feet, and they aren't voting Communist. Money isn't the only reason they're coming.

People criticising the government in Cuba and Iran are placed in prison. People criticising the government in the U.S. are given thier own television talk show.

Respect for others starts with the idea that they have rights that a government can not take away. Such rights do not belong to the government but to the people. Dictators and thier militant supporters have a problem with such concepts, and choose to pervert thier meaning with invented rights like "free" meals and education, which usually consists of bad food and literacy in only state-approved publications.

I can read the communist manifesto, the works of Mao, or any other form of political thought in the U.S. They are in my local library.

Try finding the writings of John Locke in Cuba or Iran. You won't find them, because they are banned. They are banned because for all the swagger and hatred of these people, they are scared, because thier ideas don't work, and they know it.

Keeping thier people in ignorance is thier objective, and around here we should deny ignorance.

Strictly speaking most "communist" countries are not "comunist" but dictatorships.

Point taken. You can have a dictatorship that isn't communist.

But name the communist country that isn't a dictatorship!

Originally posted by ghostsoldier
So what ever the reason Cubans go to America (maybe they wanna become rich, or vote, or get paid by a Miami Based terrorist group funded by the US government) - you cannot deny that the Cuban people have freedoms America does not...

Are the people of Cuba allowed to leave Cuba whenever they want to?

If there were more bloody noses, there would be fewer wars.




There is no enemy anywhere - Lao Tse

Originally posted by Realist05
"Good" and "Bad" being relative terms...

Perception is reality, as they say...

Originally posted by Realist05
People from central and south america are pouring into the U.S., not the other way around. The "People" are voting with thier feet, and they aren't voting Communist. Money isn't the only reason they're coming.

Where are your sources? - I also think you would find that the majority of people fleeing (Venezuela for example) were either so 'brainwashed' by the mass media systems in place they actually thought their lives were in danger...

They also thought their newly and DEMOCRATICALLY elected leader Hugo Chavez, was homosexual, with Fidel Castro... The privately owned news services in Venezuela are exactly the same as FoxNews in America... Its amazing how easy it is to brainwash someone

Originally posted by Realist05
People criticising the government in Cuba and Iran are placed in prison. People criticising the government in the U.S. are given thier own television talk show.

I cannot speak for Iran but I can for Cuba...

In nearly 50 years of revolutionary Cuba there has never been an extrajudicial execution or a missing person. There has never been a Cuban mother who is still looking for the remains of her murdered son or daughter. There has never been a reporter killed in Cuba. There has never been a prisoner mistreated by his keepers. And there is no evidence given to suggest that political dissidents in Cuba are killed or tortured.

As for the US... What about Ward Churchill !!! - He had the Cameras cut off on him, merely because he was saying something they didn't like [sarcasm] thats free speech if I ever saw it [/sarcasm]...

I also think that if you did some research (ie went to Cuba) you would find that people openly critisise the Cuban government (but find more positives than negatives)... About the only people who are arrested in Cuba for their political beliefs are those who accept money from the US Government (more specifically from a Miami-Based Terrorist group (CANF))

Originally posted by Realist05
Respect for others starts with the idea that they have rights that a government can not take away. Such rights do not belong to the government but to the people. Dictators and thier militant supporters have a problem with such concepts, and choose to pervert thier meaning with invented rights like "free" meals and education, which usually consists of bad food and literacy in only state-approved publications.

Where is your evidence to suggest this?

Originally posted by Realist05
I can read the communist manifesto, the works of Mao, or any other form of political thought in the U.S. They are in my local library.

- I'd like to see you find a copy of the Communist Manifesto in your libraries... And even if you did, you'd prolly end up on an FBI file somewhere (in accordance with the Patriot Act) ...

Originally posted by Realist05
Try finding the writings of John Locke in Cuba or Iran. You won't find them, because they are banned. They are banned because for all the swagger and hatred of these people, they are scared, because thier ideas don't work, and they know it.

Again I cant speak for Iran - but in Cuba the books are not banned - but I think you WOULD find that certain books coming from Cuba are banned - IN THE US...

And their ideas DO work - they have been working for nearly 50 years - do you not think - that if the ideas DIDN'T work, the people would have overthrown Castro, the same way Castro overthrew (the US backed) Batista?

Originally posted by Realist05
Keeping thier people in ignorance is thier objective, and around here we should deny ignorance.

I do hope you are speaking for yourself (if you are American) - The Cuban education system places great emphasis on creativity, on critical thinking and research skills and on co-operative learning. Right through to university their most important social responsibility is to develop their own ideas and the ability to critically and constructively analyse the world around them (as opposed to the US where you get a degree and get out of there).

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[Jo Williams is an Australian secondary school teacher - currently in Havana researching the Cuban education system.]

[...]

Cuban school students demonstrate an ability to generalise and to place themselves in the “big picture”, at the same time confidently understanding the role they play as individuals in a revolutionary country. This is directly at odds with the individualistic and self-centred outlook the American education system inculcates into young people.

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The central task of education in Cuba emphasised in all of the documents prepared by pedagogical scientists with and for teachers is to create thinking, critical, independent and confident young people. The students refer to this as the “exchange of ideas” in the classroom, pointing out that teachers are not always correct but always keen to learn from students.

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When asked about positive learning environments, the first thing mentioned by students and teachers was always the reciprocal and collective nature of discussions in the classroom. While this occurs in some classrooms in America, it is far from the norm.

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A striking feature of any conversation with Cuban school students is their spirit of internationalism. When asked about their thoughts on the future, the common responses reveal optimism about the possibilities for global change, but a deep concern for the people suffering in the world today.

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[edit on 8-5-2005 by ghostsoldier]

What would happen if I put my family on a raft and headed for Cuba? What would the authorities do when we arrived? How would we be treated? I`m just wondering, not trying to be a smart azz.

Originally posted by csulli456
What would happen if I put my family on a raft and headed for Cuba? What would the authorities do when we arrived? How would we be treated?

To my knowledge, the US accepts them (because they are obviously anti-Castro and anti-Socialism) ... The US usually uses them as examples aswell...

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Another interesting fact;

Cuba offered to educate and train 500 people from the ghettos of Harlem - Specifically Blacks and Hispanics - to become doctors FOR FREE!

But the US refused their offer...

Originally posted by ghostsoldier

Originally posted by csulli456
What would happen if I put my family on a raft and headed for Cuba? What would the authorities do when we arrived? How would we be treated?

To my knowledge, the US accepts them (because they are obviously anti-Castro and anti-Socialism) ... The US usually uses them as examples aswell...

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Another interesting fact;

Cuba offered to educate and train 500 people from the ghettos of Harlem - Specifically Blacks and Hispanics - to become doctors FOR FREE!

But the US refused their offer...

You have absolutely not answered my question. I`m not trying to be sarcastic. Yes I know the US accepts everyone, but would I along with my family be accepted into Cuba, or would I be mistreated and prosecuted or just turned away. I am assuming you live there and am sincerly interested in knowing your countries policy on such an issue , if you infact know the answer, or even just your opinion on what would happen.

Comrade Ghost Soldier:

1. My sources for a vast number of people crossing the southern border to get into the U.S.? Quote yours that people aren't! This is so basic as to be incontestable. People from latin america are pouring into the U.S. Even radio Havana has recognised this.

2. Cuban Justice? Legal is whatever Fidel says it is, from one of his generals being executed for drug trafficking to the following:

Black Cuban physician Dr. Oscar Elías Biscet, a prisoner of conscience, a living martyr, who is languishing in the horrid Cuba Sí prison in Holguín province. His crime: protesting abortion and human rights violations in Cuba.

There is also Vladimiro Roca, the son of Cuban Communist Party founder, the legendary Blas Roca. He was imprisoned near the city of Cienfuegos for writing a manifesto stating that the Cuban fatherland belongs to all of the people. He was released just before Jimmy Carter's visit to Cuba after serving all but 70 days of his prison sentence.

Another political prisoner of color is Jorge Luis Garcia Perez "Antunez," who has been jailed 18 years for allegedly spreading enemy propaganda and who has been near death on several occasions because of mistreatment and torture. The last I heard of him, his health had deteriorated as he languished in a dungeon in the central prison of Nieves Morejon, near Sancti Spiritus. And there are hundreds of others like them.

Prisoners also include many courageous women dissidents who have been subjected to unspeakable cruelty and tortured in such prisons as Manto Negro (Black Mantle) and Nuevo Amanacer (New Dawn).

Among the women who have suffered imprisonment are: the poetess Maria Elena Cruz Varela (now in exile), Maritza Lugo Fernández (who recently gained her freedom and is also now in exile). There is also the valiant Martha Beatriz Roque, who has been in and out of prison repeatedly because of opposition to the communist (fascist) regime.

3. Ward Churchill? You mean the phony american indian Bill Mahr is so happy to have on his nationally televised show? He's still being paid on a tenured basis by the state of Colorado, preaching to his students, not sitting in a jail like you prefer your dissidents.

4. Show me the public library of any large city in the U.S. that does not has Marx on the shelf. I dare you. Tell me the city that does not. You will also find complimentery biographies of Fidel and your avitar "Che!" (TM) that are as supportive as anything you have posted. I have checked some of these out. U.S. authorities need to get a warrant from a judge with evidence under the patriot act to see what I've checked out.

5. Finally, if Cuba was the paradise you portray, why aren't people lined up to get in there? Havana has possibly the best climate in the western hemisphere, and in spite of Fidel attempting to bulldoze the whole island in the early 60's to grow more sugar cane, is a beautiful island. I know 3 americans who have broken the travel ban to go there, and I can say that I am ashamed that one of them goes to visit for reason of prostitution, sanctioned by the government.

The thousands of people who risk all to cross the florida straits in whatever floats to escape Cuba every year give lie to your absurd statements.

It is you who are brainwashed. It may be impossible for you to accept this, but you are an individual with value and a life with meaning beyond the hateful national socialist nostrums you are promoting. I hope you find it within you to question authority and deny ignorance.