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Australian held hostage in Iraq.

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posted on May, 7 2005 @ 12:36 AM
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Originally posted by goregrinder
Asian, brainwashed? There are some people that believe the loss of a human life is sad, no matter where they come from. Your anti-american comments show nothing but bias. Severing a mans head on video is savage. It's murder. Just as every death in war is murder. Look at things like a humanist, and less like a typical anti-american, and your viewpoint may change.


Did you even read my post gore?

I was saying that the Iraqi insurgents had nothing to do with 9/11. I was merely educating another member into the situation. Like i said, i dont agree with the insurgents methods of achieving their goal. My point on brainwashing was how effectively the US administration has managed to convince so many of your population that Iraq had something to do with 9/11... which it hadnt.
So how about you read the post before you comment on it gore, and if you dont understand what is being said dont try and argue with it.

Jacqua - Not your fault you didnt know, but this site is good for learning and discussing so enjoy.




posted on May, 7 2005 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by AceOfBase
Goregrinder, I think you misunderstood Cargo.
When I read his post I took it as a comment from someone who was upset at the lack of replies on this thread about a tragic incident.

It seemed to me that he was asking 'has it really reached the point that this is longer a big deal and no longer warrants a respone?'


Thanks AOB, that is exactly what I was asking.


Originally posted by goregrinder
This is a selection of the most unintelligent posts i have ever seen from cargo and dr love. Idiocy. Plain and simple. I'd like to see how long your fat, net surfing cynicism would hold up in a real life horror situation like this poor bastard is facing. Shouldn't even the oldest members have to reapply to retain their membership?


Take some time to read the post before going off half-cocked, goregrinder. My post is only unintelligent to you because you didn't take the time to read it carefully. As a result, your post above stands as one of the most ignorant.

I'm Australian, btw. The whole basis of my post was that I care what happens to this man. Got it?



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by Jacqua
Exactly!!!! Gores......I was horrified at the level of non-compassion there....

Guys!!! come on, just one look at this poor guy, and how can anyone even slightly contemplate that he 'deserves' any of this.....


Jacqua, see my above post. How many times will I have to correct you people who don't bother to read the thread?

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.



[edit on 7-5-2005 by cargo]



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 01:59 AM
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I am shocked by some of the responses to this thread. They are heartless and totally lacking any level of human empathy.

Regardless of whether Mr Wood ‘deserves’ his fate as a result of working in a country like Iraq; he is first and foremost a human being. I wouldn’t wish his possible death on anyone, even some here who have shown scant regard for life. I pray that Mr Wood’s captors let him go, but I am not hopeful.

Representatives from the local Muslim community in Sydney have been to Iraq in an effort to gain his release. They also appear not to have been successful.

My heart goes out to him and his family.



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 08:48 AM
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Excuse me, fellas, i did read boh of your posts. Just because i did not find them correct, or see eye to eye with either of you, doesn't mean that i didn't read them, lol. If i had to guess, you're both very, very young. These are the postings of people who could give a damn about someones life. How the hell does this guy 'deserve it'? You need to think critically here, boys.



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 09:24 AM
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Representatives from the local Muslim community in Sydney have been to Iraq in an effort to gain his release. They also appear not to have been successful.

My heart goes out to him and his family.



Lady of the Lake
Lets hope for the best



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 09:57 AM
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I'm gonna spell it out for you goregrinder, because you are obviously incapable of working it out for yourself. My A and B options were regarding what I think people choose from when they read these threads about hostages. Two camps. They feel no need to post, just another beheading, pick a camp and move on. It annoyed me that after a year or so of these made for TV beheadings, there is little or no interest in them. Which says to me that people are desensitised to them and that they have now become "mainstream".

SpecialasianX said in his post that he "Agrees with me" when really he is agreeing with one of the 2 options I laid out in my initial post. See, he didn't read my post properly either. Seem Ace of Bace was the only one who actually read it.

I watched a news program recently which featured a look at Mr Wood's life growing up at his Geelong school in my state; Victoria, Australia. It interviewed his school friends who are much older men now. Talked about his character, and his love for sports during his school years. This man is not only a human being but is one of my fellow country men. Who the hell do you think you are trying to spin my post into one which has no compassion for this man? What do you know about him?

*removed inflammitory comments and excessive profanity*

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posted on May, 7 2005 @ 10:19 AM
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Australian Sheik offers to fly to Iraq.


The leader of Australia's Muslim community yesterday offered to fly to Iraq to seek the release of Australian hostage Douglas Wood.

Sheik Taj Eldeen Alhilali made the offer at a meeting with Mr Wood's brothers Malcolm and Vernon at Sydney's Lakemba Mosque.
After the meeting, Sheik Alhilali filmed an appeal in Arabic - with the brothers by his side - to Mr Wood's kidnappers to release him.

It will be screened on Arabic TV station Aljazeera.

Article

Sanc'.



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 10:28 AM
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Sheik Alhilali told the Wood family that he stood willing to do anything he could to secure Douglas Wood's release.

"I regard him as our brother, a fellow Australian, an innocent man. He should not suffer because of politics whether they be right or wrong," he said.


This is what makes our country great.

And thanks for the edit dbates. Removed a significant portion of my post. Why did you edit out the word "wanker"? If it wasn't allowed, shouldn't it be auto-censored? What about the word "arse"? Get's thrown around this forum a lot. Especially by Americans who can't use their equivelant due to the censor. You might want to look into getting those words added to the filter, hmm? My first warn.


I always knew it would be from you. And so did you, I'm sure.






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posted on May, 7 2005 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by Lady of the Lake
I am shocked by some of the responses to this thread. They are heartless and totally lacking any level of human empathy.


Where's my compassion? What the Hell does compassion have to do with anything? This guy knew what he was getting involved in, he took a calculated risk, and he's probably going to lose. Compassion from anybody other than his captors isn't going to do anything but still get his dome lopped off. Where's the compassion of the Australian, United States and whoever the Hell else's government when it comes to these poor saps? Oh sorry, they're fresh out!!!

Like I said before, I do feel sorry for the guy, but jeez, he has nobody to blame but himself in the end. I have more compassion for his family that he's going to leave behind. They're going to end up being the real victims here.

Peace



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
Where's the compassion of the Australian, United States and whoever the Hell else's government when it comes to these poor saps?


Dr Love, i feel that my post above does demonstrate a degree of compassion by the multicultural society that Australia is.

Sanc'.



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by sanctum
Dr Love, i feel that my post above does demonstrate a degree of compassion by the multicultural society that Australia is.

Sanc'.


Certainly it does Sanc', but I'm talking about the real decision makers here. The one's that could get this situation taken care of right away if they really wanted to.

You take a risk. You get kidnapped. Your countrymen can't sell out their country for just one man's life. Sayonara head!!!

Peace



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by Dr Love
You take a risk. You get kidnapped. Your countrymen can't sell out their country for just one man's life.


An appeal from one Muslim to another is not a 'sell out' by any means. This is called compassion for the life of a human being.

Sanc'.



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by sanctum
An appeal from one Muslim to another is not a 'sell out' by any means. This is called compassion for the life of a human being.

Sanc'.


I'm not talking about the Muslim guy. I'm talking about the people who run the government. I think we're getting our wires crossed here.

God bless that Muslim guy!! More power to him. I hope he can get the job done, but I really doubt it. The track record is not good for these hostages, with or without the help of other Muslims. That's all I'm saying.

Peace


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[edit on 7-5-2005 by Dr Love]



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by cargo
And thanks for the edit dbates.
My first warn.
I always knew it would be from you. And so did you, I'm sure.

We welcome criticism, but please use the "Suggestion" feature instead of dragging the whole thread off into a discussion on your warning. So, you knew it would be me eh? Hindsight is 20/20 and you should have posted this in the Personal Predictions forum for validation if you were so sure. Not sure if I can actually believe a prophecy after the fact.



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 01:32 PM
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Lets be honest here! it is the MONEY that brings us across here to this country, nothing else but the money.
i speak to contractors on a daily basis and they all agree, however no one deserves this death!! and he will die, this group have done it before and they are one of the worst groups.

how come you never hear anything of the american who was taken from the water treatment plant north of baghdad? as far as i am aware he has only been on TV once, he was very stupid in his role over here, he used to get a lift from the site manager with no weapons or escort and knowing the risk he still did this! what do these people think when they come over...

ooo it will never happen to me!


well i am unclear on the situation the guy this thread was in when he got picked up but to be honest everyone should carry as much protection as possible, our guys carry more amour and ammo than most US units because they fully understand that being captured is guarenteed death for a westenern here as our governments will not pay, but another point if he is insured they would have to pay surley? i know the hostage negotation team have been around asking about peoples insurance prior to this incident!



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 01:39 PM
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Unfortunately he was taken when the US was concetrated on Terri in Florida. Our media is run by corporations, who also control our politicians. There was nothing to be gained politically from the hostage situation, but Terri was a political goldmine! If he was kidnapped in between the Terri case, and Britany Spears pregnacy, maybe people in the US would give a damn.



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Love

Originally posted by Lady of the Lake
I am shocked by some of the responses to this thread. They are heartless and totally lacking any level of human empathy.


Where's my compassion? What the Hell does compassion have to do with anything? This guy knew what he was getting involved in, he took a calculated risk, and he's probably going to lose. Compassion from anybody other than his captors isn't going to do anything but still get his dome lopped off. Where's the compassion of the Australian, United States and whoever the Hell else's government when it comes to these poor saps? Oh sorry, they're fresh out!!!

Like I said before, I do feel sorry for the guy, but jeez, he has nobody to blame but himself in the end. I have more compassion for his family that he's going to leave behind. They're going to end up being the real victims here.

Peace


So the victim is to blame?

Interesting - but that appears to be the way of the world these days.

Perhaps, just perhaps Mr Wood (like so many others) who have been taken and executed in the most vile manner, thought they were just doing some good. For their efforts they lose their lives - but it is their fault...

I also feel VERY sorry for his family - I can not imagine the horror this must be for them, but it isn't anywhere near the level it must be for Mr Wood.



posted on May, 7 2005 @ 09:51 PM
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When will these criminals learn - their actions will not dictate the foriegn policy of the western world - they are only selfish criminals who are out for cash.

I pray for the family of the hostage and his safe return.

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posted on May, 7 2005 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by jayce
Lets be honest here! it is the MONEY that brings us across here to this country, nothing else but the money.

our guys carry more amour and ammo than most US units because they fully understand that being captured is guaranteed death for a westerner here as our governments will not pay


We have a contractor who is in Iraq at the moment posting on this thread and everyone's still bickering and flinging their respective opinions around like rotten sheep bladders. It's the Schiavo case all over again.

Jayce, can you describe more what it's like over there? How heavy is the protection like for you guys? Private or government? Are contractors perpetually nervous or not? Do you mix with locals at all? What's the attitude of locals to you lot who are helping to rebuild, and vice-versa? Sorry to pepper you with questions but I'm interested.


Regarding Mr. Wood the hostage, it is a tragedy, yes. This whole farce of a "war" is a tragedy. If we hadn't invaded in the first place, then there wouldn't be any dying contractors, soldiers, or Iraqis. The saddest thing is that we rail at each other, and we argue over whether to blame the Iraqis or the victim, and meanwhile the true guilty parties, the fekwad perpetrators of this whole crime of aggression, Bush, Howard and Blair and all their oil-grubbing cronies, walk around in snappy suits proclaiming "we don't negotiate with terrorists". Pfft! We're so stupid for letting a few limpdik duckwits hijack our countries that maybe we ALL deserve to get our heads cut off. Jayce says it's all about the money. How true. After all, in Australia we still voted for Howard because of his economic policy. Same in Britain a few days ago. Anyone who voted for these buffoons doesn't have the right to claim sympathy for Mr. Wood.



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