jbondo,

No offense taken at all! Thanks for your comments. I completely agree with you that there are possible natural explanations for some of the events I have kept track of here and you won't ever see me say different. So when it comes to things like the sounds in the attic and the book coming off the shelf, I totally agree that there are possible physical explanations.

Other things are harder to explain with the natural world - such as the water faucets turning on by themselves, the wallet, and the spoon. And, yes, I do completely reject the idea of some one going out and buying a matching 100 year old spoon just to pull a prank. Like I stated before the circle of people who would have even known about the fork are 3 - my husband, my daughter, my mother. Of those 3 no one but my husband knew where the fork was (and I have confirmed he knew about the fork, it just took some remembering to verify that). He did not buy the spoon - period. Unless you want to call him a liar and interject the possibility of him attempting to gaslight me. And I'm not sure what he'd get out of spending that energy unless it's just for sadistic grins and giggles. (In 10 years of knowing him he hasn't ever come off that way.)

Concerning your comments about certain aspects/actions of me not being aligned with your concept of a "bible christian". While that's fine that you feel that way, I truly disagree. I am not a "dogma christian", but I am very much a bible christian. Maybe you are confusing dogma with bible. I say that because making the comment that accepting some one's psychic reading on my house, or reading a Harry Potter book is "not bible christian" sounds to me more like it's not a particular "dogma's christian". The bible doesn't tell me I can't read fictional books (although I've never read a Harry Potter book in my life btw - Springer reads them), and it also does not tell me to reject the spiritual gifts of others. In fact, my bible states the gifts are given for a reason...I would think to be used.

As I have stated before, ceremonies of blessings and prayers have been done in my house. And as I've stated beforfe, with the exception of just a couple of oogie events, I have never been uncomfortable in my house or fearful. I find all this very intriguing and I have no desire to drive anything from my house at the moment. Nor do I believe for one moment my house has belonged to Satan - either before my arrival or since.

Thank you again for sharing. We may not agree on all points, but your input brings more views to the situation.


[edit on 10-16-2007 by Valhall]

First off I want to comment on the fact that your beautiful home is turning out more beautiful with your renovations. I grew up in a family homestead from the early 1900's and can appreciate all of the detail in old homes that you cannot find in the homes of today.

I think of the Poltergeist movie when I read this story...wasn't there a story you told about a movie or something on the television starting by itself in the other room? I wish I could link to the post and maybe I am mistaken but that gave me the creeps. And somebody mentioned the burial ground possibility (also Poltergeist), and I think the shape of the trees around the home is quite unique. There must be some form of spiritual or supernatural energy coming from somewhere and it seems your house is a sometimes conduit of this energy (Oklahoma Bermuda Triangle?). (I must admit I have only read about 10 of the 38 or so pages of this thread...I saw Valhall and knew I had to check this out )



(sorry didn't bring much there...but I love the thread!)

[edit on 16-10-2007 by DagoTime]

Originally posted by Valhall
jbondo,

No offense taken at all! Thanks for your comments. I completely agree with you that there are possible natural explanations for some of the events I have kept track of here and you won't ever see me say different. So when it comes to things like the sounds in the attic and the book coming off the shelf, I totally agree that there are possible physical explanations.

Other things are harder to explain with the natural world - such as the water faucets turning on by themselves, the wallet, and the spoon. And, yes, I do completely reject the idea of some one going out and buying a matching 100 year old spoon just to pull a prank. Like I stated before the circle of people who would have even known about the fork are 3 - my husband, my daughter, my mother. Of those 3 no one but my husband knew where the fork was (and I have confirmed he knew about the fork, it just took some remembering to verify that). He did not buy the spoon - period. Unless you want to call him a liar and interject the possibility of him attempting to gaslight me. And I'm not sure what he'd get out of spending that energy unless it's just for sadistic grins and giggles. (In 10 years of knowing him he hasn't ever come off that way.)

Concerning your comments about certain aspects/actions of me not being aligned with your concept of a "bible christian". While that's fine that you feel that way, I truly disagree. I am not a "dogma christian", but I am very much a bible christian. Maybe you are confusing dogma with bible. I say that because making the comment that accepting some one's psychic reading on my house, or reading a Harry Potter book is "not bible christian" sounds to me more like it's not a particular "dogma's christian". The bible doesn't tell me I can't read fictional books (although I've never read a Harry Potter book in my life btw - Springer reads them), and it also does not tell me to reject the spiritual gifts of others. In fact, my bible states the gifts are given for a reason...I would think to be used.

As I have stated before, ceremonies of blessings and prayers have been done in my house. And as I've stated beforfe, with the exception of just a couple of oogie events, I have never been uncomfortable in my house or fearful. I find all this very intriguing and I have no desire to drive anything from my house at the moment. Nor do I believe for one moment my house has belonged to Satan - either before my arrival or since.

Thank you again for sharing. We may not agree on all points, but your input brings more views to the situation.


[edit on 10-16-2007 by Valhall]

Firstly, I would never call anyone a lair although Springer and I do disagree on certain words and we've already talked thru that. I've never disrespected him, nor would I.

Yes, I am aware of everything going on as I did read the entire thread. I am also not saying that reading Harry Potter is the cause of anything, I just mentioned it as something Christians don't commonly do. I said I got mixed signals, never once did I say that you or anyone else were not a valid Christian. Many Christians don't know the Bible as well as others, me included as I often have to look things up. Furthermore Christians make mistakes and do things that may not line up with the Bible, again me included. Please do not think that I am saying you are not a legitimate Christian.

It does seem as though you are offended at what I've offered as I can see it in your writing and I am sorry for that. It would also seem that you may enjoy this "situation" going on and possibly want it to continue. I'm not saying that you do but if it's the case then that's your prerogative as it is your house and your thread.

If you would like to see scripture backing up what I have said I'll be glad to provide it otherwise I think I'll just bite my tongue and move on as I don't really feel that I'm being taken seriously anyway.

That's it for me, have fun all!

By the way, my apologies mods for including the entire previous post but I thought it was relevant to do so.

[edit on 16-10-2007 by jbondo]

Hi Val

I've been gone awhile too. So glad to see your back. While I was gone I had a paranormal experience that nobody would believe. Don't care to go into it here, for the ATS sake. Too many eyes are watching, if you get my general drift?

Worldwatcher said,

She says if you want to keep the spoon, you should place coins, alcohol and some sort of food item at the base of the tree and leave it there as an exchange for the "gift", that way you don't owe the dead anything.

If you have the time Worldwatcher could you please ask your Granny what happen's, if you do owe the dead something?
This has to do with my above unclear statement. What if it's not a material item, like Vals spoon. But was asked as a favor from someone who's deceased? What if a person didn't do what the ghost requested?
I know this sounds really secretive and maybe someday they will have solid evidence. But for now, I'm relying on a paranormal evidence/ experience and you know how far that goes.

Val I would go by what Worldwatcher's Granny say's and put those items, under the tree. Also keep your grandson away from the Y- shaped tree.



[edit on 10/16/2007 by MountainStar]

Originally posted by jbondo

Firstly, I would never call anyone a lair although Springer and I do disagree on certain words and we've already talked thru that. I've never disrespected him, nor would I.

That's cool...I'm not saying you called him a liar. I'm saying that's what he would be if he bought the spoon and put it in the drawer because he has emphatically denied it. You'd have to call him a liar.

He's a bit wigged by this latest development as well. My daughter is also (especially about the Henry connection with the audio taken in 2003 because she was with me at the antique store when the lady gave me the maiden name of her step-mother).

It does seem as though you are offended at what I've offered as I can see it in your writing and I am sorry for that. It would also seem that you may enjoy this "situation" going on and possibly want it to continue. I'm not saying that you do but if it's the case then that's your prerogative as it is your house and your thread.

No, seriously, I'm not. I think you're confusing offended with disagreeing. I disagree with some of your opinions, but they don't offend me.

If you would like to see scripture backing up what I have said I'll be glad to provide it otherwise I think I'll just bite my tongue and move on as I don't really feel that I'm being taken seriously anyway.

It's not that I'm not taking you seriously, it's that I disagree with your interpretation.

Thanks again and please continue to share - even if we don't always see eye to eye.

I feel the need to step in here and if nothing else, support what Val has reported WRT this spoon that has "appeared" much like my bill fold "appeared" wrapped up in the table cloth in the kitchen drawer after having spent the best part of the year missing since my spinal surgery hospital stay. Support not only that but everything else in this thread as well.

I can attest with ZERO reservation and in TOTAL honesty I did NOT buy the spoon and place it in the drawer. Nor did I have anything to do with its appearence in any other way.

This combination of bizarre circumstances has left me wondering everything from "is my wife losing her memory/mind" to "we have a mischievous ghost/spirit in the house" and everything in between.

After careful consideration I am confident the former is not the case and the latter is beyond my ability to understand. I am confident Val is not losing her memory or her mind because she remembers the details of the "spork" (the one her mom gave her that started all of this) better than I did when she asked me about it. That being said, I can also attest to the fact that I remember it exactly the way Val described it. Additionally, Val is a brilliant and very logical person who is extremely successful in every aspect of her life .

I also believe in my heart of hearts that NO ONE who is in this house is a twisted enough sicko to be playing games like this. Nobody in our family is a hateful person. Everybody in our family is as confused by this as Val and I are.

There is a genuine mystery afoot here. What or who is causing it is definitely beyond my ability to reason out at this point.

WRT to my being a "Bible Christian" I would only say that I take the Bible as a great guide for living well and living right. It certainly does NOT preclude me from investigating, reading or believing in the possibility of ANYTHING. I detest dogma and find it to be among the roots of most of the evil done by men.

Springer...


[edit on 10-16-2007 by Springer]

Have you two noticed how much of everything revolves around your kitchen? I would be checking in each of those drawers every single day, maybe twice. Never know what might show up. You have to have, by far, the most interesting kitchen I have ever heard of. Water faucets turning off and on, a hammer that moves around, a wallet that showes up the way it did, and now the cool spoon/spork thing. You have a very happy kitchen.... with magical drawers. I am so jealous. The only thing I find in my kitchen drawers is empty bags of candy that I though I had hidden better.

sosue,

That picture was taken after the last owner's wife (he had already died before) died and the house was put up for sale. It was taken by the real estate agent. The house was vacant then, but long before she died and was moved to a nursing home the second floor had been sealed off basically. There was a bout 3/8" of dust on everything. She had her bedroom downstairs and just closed the top floor to reduce heating/cooling costs I guess.

mrs,

Maybe they will start bringing on my silverware - that would save me a lot of money! *crosses fingers*

Ehmmm, VERY CREEPY! I believe every word you said, because I know things like these exist in our world and no one can explain them (via "logical" & scientific means).

As adults, many of us have lost the childhood "spiritual mindset". Instead, we have been conditioned to think very crudely, materialisticly.

Kids are the most sensitive and usually is the beacon for paranormal beings and happenings, so I do think there is something in your house. So far though it seems it does not have any malevolent intent, although the crying your granchild heard is definitely very disturbing (gave me goosebumbs when I read it)

Ill-feeling is very good gauge, but when you are not as sensitive (most of us are not) you sometimes can not sense those beings which can be very good at hiding or just you can not detect them with your "ill-feeling-gauge".

Night terrors are quite terrifying, and it seems that between the lady crying, the one you met, and the little girl, there are at least 2 or 3 of ghosts in that house.

Some people will not see, sense them. Others will especially when the entity show some interest in contacting a particular occupant of the house.

Sorry, I don't have any real tips just rambling from what I know.

Please do keep us posted! And take care, be safe.

This is getting very interesting. I find the Henry connection between the audio and antique store Lady's maiden name very intriguing.

Thanks for putting up the pictures of the trees - I particularly find pic 13 interesting.

In each 'orb' picture (4, 5, 13, 14), what we are seeing is most likely a lens flare caused by the camera capturing its own flash.

The 'orbs' in pic 4 are likely the result of the camera flash reflecting off the reflectors on the car's bumper. With pic 5 it is the stop sign. I suspect the 'orb' in pic 14 is coming from the reflector on the white car across the street. In pic 13, you can just barely make out the same white car from pic 14 in the background.

However, I do find the one large 'orb' in pic 13 interesting. It almost appears as though it is moving from left to right, and has a slightly darker, more cloudy color.

I put two pics (number 5 and number 13) side by side for comparison:



More than likely it is the flash reflecting off the car in the background, but I think that there might be something to this one.

I am very interested to hear which tree WorldWatcher’s grandmother is referring to.

Well, it hadn't been raining, but it was overcast so it could have been the moisture in the air. I noticed the appearance of movement of the one in 13 as well.

I am curious as well about what tree granny will tell us to avoid. There is one tree on our property that my grandson has been told previously to stay away from. But I will not reveal which or why.

SPRINGER DON'T SAY ANYTHING!

In fact, we all avoid it. So it is going to be very interesting if granny picks that one.

Springer and I just talked over things and got to discussing how almost all of the physical movement occurrences have happened in the kitchen, with the second most active (for physical movement) room has been my daughter's bedroom.

We are going to set up a "ghost-cam" on the kitchen this evening. We will let be on from the time I go to bed until I get up in the morning. I'll have to figure out how to set it up to be viewed online and everything.

Maybe we can get a drawer opening! O_O

oops, had a lengthy phone call just now..

Granny now feels certain that you have multiple spirits on your property. The "dutchman" however she feels he is most strongly attached to #2, and that's the tree you should leave the offering to.

But she also thinks that the "dutchman" planted all these trees and still takes care of them. She says the spirit(s) hang around the other trees #1 & #3, but you don't need to do individual offerings. She said you should talk to them, they hear you. When you leave your gift exchange, thank them for looking after the property and the house and let them know that you don't mind sharing the land but that they should now respect your boundaries (the physical house).

Now I have to mention, I don't think my grandmother understand "orbs" she first wiped her glasses, then she tried wiping the printout sorry i found it funny but I explained to her it was part of the picture, probably raindrops.

MountainStar, you asked what would happened if you didn't "pay back" the dead, she said that the spirits will follow you until you do, and if the particular spirit is strong, it will forcibly take whatever it wants in exchange and more than usually it will be your health or someone you love health.

I'm trying to recall everything else she told me, but I need a few minutes, I have health insurance on the brain and need to make a few calls.

worldwatcher said,

MountainStar, you asked what would happened if you didn't "pay back" the dead, she said that the spirits will follow you until you do, and if the particular spirit is strong, it will forcibly take whatever it wants in exchange and more than usually it will be your health or someone you love health.

Thank-you for asking your Granny the question for me worldwatcher. It doesn't sound too good. I didn't have much time to do what the spirit requested. Now it's too late, unless all the i's were not dotted and all the t's were not crossed. But I'm sure they were. I can U-2 you for a better explaination, if you want me too? But please do feel obligated I know you are very busy. Thanks again.

Sorry Valhall for interrupting your thread. I did not do what was asked of me by a particular spirit. I've had feelings of failure for this spirit, for a long time.

sorry about the multiple posts...

Granny kept mentioning "other spirits", so of course I tried to get descriptions and more details.

There is a "white lady" and a "brown lady"(not black, she would have said that, not sure if she means the clothing or skin color, she didn't elaborate.)

There's children there too, one of them being a baby, the girl is younger than the boy. They died of illness. ("baby' to my grandmother is any child under 5)

There's two distinctly different men. the dutchman and one who reminds her of her grandfather??? (tall, farmer, big hands)

I can't remember more, I can always call her if you have more questions.