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The church of scientology. any info?

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posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 04:31 PM
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Ive been reading about them for awhile.
but havent been able tind any informaion on there belifes or holidays.
any help would be greatly apreciated.




posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 04:37 PM
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Here's an ATS thread on the topic.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Enjoy.



posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 05:10 PM
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Scientology is Hollywood's religion.

There are more self-admitted outspoken Scientologists in Hollywood than there are Christians (for eg).

And the Scientologists are certainly more prominent.

I esp. like how supposedly Nicole Kidman disagreed with Tom Cruise entirely about his views, but they were happily married for some 8 years. Easy to say it afterwards...

Normal people wouldn't get married under those circumstances, but no further explanation is necessary. Its Hollywood.



posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by samel_666
Ive been reading about them for awhile.
but havent been able tind any informaion on there belifes or holidays.
any help would be greatly apreciated.


My best friend's cousin disappeared a few months after she joined the "Church" of Scientology. They convinced her that he family was what they call "suppresive personalities" (Scientology's term for anyone who disagrees with their teachings), and demanded that she excommunicate them from her life or be kicked out of the cult. So guess what she did?

They are absolutely the most dispicable and most dangerous cult in the world. Akilles, ASE: If you guys want to go after a REAL conspiracy, go after Scientologists! Stop bugging innocent masons and take some action against a group that is truly dangerous and insane.



posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 06:35 PM
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tell me about it!!!
i not a mason but my grand father was and im thinking of becoming one.
im so sick of seeing some people talk about how eviel masons are...
r u a mason sebatwerk?
IF u could give me some info itd be greatly appreciated thanx



posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by samel_666
tell me about it!!!
i not a mason but my grand father was and im thinking of becoming one.
im so sick of seeing some people talk about how eviel masons are...
r u a mason sebatwerk?
IF u could give me some info itd be greatly appreciated thanx


Just U2U me and tell me what you would like to know.



posted on Apr, 29 2005 @ 11:51 PM
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samel_666, you won't be disapointed with the links you get from sebatwerk. I asked the same question recently and he was very helpful. I'm still piling through this stuff, but the information is a treasure trove.

By the way sebatwerk, Thanks again for help.


[edit on 29-4-2005 by sharkman]



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 12:00 AM
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I guess it's old news, but Hubbard was a science fiction writer early on, and I remember reading about an incident at a science fiction writers' get together where Hubbard gave a little speech about setting up a religion, or some such thing. After this little talk supposedly Robert Heinlein ripped him apart about the idea of manipulating people through religion. Apparantly Heinlein detested and denounced this clown from that point on. I wish I could remeber where and when I read that, it must have been 25-30 yrs. ago. I justed loved reading Heinlein, Pohl and Asimov, those guys were the best!!!



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by sharkman
I guess it's old news, but Hubbard was a science fiction writer early on, and I remember reading about an incident at a science fiction writers' get together where Hubbard gave a little speech about setting up a religion, or some such thing. After this little talk supposedly Robert Heinlein ripped him apart about the idea of manipulating people through religion. Apparantly Heinlein detested and denounced this clown from that point on. I wish I could remeber where and when I read that, it must have been 25-30 yrs. ago. I justed loved reading Heinlein, Pohl and Asimov, those guys were the best!!!


Hubbard once wrote that making up a religion was the best get-rich-quick scheme ever.



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 01:10 AM
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Scientology as previously mentioned is Hollywoods religion. Anyone who thinks that the "jews" run hollywood have never worked in the business. Before I went to college I tried to get into the "industry", everyone want to work in hollywood right? Soon I figured out that many of the friends I was making were all scientologist. After I worked on a few films and started meeting more and more people, It was repeatedly suggested that I needed to go to an "orientation". Afte a few months of pressure from multiple people I did.

I went to an "orientation" at the celebrity castle in Hollywood California in 1995. It is located off of the 101 Freeway and runs along Franklin ave. It is were celebreties who are scientologist that do not live in california stay when they come out. But it is sort of the "elite"center in california, or as their website likes to claim :

"a Church of Scientology that specializes in delivering Dianetics and Scientology services to celebrities, professionals, leaders and promising new-comers in the fields of the arts, sports, management and government

www.celebritycentre.org...



At the orientation they admininster a 300+ personal questionnaire. The questions on there are about anything from your sleeping patterns to how fast you consume your meals. THey really stress eating slowly for some reason. Many of the questions are repeated three and even four or five times yet worded differently so as to trip the person taking the test.

After one takes the test a representative, I forget their name now I think they are called "Auditors". You see within scientology They have their own kind of slang, a terminology for everything. Anyways the representative takes you into a private room to review the results of your test. Of course they come back and tell you that you have done real bad. Me and a group of friends all did this, and werre all told the same thing no matter what our test scores were. I did the highest out of my friends and I think that's only because I paid attention to the nature of the questions. Besides who knows how they "greade"it anyways.

After the test I was given a thorough tour of the Hubbard castle, complete with history, and stories of the tunnels that run underneath almost a quarter of Hollywood (another story in and of itself). After the tour, I was taken to a room, where I was asked to take another test. This one however was on a machine. But it's sort of like two hollow metallic tubes that are hooked connected by wires to some sort of box shaped device, that has two different "guages". What the numbers were supposed to represent I have'nt a clue. I asked and the representative could not tell me. It's called the E-meter. I now know what it really is, and it is just a silly parlor trick that works off of electricity within the body.
www-2.cs.cmu.edu...

Now when you grabbed both of the cylinders with each hand, the meters begin to jump and bounce back and forth. Automatically the Rep told me that this was a bad sign and I needed "help" immediately. I asked what was that supposed to be and what did that represent and all he said was that it was a machine capable of "reading my life enerrgy".

After all this you are shown a three hour film giving the history of scientology, and the results from numerous court cases which have decided that it IS a religion . I guess the IRS tried to sue them in numerous courts. Anyways the film was full of historical facts and fictions, narrarated all the while by numerous celebrities. One would actually be surprised at just how many celebrities are scientologist.

After the tour of the mansion and the whole shebang...Now comes the real reason of scientology. My representative said that all my test results showed that I was drinking and smoking (which he witnessed me doing on the patio whilst I took the test) and immediately needed what he called a "Puriff" . I said what is a "puriff" ? Oh It is a thousand dollar treatment that consist of a full day of niacin shots, and sitting in and out of saunas of various degrees.

Of course once I had finished the "puriff"then I could get started on my real work. Which would require the purchase of several hundred dollars worth of books, and courses, designed to help me realize, and maximize my "potential".

Scientology is a scam that was started one night with a bet between Arthur C Clark, and L.Ron.Hubbard. Hubbard claimed that religion was bogus and just a money making scam, and claimed he could start a religion if he wanted, and Arthur C clark took the bet. I believe it was for 500 dollars or so. Interestingly enough hubbard lived the remaining years of his life on a boat because he was practically "banned"in essence because of his scientology scam.

Those who can afford it i.e the stars or the rich, they continue on with their lives. Those who are not affluent are convinced into "serving"the orginization. They work in the various centres that can be found worldwide, which provide food and housing. The cool thing is Anyone can be a scientologist, christian jew, muslim, it doesn't conflict. I think in the end they preach that one becomes a god of their own universe after proper training.

I only returned to the center once with another friend who was not a scientologist and did not work in hollywood, I had pressured him into it because he did not believe me. He thought I was going insane. They gave him the exact same spiel. On our drive home he was amaed. Soon after I looked around and saw the truth that is hollywood (not all to do with scientology either) I immediately quit the business, enrolled back in school and never looked back. Hollywood truly is modern day babylon.

And something is definitely rotten in Denmark about Scientology.

[edited "thrice for spelling and additional point]
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[edit on 30-4-2005 by phoenixhasrisin]



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 01:25 AM
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Yeah, I have heard about the new terminology they have, as soon as you step in through the door.

Some interesting stories are that apparently John Travolta became a Scientologist to cure him of, well, unnatural attraction to other men. Or so it goes.

And Tom Cruise, well... Maybe he just joined to meet Travolta?


I heard they especially like to prey on people who are new to a city, who don't have a support network, so that makes perfect sense to HQ in Hollywood!



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 01:33 AM
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Originally posted by phoenixhasrisin
-approriate-

I couldn't find anything to disagree with.

As to religions, the Moonies and Krishna's had similar indoctrinations and maybe still do.

Other groups (I won't get into them in this thread
) have their own brand of 'what/who we are.' Most take a slower approach than the religious types, but both approaches work. Quick for younger people, slower for older people.

People looking to belong to something can find it.


[edit on 30-4-2005 by JoeDoaks]



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 01:44 AM
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Seriously I wasn't making that up. I only got to go to the center because I was working in movies and "moving up the ladder" as they liked to say.

They actually have a seperate centre in hollywood for the "normal" people. The ones mentioned above. Those with no support network, those from out of town seeking fortune and fame, sad really. THey are the ones that end up working in the centers

The only thing that can be disputed is the bet story. I have heard that Arthur C. Clark admitted to it. But who knows. THat would be cool a religion started on a bet



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 12:19 PM
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Basic overview:

www.clambake.org...

Read these books:

The scandal of Scientology by Paulette Cooper
L. Ron Hubbard Messiah or Madman by Bent Corydon

The soap opera at the top: This will not make sense until you study the basics, know the people involved.

www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com...

www.sc-i-r-s-ology.pair.com...

www.ronsorg.nl...

www.lermanet.com...

Cruise is reportedly very friendly with David Miscavage, AKA the poodle, nominal head of $cientology. Very, very friendly.

Travolta allegedly had psychotic episodes when he went through OT III.

No holidays, but clambakers - those of us who oppose $cientology - celebrate January 24, 1986 as Dead Ron Day - the day Ron died, or among the more cynical and heartless, the day the freezer broke...



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Researcher
Travolta allegedly had psychotic episodes when he went through OT III.

No holidays, but clambakers - those of us who oppose $cientology - celebrate January 24, 1986 as Dead Ron Day - the day Ron died, or among the more cynical and heartless, the day the freezer broke...


Great links!

What is OT III?




posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 01:44 PM
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A lot of Scientology services are offered in the Los Angeles area, but go for a walk around downtown Clearwater Florida sometime. A great chunk of realestate is owned by the Church. Many buildings have no sign or marking to identify them but just follow the blue SeaOrg. uniforms that walk around town and you start to see how much of the city is owned by the Church...... Hotels, motels, apartment buildings, office space, retail space, restaurants etc...... You could always look up your local branch and go on down, walk in and ask a few questions, they don't bite.



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 01:46 PM
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No doubt that it is not only a national but international phenomenon. But yes it truly IS hollywoods religion.

If you ever get a chance to work in the entertainmenet industry, you will quickly find that out.



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 02:00 PM
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Aaah, so the rumors about Tom Cruise were always true.

And why wouldn't they be. Even his ex-wife could be considered manly, if you only looked at her body type.

I could not believe the little segment they had on the worthless E-Tonight or whatever they have on CNN, about 'Spirituality in Hollywood'

They were talking about why actors are more OPEN to alternate ideas, because they do more soul searching! In other words, just trust them, they're deep!

Never mind if they are into "'worshipping the goat next door", the guy (Mammon worshipper) ended the segment by saying: "In Hollywood, if your movie opens with $30 mill. every one wants to do lunch. Money is the only thing that is really worshipped." He ended by saying.

Aaah haa... But what do they give up, sacrifice, and to whom, to get this money?



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by akilles
Aaah, so the rumors about Tom Cruise were always true.


It's soo funny because what most people think are rumours, I found out were ALL true when I had orientation at the "elite"celebrity centre!!!!! I guess they only admit those things to certain "insiders"

Guess who I was most surprised was a scientologist?...........Guess yet?

Issac Hayes. Yup that's right SHAFT himself, the voice of Chef from south park.

That nearly threw me off my seat.



posted on Apr, 30 2005 @ 03:23 PM
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There's a "Church" of Scientology center next to my friend's fraternity. He's the one that told me what happened to one of their treasurers. So the members of the center started talking to the treasurer. They got him to go over a couple times, but pretty soon he was over there all the time. His brothers got very worried, so the next time they saw him, they locked hin in his room until his parents came to pick him up. The parents came and the poor kid was taken to a deprogamming center, that is he had to be de-brainwashed. The funny part of the story is that he conveninetly had a $2 million dollar trust fund that he was about to sign away when his fraternity brothers intervened.



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