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Originally posted by JoeDoaks
ALF/PETA tax dollars at work?
Doesn't PETA get grants? Seems like a thread here covered that.
Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
Does anyone have any idea as to motive, on the part of the DHS? Certainly this could be a case of rampant stupidity, but I suspect there might be something deeper. Could they have an agenda that would be served by making themselves out to be ridiculous? Is this to make people ignore them? Is it to engender more distrust? Is it to dissuade people from joining ALF? I'm really trying to understand the motivation behind the link they made.
Could it be that the government is just plain desperate to justify the billions of dollars spent restructuring the Intelligence Agencies and come up with ONE "terrorist" threat it can handle?
I do think the ALF/ELF/PETA need to be shut down, but telling us they're on the same level as Al Queda??
the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
The ALF's stated aims are:
1. to liberate animals from places of abuse, i.e. laboratories, factory farms, fur farms, etc, and place them in good homes where they may live out their natural lives, free from suffering;
2. to inflict economic damage to those who profit from the misery and exploitation of animals;
3. to reveal the horror and atrocities committed against animals behind locked doors, by performing non-violent direct actions and liberations;
4. to take all necessary precautions against harming any animal, human and non-human.
One does not 'join' the ALF in the usual manner (e.g. by filling in a form and sending it to a central office). One becomes an ALF activist by taking direct action, and anyone doing so can "claim" the action on behalf of the ALF by passing the details to Robin Webb at the ALF press office, which serves to co-ordinate news of the various ALF actions, as well as issuing statements to the press.
The SHAC 7 are animal rights activists indicted under the controversial Federal Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act. The Act punishes anyone who "physically disrupts" an animal enterprise. The charges stem from these activists' alleged participation in an international campaign to close the notorious product testing lab [link to insideHLS.com].
Specifically, these activists are alleged to have operated a website that reported on and expressed ideological support for protest activity against Huntingdon and its business affiliates. For this they are charged with "terrorism" and face an aggregate of 23 years in Federal Prison.
The SHAC 7 case is the latest in an onslaught of attacks against domestic dissedents under the guise of fighting terrorism. Animal rights is a "fringe" issue and the government is banking on the broader social justice movement to turn a blind eye to those focusing on the “less important” issue of animals and expressing “extremist” views. But make no mistake - these activists are the canaries in the mine. This case is intended to pave the way for further silencing of activists involved in all issues. It is imperative that the broader social justice movement stand behind these activists in our communal defense of free speech, press, and association. Support the SHAC 7 and support your right to free expression!
Originally posted by obsidian468
Zipdot, I assure you, domestic terrorists like these aren't labelled as such unless they've truly done something to deserve it. The article you posted is from the website of the group accused. Of COURSE they're going to try and make themselves seem like the victim.
Animal Enterprise Protection Act of 1992
"(2) intentionally causes physical disruption to the functioning of an animal enterprise by intentionally stealing, damaging, or causing the loss of, any property (including animals or records) used by the animal enterprise, and thereby causes economic damage exceeding $10,000 to that enterprise, or conspires to do so; shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
Regarding the video link you posted, most medical research facilities are not run like this. Any respectable facility within the United States (I don't know the laws regarding this for other countries) are closely watched for humane treatment of the animals, as well as have more stringent guidelines for the care of the animals than most hospitals do for human patients.
The bias in your video clip is that it was posted by an organization that supports groups such as PETA and ELF, and want to paint the worst possible picture of these research centers. They are going to edit and narrate the tape to make the viewer think that this is commonplace, rather than the exception.
for all the good it does, they might as well firebomb the daycare next door, since they have a hamster and the kids constantly poke and prod it.
Originally posted by Zipdot
If you mean to purport that there is some kind of permanent resident of the facility, working for a regulatory agency, that watches daily operations to ensure conformity to laws and regulations, I can assure you that there is no such thing. Several requirements exist for licensure, and spot checks are performed, but there is no guarantee that animals aren't maltreated.
Some may, of course, argue that the very testing of products on animals itself is maltreatment, but I am not inclined to argue about that either way.
I did not comment on the video beyond conveying my disturbedness after watching it. Of course it is narrated by an animal rights activist and whatnot, but as an undercover video, it undeniably portrays acts of extreme abuse towards animals.
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
And yes, ALF destroys property and causes a lot of inconvenience, but as far as I know they've never harmed a soul.
[edit on 30-4-2005 by WyrdeOne]
Originally posted by WyrdeOne
The reason this thread is in WAR, is because a WAR has been declared against this group, so any conflict that arises out of the FBI actions targetting ALF will be part of the larger WAR effort.