smallpeeps, that is an extract from the page i linked. No doubt you can find more if you google the right words.
Originally posted by dirk d
HOW, I would like to look into this more. Im in Iraq rightnow and I see the seem thing on both sides. No one is real big on killing. Id say
us(soldiers), are more up to it then the locals. Thats why ieds or so big. Its much easier to talk people into killing if they dont see the effects
or can run off without being killed. Its no big serect that a good portion of people around the world dont support killing others in anyway. The use
of pride, fear, envy and the like help feed a killers mind. Im not sure if you would be into Bertrand Russell's work but he looks into the reseasons
for killing and shows how unhuman it is but with a little help of human emotions and brainwashing one can be turned into a SF soldier in no time
I think it is easy to sit in a war room somewhere and plan what you are going to do, but when you are the person who has got to carry it out it is a
Its easy for planners to formulate PNAC, and theorise what they could do and how, almost like playing a game.
Its different though to be presented with having to do something in real life.
Its easy to talk about killing those 'terrorists' or 'insurgents' but much harder to actually do it because you have got to work out who they
actually are and ultimately you are the one who has got to live with that and bear responsibility for what you do.
If you take accountability away, if you let people get away without the proper consequences of their actions then you create trouble.
Leaders of nations have to be responsible and accountable when they get it wrong, if they are not then it becomes like playing a game.
I dont think soldiers on either side really want to fight each other. I guess some might say they do, especially young Americans, but you have to ask
how far are you prepared to go, if you are prepared to kill other people then there are no social rules anymore. You cant kill someone then turn
around and expect someone else not to kill you.
Its easy when you are not taking responsiblility and just following orders with everyone else. Us vs Them is a big factor.
What though if you were doing it on your own? Would you do everything you just did off you own back? Do you believe in your cause so strongly that you
would have flown out to Iraq by yourself to fight whoever you are fighting even if nobody else had bothered.
I think war is dangerous because its lots of people not taking personal responsibility for what they are doing, just following orders from someone in
a war room somewhere. You have enorous power when you have a gun and you are given a right to kill people. If you combine that with the diffusion of
responsibility you get from taking orders from somewhere else and working with other people, therefore not being personally responsible/accountable,
then you can easily create chaos.
I personally do not think that anyone really wants war, whatever political, religious, moral, belief that they have, because at the end of the day
everyone is human and no human likes killing other humans, much less having other humans try and kill them.
The only people that want war are those who can make it happen without being accountable to further their own ends, money or prejudice or whatever.
The technology of weapons has evolved so that people can make things happen without actually having to see the results. Bombs dropped from planes are
a good example.
The way any war happens is by demonising the opponent and that is done deliberately by someone with an agenda. If you make them 'less than human'
almost like animals then that makes people angry and they want to teach them a lesson.
In reality however, demonising is always a lie because there is one fact, no matter what race or nationality everyone is human and has the same
emotion, nobody is really a deamon and that truth always comes out, althought usually far too slowly.
Everyone is human and humans do things for a reason. If someone hates you then most likely they have a good reason for it, and hate usually comes from
fear of you or pain you caused or both. If you make people scared or you cause them pain then they will hate you, and some will even give up their own
lives because you hurt them so much. Maybe you killed thier family wife, daughters, sons from dropping an anonymous bomb. You destroy their life and
their is no accountabiity. That drives people crazy, and it goes on every day in the world because people think other humans are less than human, and
are somehow evil.
I guess the media (propaganda) tells them so. It seems almost all media has an agenda, even if they dont realise it, and there are alot of people who
are demonised through TV, radio, newspapers.
In world war 2, both the British and the Germans genuinely believe that they other was a pack of animals, who would rape and torture and kill
indiscriminately. Obviously that was not true, and when people meet up they realise that. However thats was what they were both told.
It seems to me war is just a game played by those who dont have to take part in it personally, they deliberately demonise other human beings through
propaganda for no good reason, because they know its all lies, other than to make you go and fight in their war for their own ends.
Supposedly its being patriotic, but thats just silly. There is nothing wrong with supporting your country, but it is never acceptable to kill other
humans, patriotism is not an acceptable reason.
Personally i dont think anyone wants war or wants to fight, or 'hates freedom' as Bush suggests some might. I just think that people just want to
feel safe and happy.
War is never 'Justifiable,' nobody wants to be involved in it and much less deal with the inevitable, long lasting consequences of killing
Its still going on though, every day someone from the 'Axis of Evil' is targeted in the media.
That fact together with statements like we should prepare for "a war with no foreseeable end", make me very skeptical of the future. I feel sorry
for Iraqis, and anyone else of the Axis of Evil.
Iran next anyone?
[edit on 2-5-2005 by AdamJ]