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posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:10 PM
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So after all that has happened u can hoenstly say it was good we went into iraq?

It doesnt bother you your country LIED to you ?
Pulled the curtains over your eyes?

SOOOO many of your country men dying??

democracy cant be FORCED on someone, especially in the middleleast.

Bush is a criminal.
Anyone who believes him is simply a fool.

Id rather be french that American, because at the moment your leader is killing your standing in the world.

Putting all this money into a country, which he falseley went to war in, when soo many of you live in poverty and dont even have the basic essentials of life.

I larf at any man who stands up for bush, because he is wrong!


How can u say the election was even sustainable?
Soo many people not voting.
So much outside influence.
And they only just decided on a cabinet today.

This gvt is simply a puppet gvt put in place by the americans.

You dont work for the government do you ?

Lemme guess,
1 you chew tobacco
2 you have a gun, and feel its your RIGHT to shoot any M**** F**** around
3 You think all citizens from other countries should bow down to your american greatness.

well guess what, Rome was the greatest civilization on this planet, and they failed because they crumbled from within.

America will always be the 2nd greatest civilization on this planet, and they too will fail because from within the forced it to crumble.


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[edit on 28-4-2005 by GlobalDisorder]




posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:18 PM
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I changed my mind.

Bush supporters, tell me this: why doesn't Bush want to close our borders?

Why does he support the New Freedom Initiative?

If you people don't think that Bush is bad, you haven't been paying attention. Hell, he was dirty when he was the Texecutioner; do you have any idea how many peeps he had killed while he was gov of my state? Even when there was evidence that some may not have been guilty, he had 'em put down. This loser MOCKED that Karla Faye Tucker lady before they put her down.

I think that Bush is a bisexual, owl-worshipping, word bumbling, bloodthirsty slave to the corporations that are his masters. He's a criminal from a criminal family, and he's a fake Texan. The dude is dirty, but he's in good company with the people running things. The worst thing is, he ain't the worst of them, and he really doesn't run the show.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:24 PM
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Whoa, now, Global, we the US were the GREATEST civilization on Earth! Key word is WAS (or were
). Despite all the racism, bigotry, and other BS, we were the $hit. But you are right; even almighty Rome fell, as did the Egyptians, and the Persians, and the Mongols under Genghis Khan, who almost took this planet. Only delusional or dumb people think a country is invulnerable...



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:25 PM
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The propondrance of the evidence rests on the Bush fans.

Where is the evidence that he's not evil?

Where is the evidence that he's great?

Looking forward to your answers.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:26 PM
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I agree thurthseeka,

Someone behind bush is pulling the strings.

And there are two main people whom woundt surprise me.

Bush Snr, and Rummsfield.

They were running thigns back in the day when bush jnr was bankruppting oil companies.

THey tricked iraq into invading Kuwaitt, which is where this WHOLE bloody S**T fight began,

what did saddam say ' the mother of all battles '

Bush new Sept11 was on the way.
HE wasnt directly the one responsible but he knew it was coming.

He left borders, airport security untouched.
Didnt intervene iwth flight school students, he did nothing.

IF they hit us, we can hit them, and then Rape, Pillage and brutally abuse there countryman.

yep, sounds like a rummy thing to say to me.

AGAIN Why have they left security so untouched, so vulnerable?
They want to be hit again.

There just sitting around tapping there fingers begging to get hit, because if that happens, then there's no stopping them.

Thankgod Im not in america, id be very scared of my gvt right now.
THey need something big to happen in order to continue there plans, and bush doesnt have long left to instagate it.

Todays date is April 29th, Im backpacking Europe this year in Aug, and im dearly hoping that nothing has happened before then.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:28 PM
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Brilliant post tempe,
stop trying to get us to prove he's evil, there's post after post after post showing this

start proving to us he's decent!



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:30 PM
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I'm your Puppet-

Pull a string and i'll look at you, I'm your puppet...
I'll do funny things if you want me to, i'm your puppet....

Darn, i wish i could remember the rest of the lyrics.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:33 PM
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Originally posted by SportyMB
Many people here on ATS start threads, post replies and give comments that accuse President Bush and Rumsfield of being these war monging, evil doers who side with satan. Many of you have even gone as far as to put them in the same category as Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden, Saddam Hussien and many other non-disputeable tyrants and all around bad guys.

My question is, Wheres the proof? The evidence?

I'm not talking about articles from Aljzeera. Im talking about actual, factual It's on CNN so it must be true evidence! (CNN at the minimumm, at least it's a start). I mean very rarely do some of the Anti-bush members of ATS actually provide proof of thier outrageous claims against Bush and Rumsfeld as it relates to the war on terror, Iraqi War (OIF), Afhanistan, and many others.

Well a few questions first. Why is Aljzeera any different than CNN? Do you think anyone news source is better than another? How about take in all sources and weight out the facts. Im sure you're one who thinks FOX is a real news source. Better yet stop posting and read some history. You can ask for proof but if you already have your mind made up then dont bother. Look into Rumsfield's past and tell me what hes been up to. Start with the Vietnam War. Look into the Bush family and its roots. This stuff isnt made up. If you think the TV is going to tell you anything thats true then think about why we even have it. Is it free, I mean can you just get on and bash on Bush if you wanted? How do the networks pick the stories to report. There are more thing going on than can be report in five mintunes between ads. If you want to understand the US support, funding, and arming of many nations in the past and who is behide it would take a mini series to even start. Im not sure what single thing I could even bring up in the forum. I guess look at the Contras in Central Amercia. You need proof on what was going on there right? Fickin do some reading before you open your mouth. Look into who is now going to be the new head of the Intell in the US. You tell me what he did with the Contras. You can question all you want than so can I. Ok today Bush own crownie reported they didnt find any WMDs. Is that a fact, it was on CNN? Bush ask us to go to war because we would be attacked by these WMDs in the near future. That was on CNN too. Bottom line give me some proof that the US hasnt killed thousands in East Temor, Vietman, Afhanistan, Iraq, Nicaragua, and the list goes on. Sure you may show that that Bush didnt have a smoking gun in his hand but can you show that without US support this wouldnt have happened. You really thing a few misguided people in the army did all this. Wake up. The US rules the world by fear.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:33 PM
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Funny how everyones so quick to reply saying your a fool for doubting bush, yet no one can reply with proof of him being honest/decent!

Kinda says it all



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:39 PM
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... how about bush the speach bush gave stating uranium from nigeria, which he was TOLD wasnt true before giving the speach??

There's a new movie out ' the world according to bush '

I cant remmeber EXACTLY wat it was, but there was another piece of his speach that was TOLD to be false before he used it.

I think it was the time it would take to launch an attack on the US from Iraq.


liek I said ofcourse theres no proof
This is the US Gvt.
How can we have pieces of paper stating ' bush lied ' TOP SECRET

WE USE OUR BRAINS>

he tricked the world for 1.5yrs into believing saddam was the grave theat to hummanity he had a hand in sept11

but he didnt?... so why lie ?

Even his own officials said as soon as sept11 happeend, they went into combat mode VS Iraq.

its the second time in 10yrs the USA has attacked IRAQ without being threatend or attacked itself.

How funny, both were under the presidentiality of the BUSH FAMILY! and rummsfield as the right hand man!



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by GlobalDisorderSo after all that has happened u can hoenstly say it was good we went into iraq?


Well in the big picture yes I do. Saddam had to go and just because the Tulipwalker mentality is too damn naive to see what the POS had to go doesn't mean it was wrong to go in.

It befuddles the mind to know that damn near EVERYONE EVERY COUNTRY thought he had weapons, and was the ONLY one to USE them in the last 25 years. He funded TERROR all over the World and his oil for food program made a mockery of the believed Tulipwalker organization that is the dirt pit of Modern times, the UN.

Yes I would still support the decision as it takes the war against the terrorists both nation state and not to our terms.




Originally posted by GlobalDisorderIt doesnt bother you your country LIED to you ?Pulled the curtains over your eyes?


No more than it bothered me that France, GB, Russia, well and every other nation lied to me....We all thought he had them. Just like he wanted us to think. He played a very deadly game at the wrong time in history.




Originally posted by GlobalDisorderSOOOO many of your country men dying??


Do you even have a concept of what they are dying for? Do you remember Vietnam a 8-10 year war cost 58,000 lives, and yet in Iraq we have lost 1500+ in 2.5 years? People die to protect countries interests, No different than when I served and I am damn proud of the job they are doing. It is sad that most of these deaths are attacks by cowards that prey on civilians. I guess you like them and the company they keep.




Originally posted by GlobalDisorderdemocracy cant be FORCED on someone, especially in the middleleast.


It wasn't forced on them. They withstood GUNFIRE and DEATH THREATS to take the chance and VOTE on who they wanted and not who the USA told them to vote for. The Middle East? Whats happening in Egypt? Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, shall I keep going?




Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
Bush is a criminal.Anyone who believes him is simply a fool.


No more than any other politician is. I am no fool, you should be glad that not all people in power are pacifist and such. You safety depends on it. I do believe him, when I had the chance to actually see him he was not one of my favorite people, to liberal for me. But alas, he has since grown on me and he has balls bigger than his father whom I didn't like either.



Originally posted by GlobalDisorderId rather be french that American, because at the moment your leader is killing your standing in the world.


Who gives a flying rats ass what the world thinks. their comes a time when you have to make a stand, after 911, we are making ours. I personally could give a # less what the Germans and the French think. No one over there has been paying for my defense for 50 damn years, rebuilt the US, and then stabbed that friend in the back as much as those 2 nations have. If I had my way, I would pull all forces off the continent (just as the defector from the USSR said we would) and force the Germans to finally TAKE France and therefore as punishment be FORCED to KEEP it.





Originally posted by GlobalDisorderPutting all this money into a country, which he falseley went to war in, when soo many of you live in poverty and dont even have the basic essentials of life.


What? have you even been here? Our poor are better off than 3 billion other humans on this rock. Don't believe that just because we don't have the socialist freebies that the EU has means that we are lacking. Sure there are people who are poor and homeless but that is not near the problem the TulipWalkers will have you believe.




Originally posted by GlobalDisorderI larf at any man who stands up for bush, because he is wrong!


Well get to laughing! I puke at any man unwilling to fight because of being yellow (not aimed at you personally, but at the Tulipwalker capitulationist mentality that seems to rule these pansy liberal wacko's)





Originally posted by GlobalDisorderHow can u say the election was even sustainable?Soo many people not voting.So much outside influence.
And they only just decided on a cabinet today.



Even America took a few YEARS. It makes me sick to see people bitch about things when these folks stood in the streets for 8 hours to vote when being told if they did they would die. Wake UP.



Originally posted by GlobalDisorderThis gvt is simply a puppet gvt put in place by the americans.


Again, do you think the US wanted a #e majority? DOH



Originally posted by GlobalDisorderYou dont work for the government do you ?


Nope sure dont, wouldn't mind it though, they got damn good benifits.


Originally posted by GlobalDisorderLemme guess,
1 you chew tobacco


Nope - Again the Tulipwalker sterotype fails again!


Originally posted by GlobalDisorder2 you have a gun, and feel its your RIGHT to shoot any M**** F**** around


Well I do own a firearm as do 150 million other Americans. Is it my right to shoot any MF who comes to do me harm. Damn Straight and I would bat an eye. The TulipWalkers love the criminals not the victims.



Originally posted by GlobalDisorder3 You think all citizens from other countries should bow down to your american greatness.


Not at all, but I damn sure wish more were willing to fight for their own freedom instead of being panty waste's. I wish the younger generation such as yourself would pick up a damn history book and learn about what has happened so you don't repeat it.





Originally posted by GlobalDisorderwell guess what, Rome was the greatest civilization on this planet, and they failed because they crumbled from within.


Not even close, but it lasted much longer and will because we are damn near a global nation now. Even at its height, Rome was not as strong as the USA is today sad to say and even less so 20 years ago.



Originally posted by GlobalDisorderAmerica will always be the 2nd greatest civilization on this planet, and they too will fail because from within the forced it to crumble.


Not if we keep the liberal panty waste TulipWalkers ourt of office like we did last Nov 4th. You want to know the best part about that day? It was not seeing Kerry loose but it was seeing you Europeans cry!

As Jackie Gleason said..."How Sweet It Is!"



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by GlobalDisorder

its the second time in 10yrs the USA has attacked IRAQ without being threatend or attacked itself.


How about you tell that to the F-18 and F-15 pilots flying the no-fly zone for 8 years putting their lives on the line to enforce a corrupt UN policy to get peace in which Saddam had AGREED to?

My money say you wouldn't have the balls.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 10:32 PM
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Something Adolf Hitler said
Russia HAS NOT particpated in the Hague convention, and there fore has NO RIGHTS under it, Germany will act without Mercy and in the HARSHEST Manner


.... jee's sounds very simlliar to ' enemy combatants have no rights. so technically we arent torturing them '

Half of the US Soilders in IRAQ arent there because they have big balls, they arent there becuase they believe in freeing IRAQ.
They want to kill people. plain and simple. why do it ilegally in the US when u can be sent to IRAQ to do it , and get paid for it.

I know a damn lot about history.

How many countries were occupied, how many MILLION people were murdered until the US Stepped in..
and they ONLY stepped in because they were hit.

France has every reason to stab u in the back, because u did NOTHING for them until u were stung by the big bad german bee urself.

Blair of the UK even had his own cronnies tell him the facts us was giving was lies.
He even look liked he disagreed with bush, but followed because bushed twisted his arm.

I hear it alot that the whole world beileved saddam had WMD, what a lot of BS!

THE US convinced its own citizens firstly,
got countries like moroccoa, nepal, lithuania etc etc who have NO POLICITAL SAY in world affairs to follow them..

Im sure If I offered a poor man $10 in aid he'd help me beat someone up.

Why is it clear to everyone else the criminal that runs ur country...


In terms of its time, rome was by far more advanced and civilizaed that the USA of today.

Your too busy in foreign crap your own country is turning to #.
Your young kids are murdering each other, Hey if you think its perfectally fine to murder someone who breaks into your house its no wonder your country is full of sadisitc thugs. why not smack there knee caps with a baseball bat, nah hell with that I wanna see some blood yand brains splatter all over my living room floor. ITs my PATRIOTIC DUTY!

pverty is taking over in some towns.

your geting deeper and deeper into debt.

Heres a quetsion for you.

Being Saddam had NO WMD... and wasnt a THREAT TO ANYONE.. why is he STILL being charged..

oooh right murdering his own people, and all that.
whats happening in Suddan at the moment?
Whats mugabe doing to his own people..

HELL WHAT ARE YOU BLOODY YANKS DOING TO IRAQ?

If this invasion was SOLEY about WMD and saddams ties to terrorism.. he wuold of been released and apologised too
because it was become clear HOW WRONG THE US WAS..

IF a man is sent to jail for a murder, and found innocent, he's released yes?

Obviosuly not in the oval office way of justice.

Americans make me sick.. they think the world owes them for saving europe.
They did noting but retaliate against a bug that bit them.

I am not european either.



And what the HELL Does FA18 pilots have to do wtih the US attack IRAQ twice in 10yrs without being thraetend or attacked.

Those pilots are there because they are being paid to do it . CLEAR AND SIMPLE!

Try something else!!!

ALSO Funny how the UN has only become a curropt bunch of tulipwalkers SINCE They didnt agree to follow u into IRAQ.

Turns out, France, Germany and the UN Were right.
There was no justification for WAR


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[edit on 28-4-2005 by GlobalDisorder]



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 10:37 PM
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I just looked at the "New Posts" list and there's way too many posts about "George Bush " this and "George Bush" that... That "dark days" black band is supposed to mean something according to the people who run ATS. I think it has something to do with idiotic political threads like this. Seem like trolling disguised under a thin veneer of newbieness. Personally, my goal is to take threads like this and use them to slam BOTH parties and all dolts who profess that one is better than the other.

WyrdeOne is right (again). The money trail does not lie. Fortunately for the elites, the American herd is ignorant of finances and bored by nightly news that mentions corporate execs stealing millions of dollars. The mass attention span has been so severely shortened that they can't sit still for news about such unflashy topics as criminal-incompetence at the elite corporate level (Enron, Worldcom, Tyco), how horribly flimsy the security for their utilities are, how porous their borders are. They bob their heads to the two-party song as bankruptcy laws for ALL average joes are being tightened and college kids still get sold into perennial credit-slavery/debt. Don't worry kids, military service will pay those credit card bills off.

The Bushes expect you to follow them. All presidents know Americans are stupid. They know Americans are stupid because they know the media only provides stupid memes and so their heads are full of patriotic nonsense. I was born in Boston in 1973 (raised on PBS) and I still didn't figure this out until just the last few years. There are so many barriers to the truth that you have to want it badly or you will not find it.

Partisan threads like this have got to be some kind of conspiracy.




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posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 10:39 PM
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I want to apologise to the US citizens who disagree with whats happening in IRAQ.

I wont call you guys yanks any more,
A yank is a gunhoe who supports this genocide in IRAQ.
An american citizen is someone who stands up for rights and believes in the greater good.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 10:39 PM
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EdSinger- there are ladies here. Watch your potty typing.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
So after all that has happened u can hoenstly say it was good we went into iraq?


Yes Sodaminsane needed to go...


Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
It doesnt bother you your country LIED to you ?
Pulled the curtains over your eyes?


My country didn't lie to me, the information was provided from other countries as well...


Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
SOOOO many of your country men dying??


Your countrymen are there as well...


Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
Bush is a criminal.
Anyone who believes him is simply a fool.


Bush is a criminal...well..that makes your leader a criminal as well...


Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
Id rather be french that American, because at the moment your leader is killing your standing in the world.


Well...at least we don't drop our guns at the first sign of trouble...


Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
Putting all this money into a country, which he falseley went to war in, when soo many of you live in poverty and dont even have the basic essentials of life.


So...there is no one that lives in your country in poverty ???


Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
How can u say the election was even sustainable?
Soo many people not voting.
So much outside influence.
And they only just decided on a cabinet today

This gvt is simply a puppet gvt put in place by the americans.



Dude...you've got to give them a chance, you know Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither will the Iraqi Government, it takes time, if you would even take the time to read the Iraqi blogs you would see this as true ( which in fact they've never had before )...


Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
Lemme guess,
1 you chew tobacco
2 you have a gun, and feel its your RIGHT to shoot any M**** F**** around
3 You think all citizens from other countries should bow down to your american greatness.


Not real sure on how to comment on this, it seems you have a stereotype of America, which is false...


Originally posted by GlobalDisorder
America will always be the 2nd greatest civilization on this planet, and they too will fail because from within the forced it to crumble.


In your opinion who is the 1st ???



Edit to fix quote...



[edit on 28-4-2005 by Jedi_Master]



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 10:48 PM
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Hussein was corrupt and dangerous.

Bush is corrupt and dangerous.

Hang them both and let's build cheap concrete houses for poor people instead of lining the pockets of defense contractors who provide munitions and electronics with built in obsolescence.

Politicians and the rich will suck every ounce of blood from the individual, and defile the corpse, all to maintain the caste system and insure the survival of their half-witted, inbred progeny.

This twisted merry-go-round has been spinning in the same direction for more than 5k years, and people refuse to get off because they have been deceived into believing one day they'll be the rider instead of the horse.



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 10:50 PM
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MY country is TRYING to help those in poverty, it isnt pouring all its money into its OIL4FREE program.

Saddam Hussein was no threat to anyone.
There are leaders in other places in this world who are murdering many many more than he ever did. WHY ARE YOU AFTER HIM..

The French laid down there guns in defeat, they didnt want to lose there city
Coward as it sounds, smart also.

In terms of time, rome was the greatest most advanced civilization, they founded so much, and created so many ideoligies.

They did more in there time frame than america ever did.
America has convinced itselfo f its greatness



posted on Apr, 28 2005 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by GlobalDisorder

And what the HELL Does FA18 pilots have to do wtih the US attack IRAQ twice in 10yrs without being thraetend or attacked.

Those pilots are there because they are being paid to do it . CLEAR AND SIMPLE!

Try something else!!!
ALSO Funny how the UN has only become a curropt bunch of tulipwalkers SINCE They didnt agree to follow u into IRAQ.

Turns out, France, Germany and the UN Were right.There was no justification for WAR


No it turns out that France and Germany had been lying and not following what they agreed to in the UN Security council. Liers and Cheats.



Well first of all it was the UK and US pilots being SHOT at for enforceing the UN no fly zone, an attack on a pilot was an attack on the US in my opinion.

As for Saddamn being no threat?



Most of what you type is Tulipwalker bullpuckey (hows that DG?)


OH by the way, the US is not charging Saddam, the IRAQI's are.

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