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The Miracle of Medjugorje

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posted on May, 1 2005 @ 02:29 AM
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Every1 go here and look at all her messages and please tell me anything you find wrong with them, or is anti anything.




posted on May, 1 2005 @ 02:44 AM
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Originally posted by Croat56
Every1 go here and look at all her messages and please tell me anything you find wrong with them, or is anti anything.


Give me a while and I'll make a list, but here is one that troubles me greatly. (emphasis mine)

June 13, 1985 "Dear children! Until the anniversary day I am calling you, the parish, to pray more and to let your prayer be a sign of surrender to God. Dear children, I know that your are all tired, but you don't know how to surrender yourselves to me. During these days surrender yourselves completely to me! Thank your for having responded to my call."



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 03:06 AM
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Ah I found a better website medjugorje.hr.nt4.ims.hr...



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
So my question here is since you are saying Mary
is the mother of God, is that when Jesus existence began?

Of course not. You know that. Jesus always was and always
will be. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.

However, Mary is still his mother. She carried Him in her womb.
She gave birth to him. She raised Him and took care of Him.
She is His mother. It's just that simple. Why prottys continually
want to take that away from her is strange. It's like they are
scared of her being His mother or something. Jesus is God.
She's His mother. She is the mother of God. It's very simple.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
So how we live our life gets us to heaven, is that what you are saying?Christianity. Spiritual credit granted for good works.

No. The Catholic Catechism is very clear. Faith is what obtains
heaven. Christ redeemed. We accept Him and are saved or not.
Period. The protestant notion that Catholics think good works
save people is ... strange. The Catechism is very clear on this.

Good works are an outward sign of God's saving grace within us.
James said that faith without works is dead. So many times you
can read by the fruits if a person has accepted Christ or not ...
but no ... works do not earn heaven. That's in the Catechism
which I AGAIN encourage people to go and read so they understand
what Catholics REALLY believe.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
. You know that. Jesus always was and always
will be. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
God, and the Word was God.

Jesus is God.
She's His mother. She is the mother of God. It's very simple.



Yah I did know that but, I am trying to find out what you believe. You have given me a little insight though. From this it appears that Catholicism has taken the fact that Jesus was born of a woman and put a spin on it that isn't right. Mary has been elevated to a place not intended and Jesus has been lowered down and lost part of His diety.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
you are the 2nd person of catholic belief this week that
has told me that a person goes to heaven based on their works

confirming something concerning the catholic teachings.


Back up the turnip truck there db ... you have spoken to two
Catholics who don't understand salvation as taught by the
Catholic church. They mean well, I'm sure, but it's NOT what
the church teaches. So you can 'unconfirm' in your mind the
notion that Catholics think they can buy their way into heaven
by doing good deeds. It doesn't work that way.

However ... if you have faith and you sit on your butt end and
do nothing .. then you are as guilty as the person who was given
$$ and buried it. Remember the parable of the three servants who
were given $$ (faith) ... one made it grow a bunch, one made it
grow some, and one buried it and had it do nothing. The master
wasn't happy with the one who buried it, was He?

Faith = key to heaven. Doing nothing with your faith
doesn't make God a happy camper. Works don't buy
salvation. Lack of works = sign of dead faith (see James).



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
The protestant notion that Catholics think good works
save people is ... strange. The Catechism is very clear on this.



2 Catholics have told me in the last week that good works are what get's someone to heaven. Also from the outside looking in that is how Catholicism if presented. Also faith in Mary. If that's not what Catholicism is really about, someone is doing an awfully poor job , because good works is what comes through. It's hard to believe otherwise when those instructed in the Catholic belief system , state that fact first hand.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Faith = key to heaven. Doing nothing with your faith
doesn't make God a happy camper. Works don't buy
salvation. Lack of works = sign of dead faith (see James).


This isn't a trick question. I'm trying to find out what you believe. The faith you talk about is placed in whom/what?



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by jake1997

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Says you. Nothing Mary says goes against scripture.

In the thread, "Something about Mary", you will find some of this
I am the perfect and perpetual Virgin Mary, Mother of the True God
None of this is in scripture. Please show the verse for all to see


Jake Jake Jake ....

#1 - Your garbage posted in 'Something about Mary' is just that ..
garbage. I have better things to do than hang out in the city dump.

#2 - you have problems with Mary being Jesus mother? Take that up
with Jesus. It's all through the gospels. MARY was chosen by God to
be the Mother of Jesus... Jesus who is true God incarnate. The Word
made flesh. Mary is his mother. I am not going to sit here and type
in the entire nativity from the gospel of Luke because you can't see
the fact that MARY did indeed give birth to the 2nd person of the
Blessed Trinity. Open your bible and read it.

#3 - Your continuing Sola Scriptura problem is really stagnating you.
As has been previously said ... if you choose to continue to persue the
ANTI-BIBLICAL notion of Sola Scriptura then fine ... be happy ..
wallow in it if you wish ... but try to understand (as I have told you
before many times) the bible itself says that it doesn't contain all
the truth and all the teachings of Christ. The bible itself says to hang
on to oral and sacred traditions. Either start doing what the bible
says and accept the fact that there are truths that have been passed
down that aren't written in the bible or continue with the anti-biblical
sola scriptura religion you have chosen but be warned that if you
continue with your anti-biblical religion, you will never understand
divine truths such as Mary being the mother of God. Sad, but true.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Ryanp5555
a little information on Jesus' brother, James.

a little information on Jesus' COUSIN James -
and that alleged burial box of his
www.catholic.com...



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Ryanp5555
Mary was not a prepetual virgin

Nowhere in the bible does it say that Mary had other children.
No where. Find one place where it says so-and-so, son of
Mary and Joseph. It doesn't. Jesus gave Mary to John at the
foot of the cross because Mary had no one left in the family.
Joseph was dead. Jesus was about to die. No other children.
Hence, he gave her to John to take care of. If there had been
other children and He gave His mother into the care of an
outsider, that would have been a major slap in the face to
the other children and against Jewish custom, tradition, and
law. He wouldn't have done that. Hence ... no children.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:49 PM
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I can find a place in the bible where it says Jesus had brothers. Can you find one that says cousins?
No?
Didnt think so.
Your virgin mary is a demon



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

a little information on Jesus' COUSIN James -
and that alleged burial box of his
www.catholic.com...


Why does Mary have to be a virgin forever? What does this destroy if she and Joseph had children?

At least 2 verses I find in the Bible contradict this. Matthew 1:18 and 1:25 especially. Speaking of Joseph...And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.

It's even mentioned that Jesus is her firstborn implying that she had more sons.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
From this it appears that Catholicism has taken the fact that Jesus was born of a woman and put a spin on it that isn't right. Mary has been elevated to a place not intended and Jesus has been lowered down and lost part of His diety.


So how exactly is telling the truth ... that Mary is the mother of God ...
how is this falsely raising her up? She's His mother. That's just a fact.
It takes away nothing of His diety. How could it? He's still the same
God-man. Nothing has changed by acknowledging the fact that He
had a human mother.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:52 PM
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MARY was chosen by God


Which is it? Is mary the mother of Jesus or God? You will say that God and Jesus are the same. Thats a lie. They are one, but not the same.
Otherwise..


1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


So which one of them is mary the mother of?



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
If that's not what Catholicism is really about,
someone is doing an awfully poor job ,

Yes, they are doing a poor job. Since Vatican II
many, if not most, Catholics aren't getting educated
on what their faith is. It's a generation lost.


those instructed in the Catholic belief system

That's the problem. No Catholic instruction.
I'm a 3rd grade CCD teacher. Let me tell ya' ...
The kids are a mess. About 1/3 actually listen.
The others are bouncing off the walls. The parents
don't understand the faith either. I think that out
of the 15 kids I have in my class - 5 KNOW the faith,
5 have an 'okay' idea, and 5 are clueless.

I get the little darlin's for about 1 1/2 hours a week.
I can't teach the entire faith to them in that time.
They obviously aren't getting it at home.

It's a secular world..... sad, very sad.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by dbrandt
The faith you talk about is placed in whom/what?

God. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
Faith saves. Works are an outward sign of God's
saving grace in our souls.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by jake1997
I can find a place in the bible where it says Jesus had brothers.
Can you find one that says cousins?

This is basic bible history stuff. You never studied, did you?
The original language of scripture didn't allow for the word
cousins. Brothers and sisters were the words used for ALL
blood relatives. Brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, uncles,
whatever. Abraham called Sarah his sister and yet they
were not born of the same father and mother.

Can you find where in the bible it says 'so-and-so' son of
Mary and Joseph? No. It doesn't exhist. Your sola scriptura
cult is of the devil ... adding to the bible things that aren't
there.



posted on May, 1 2005 @ 01:03 PM
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Also, when Christ healed he told
people 'go show yourselves to the priests'. Christ was sending people
to their religious leaders, corrupt as those leaders were. After healing
he still sent them to their shepards.



RIP

Jesus sent them there as a witness TO the non beleving priests. Those priests were not the shepards! I cant believe you said that!
You are looking for a play on words with that at best. Jesus Christ told those priests that their father was satan.

Now as for David and "Gods annointed"

Lets see if the RCC is Gods at anointed.
1.) It believes in evolution
2.) It willfully violates the commandments about graven images
3.) Murder...the inquisition and crusades
4.) The nun rape by priests scandal that is bigger then the pedophile scandal
5.) The pedophile scandal
6.) The worship of mary and bowing before idols
7.) Telling muslims (who are the spirit of the antichrist) that they are going to heaven (read 1john if u dont know)

The RCC is not Gods at all.

Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The RCC doctrine is evil




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