-Sons of Liberty-

Sometimes the few need to act for the greater good of all.

Or we can just hide our heads in the sand and wait to pick sides between
The Governator and Mrs. Clinton Goes (Back) To Washington. Ugh!

The few must act for the good of all is exactly what G-dub would say about lying to drag us into a war.

So let me ask you one last time- what exactly do you have in mind post Bush? It sounds a lot like you're trying to paperclip your own equally unconstitutional political party's hatred of Bush's policies onto the far greater cause of constitutional government.

Bill Clinton was every bit as much of an SOB as George W Bush is. Every president and most politicians in general since Kennedy at the VERY LEAST have been. When all you say is "downing street, rove, down with Bush, blah, blah, blah" it gives the distinct impression that you're ready to replace one unconstitutional regime with another and leave it at that. That's not rebelling- that's just revolting, pardon my repeat pun.

If your motives are what they appear to be, do this thread the courtesy of going and starting an appropriate thread for your partisan rhetoric, or at least discuss what needs to happen post-bush to bring about constitutional government.

Hopefully a new election would lead to non partisan election reforms.

You are completely mistaken if you think I have any loyalty to any political party.

I just want to see someone reasonably "worthy" of our trust.

I'm getting the impression your view is that the system is SO messed up that we might as well not even bother to do anything.

I took the meaning of this passage to mean that we should pay homage to a leader for the mere reason that they could more abusive to their subjects had they wanted to. Should we praise a man because they can abuse their power to an even greater extent, but don't? Should we not question injustice because it could be worse?

This passage provides insight into discussion that we should be happy with our freedom in the US, in respect to other countries, and in respect of how much our government could take away. As Paine alludes and according to the principles this country was founded upon, all men are equal, and free to pursue happiness and freedom as long as it does not infringe on others. Humans by nature were not inherently born into subordination. Instead of focusing on the freedom, which is our natural right to have, we must focus on what is contrary to nature in taking our freedoms away.

Therefore, policies like the Patriot Act should be regarded in what it takes away from our natural rights, instead of diverting the issue to the freedoms we still have. Why should we be content in scratching our noses, when we cannot scratch any other part of our body?

That is the real issue regarding freedom in America, whereas, we started out with a broad range of freedom at the beginning of the Constitution of the United States and in the history of man, and only throughout the ages, have these been slowly eroding, and continually doing so. So, in light of these progressions, it is our duty as human beings to regain what natural rights we have lost because of the interest of a few.

I notice this an old thread, but one that got far less attention than it deserved. It is true, some of the original sons of liberty were printers, such as Samuel Adams. Yes I realize there is controversy as to his involvement, but I feel as though if you do your research, you can only deduce that he was. Take for instance the fact that after the Boston Massacre, prints were out with pictures depicting the scene in short hours after said event took place. These prints were wood carvings that take a lot of time. One might assume these carvings were prepared before the event took place. Now theres a conspiracy! Samuel Adams was one of the men that was putting out those prints.

It is time we get back to our roots, back to the constitution. Time for people with the heart of Patrick Henry.... Give me Liberty, or Give me Death!

I was hopeing to revive this topic, if not the thread. With the questions people have and the conversations I've seen floating around, I figured it would be useful to pull this one up out of the dusty buried area hereon ATS.

Many posts from earlier years have been on target with whats still going on, and it would be nice to see ATSers thoughts on them.

Thank you for the reply, hopefuly more people will add their comments.

I would love to see a new "Sons of Liberty" group arise. I think Ron Paul would be the John Adams to this new group, as his views coincide with our founders. Nothing will ever change until we mobilize. If enough people would wake up and all stand together on a united front, they would have to change. I forget which Ron Paul video I saw with him saying he could understand civil disobediance, granted he is for non-violence, but he agreed when you see something wrong its your constitutional right to address grievances.

Sorry, I do not mean to derail this thread and make it a Ron Paul one, it is just that it is hard not to mention a man with those kinds of views when talking about the people that had a hand in our first revolution.