posted on Feb, 25 2006 @ 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Gazrok
Since learning the identity of the radar operator, I've had the chance to pose some questions to him, which he has answered. Now, as he has chosen
to be called only John C., I will respect that wish, and add only that I have great trust in the source of this confirmation. However, to you, the
reader, I can only offer it as additional info to those wishing more information on this case.
I got a chance to ask him some of the questions you had for my dad. He does not remember what type of radar they were using at Battle Creek. He said
he never heard anything about a Canadian plane, and was present during the entire incident. Everyone present in the control room were told not to
speak of the incident as well.
He also added a new piece of information, I guess talking about it stirred his memory a bit. He said that they were first alerted to the target by a
station to the north of his position, one of the SAGE radars in northern Michigan I am assuming. He said they turned the radar on to long range and
tracked the target which was moving at a considerably faster speed than aircraft of that time.
The target moved to a position and stayed there for 10 minutes in a stationary position, at which point it was intercepted by the fighter. He said
that when fighters were scrambled, the planes were in the air in about 2 minutes and he used this to guestimate the approximation of 10 minutes.
I did not ask him if we could use his name on the message board, and to be honest I am uncomfortable with the idea. The reason is when [censored by
request] I was almost immedietly contacted by one Gordon Heath. He attacked the veracity of my story and also the anonymous nature of my "source."
When he did a little digging and found out that there really were two fighters dispatched initially and that the source was my old man he changed his
attitude. Apparently until [censored by request] everyone assumed that only a single plane had been dispatched to intercept.
I am worried that people may harass him if we use his name. I suppose that I am being over protective, so if you want you can identify him as John C.
I believe he was a staff seargent. (not positive that was his rank at that time)
I would appreciate it if you do not mention [censored per request]. I do not advertise it any longer. If you think of anything else, just let me know.
I can tell you this though, that incident convinced my father that ufo's are real, and are being intelligently operated. He has cited the Kinross
incident as proof in his eyes my entire life.
As I am the researcher in this incident, I should clarify my inquiries. Yes, I did contact the person who posted this information because I was
seeking clarification of some of the information. I had some initial doubts about the information contained, so I wanted to find out more.
I did acknowledge the possibility that the purported witness might have been present at the Battle Creek radar site, and that he might have witnessed
the incident from this location - as it appears that multiple radar sites did in fact witness the whole incident.
However, all my research leads me to conclude that parts of his memory recall of the incident may be in error as I have retrieved no indication that
two F-89s were scrambled on the initial alert. After contact was lost with the F-89, a total of three F-89s were scrambled as part of the Search and
Rescue efforts at different times. At one point, there were in fact three F-89s in the air over Lake Superior.
Please refer to the following URL for further explanation:
Since parts of the USAF report are quite questionable and probably part of a cover-up, this might mean that it is not a reliable source for other
information. However, I have talked on the phone with former Lt. Mingenebach, the pilot in the second F-89 in the air that night and he confirmed some
details about the his Search and Rescue efforts. I think I also asked him about his testimony that he and his radar observer thought they heard an
accidental radio transmission from Lt. Moncla, about 40 minutes after radar and radio contact was lost with Lt. Moncla's F-89.