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Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Another thing to note:
Lake Superior, at the time, was mostly covered with a good layer of ice. Yet after this incident, flyovers of the area showed no break in the surface of the ice. None. The plane had quite literally vanished into mid air.
Originally posted by Gazrok
The Kinross Incident
In 1953, a UFO was detected on radar near Kinross AFB, Michigan. A Northrop F-89C Scorpion (assigned to the 433rd Fighter Interceptor Squadron, Traux Field, Madison WI) was scrambled from Kinross AFB and sent to intercept and identify this target. Radar controllers watched as the F-89 closed in on the UFO, and then sat stunned in amazement as the two blips merged on the screen, and the UFO left. The F-89 and it’s two man crew (Pilot First Lieutenant Felix E. Moncla, Jr, and Radar Observer Second Lieutenant Robert L. Wilson) were never found, even after a thorough search of the area.
[[edit on 26-4-2005 by Gazrok]
Originally posted by Hal9000
I wonder how they explain the death of a pilot under these circumstanses to their families?
Edit: PeanutButterJellyTime, is it possible to determine the altitude with radar? I believe altitude is returned from the IFF transponder signal, is that right? If the anomoly was at the same altitude as the plane, wouldn't this be more evidence?
[edit on 4/28/2005 by Hal9000]
Originally posted by SkiFreak
I wonder if the F-89C aircraft in question from this event was 'remanufactured' & fitted with the stronger wing structure and attachment points??
A sonar survey of the alleged wreckage area probrably won't reveal anything- remember, Lake Superior is a VERY deep lake with some area aproaching depths of nearly 1800ft. I don't know what kind of depths of water near the wreckage area, but I'm sure that they are none-too-shallow.
Something to think about...
Originally posted by SpookyVince
This is a way interesting one, but no one seemed to notice that the initial reports don't conflict: a C-47 is simply the military version of the DC-3, and quite obviously they are rigorously exactly the same on the radar, unless one of them carries some special outside equipment.
Originally posted by Gazrok
Since learning the identity of the radar operator, I've had the chance to pose some questions to him, which he has answered. Now, as he has chosen to be called only John C., I will respect that wish, and add only that I have great trust in the source of this confirmation. However, to you, the reader, I can only offer it as additional info to those wishing more information on this case.
I got a chance to ask him some of the questions you had for my dad. He does not remember what type of radar they were using at Battle Creek. He said he never heard anything about a Canadian plane, and was present during the entire incident. Everyone present in the control room were told not to speak of the incident as well.
He also added a new piece of information, I guess talking about it stirred his memory a bit. He said that they were first alerted to the target by a station to the north of his position, one of the SAGE radars in northern Michigan I am assuming. He said they turned the radar on to long range and tracked the target which was moving at a considerably faster speed than aircraft of that time.
The target moved to a position and stayed there for 10 minutes in a stationary position, at which point it was intercepted by the fighter. He said that when fighters were scrambled, the planes were in the air in about 2 minutes and he used this to guestimate the approximation of 10 minutes.
I did not ask him if we could use his name on the message board, and to be honest I am uncomfortable with the idea. The reason is when [censored by request] I was almost immedietly contacted by one Gordon Heath. He attacked the veracity of my story and also the anonymous nature of my "source."
When he did a little digging and found out that there really were two fighters dispatched initially and that the source was my old man he changed his attitude. Apparently until [censored by request] everyone assumed that only a single plane had been dispatched to intercept.
I am worried that people may harass him if we use his name. I suppose that I am being over protective, so if you want you can identify him as John C. I believe he was a staff seargent. (not positive that was his rank at that time)
I would appreciate it if you do not mention [censored per request]. I do not advertise it any longer. If you think of anything else, just let me know. I can tell you this though, that incident convinced my father that ufo's are real, and are being intelligently operated. He has cited the Kinross incident as proof in his eyes my entire life.
Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
Has any more modern aircraft been invesigating UFO's only to disapear?
I had some visions a F-14 flyby and I had some feelings that in a previous life I was investigating UFO's and that they took me onboard somehow.
I believe I was killed due to that experience.
I do know that F-14's have been gone missing without a good reason.
I know is this very much a "what if" scenario which I have no evidence for but a vision, a feeling and a feeling of fear for greys.
Originally posted by cycles
Hi bluestreak, thanks for your very interesting and personal web site and this thread.
Your parents behaved very strange and there´s something wrong without question.
Somehow they tell you you are not their son.
I´d push all my relatives who could know something really hard. It´s your right to know the truth.
The way they act is irresponsible.
You have been in contact with the wife/daughter of the missing pilot.
Did you ever think about an analysis of DNA ?
All you´d need is a hair of one of the pilots relatives.
The cost for the test should be less than 100 USD.
At least you´d be sure your parents are your real parents in 3D space and time.
Thanks for sharing and all the best.