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Update on Handcuffing of 5 Year old with Videos

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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 03:38 PM
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1. Individual teacher that is not impowered to handle discipline him/herself

2. School Principal that is not empowered to handle discipline him/herself.

3. Cops that are questioned when they DO handle discipline themselves. (if not them, who else?)

4. Laws that pretend that children are angels, instead of . . well, children. You can't put 'em in jail, you cant spank em. Now you can't do anything but clean up after them.

5. Laws that do not hold the parents accountable for their childrens' misbehavior. Fine the mom, make her pay for the mess.

For those of you who don't think the girl should have been hand-cuffed:

How else would you have stopped her?
Waited until she attacked another child?
Waited until she finally fell asleep?


This whole thing is a Telegram to the US of A:

OUR SOCIETY HAS LOST THE NOTION OF "MORAL CONSEQUENCE"

STOP

(in case you don't know, telegrams used to be sent in all caps. Back when we "shouted" important things via live human couriers instead of via the interweb.)



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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by SportyMB


I agree, Im just saying this single act is not worthy of the child being taken from the parents.....now if it's a repeat offender, like 3 times and the parents are still defending thier childs actions...then yeah something is definately wrong at home and the parents are not oblivious to it...they just don't give a Fudge and therefore are not worthy of parenting until P-skills improve.


She is a repeat offender not in school but the police had told her in her own home if she continued she would be handcuffed the next time.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 04:16 PM
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TheBandit795 hit the nail on the head, Western Civilization is falling apart....Theres No No REASON why a little girl like this needs to be handcuffed like a criminal!!

She reacted like a special-needs child (ADHD) who really needs special help....not a pair of handcuffs. The idiotic teacher should be fired for not being able to control a student who needs special care and that goes for the Assistant Principal also....if I were that teachers and AP's superviser, they would be scrubbing toilets by the end of the day.

Their better at grabbing the video camara to cover their FAT-ASSES instead of dealing with the problem.

Maximu§


PS: Fire the cop who put cuffs on that baby also....let him scrub toilets next to that teacher and her boss.




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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Theres No No REASON why a little girl like this needs to be handcuffed like a criminal!!

She reacted like a special-needs child (ADHD) who really needs special help....not a pair of handcuffs. The idiotic teacher should be fired for not being able to control a student who needs special care and that goes for the Assistant Principal also....if I were that teachers and AP's superviser, they would be scrubbing toilets by the end of the day.

Their better at grabbing the video camara to cover their FAT-ASSES instead of dealing with the problem.

Maximu§


PS: Fire the cop who put cuffs on that baby also....let him scrub toilets next to that teacher and her boss.

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Both the teachers, Principal and cops acted just as they should have and well within the confines of the law. The teacher did everything possible and in a very good manner as evidenced by both videos, so did the police.

The child was endangering herself when she repeatedly jumped on the tables, what did you expect them do; let her fall on the floor and hurt or heaven forbide kill herself from a self inflicted injury from falling?

Just what would you have done in the same very situation?



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by shots
Both the teachers, Principal and cops acted just as they should have and well within the confines of the law. Just what would you have done in the same very situation?



The Law? Sometimes the law is wrong shots!! The Nazis said the same thing as they gassed the Jews.

I watched that video closely and that baby reacted exactly like the ADHD children Ive seen. Im raising my little nephew who has ADHD and they don't react like normal kids Shots.....in fact you get the OPPOSITE reaction from them when you yell and grab at them.

Trying to control an ADHD child with conventional techniques is like mud wrestling a pig (you both get muddy).


WTF would Maximu§ have done if I was the assistant principal?? I sit down and hold her tight and talk calmly to her and calm her down. Tell the Moron with the video camera to leave and hold her close until Mom gets there. A 5 year old is'nt that strong, she will struggle and scream, but finally wear out and listen IF YOUR CALM and cool.

Most of all they need Love and understanding...not a slap on their backside, cause ADHD kids won't react well to being spanked...I should know!!! Im a parent raising an ADHD child...are you??

Im gonna insult you Shots, cause I think your an Ok guy...you just need to chk out ADHD behavior.

Max





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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:13 PM
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Hold her tightly? Before or after she beat the crap out of you?

I swear, this is why my mom gave my teachers permission to beat me keep me in line. A good smack on the head is a lot more effective then "time out". A good smack on the back of the head is far more effective then suing everyone but not blaming the person responsible.

Max, according to the law your answer will get you in jail. Yep, holding her tightly is abusive according to the law, so have fun in jail.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:29 PM
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James, are you a parent?

Any of you commenting on this parents?

If your Not, your opinion on dealing with kids is worthless.

Im done here, this is gonna turn into a "Max-Bashing" party.


Max



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Hold her tightly? Before or after she beat the crap out of you?

Max, according to the law your answer will get you in jail. Yep, holding her tightly is abusive according to the law, so have fun in jail.


I am with you James apparently LA_Maximus is not aware of the ramifications of confining a child in this day and age,:shk::shk::shk: either you end up being sued or put in jail. But what they hey if he feels its ok I say go for it, it wouldn't be me sitting in jail


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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:37 PM
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I had not heard about this story its pretty sad. Children have very few rights in this country. My cousin who at 10 years old reported being molested was taken out of her home, she did not do well at the foster home and tried to run away, so on the day of her father's trial, he was sitting at a table uncuffed and she was brought into the courtroom in shackles escorted by two police officers, I mean the deal with her wrists strapped to a chain around her waist and her legs also in shackles. He got off on probation and counseling, she was sent back to the same foster home and got counseling. Today he is well and she lives in a nursing home in her thirties still suffering from the abuse she suffered as a child.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by LA_Maximus

WTF would Maximu§ have done if I was the assistant principal?? I sit down and hold her tight and talk calmly to her and calm her down. Tell the Moron with the video camera to leave and hold her close until Mom gets there. A 5 year old is'nt that strong, she will struggle and scream, but finally wear out and listen IF YOUR CALM and cool.

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The mother told the school that they were not allowed to touch her daughter. They have had that conversation before. The mother was unable to leave her nursing job to pick up the child. So you could not hold her until her mother arrived. There is more to the story than a 30 second video clip that you see on FOX. The school was left powerless by the parent, so they called in a third party, the police.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:43 PM
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This is thanks to the government and those who insist that you are an abuser if you as much as yell at a child. A total breakdown in society.

Watch your kids, those of you old enough and with families. This will now set the trend for years to come

Instead of going to school to get your children at the principals office, you will now go to your local police station and maybe have to post bail.


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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:45 PM
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why is this news???

the girl was acting up (many times, other days too)and the teacher didn't want to "touch" her because this WOULD be a lawsuit...

so, the teacher called the cops...

GOOD!!!

this is the right thing to do...





posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:48 PM
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Hey, Im just talking about what works for me as a parent. Spanking a special-needs child will never get the results you want.


The girls mother sure does bare some responsibility here. I did'nt see a father in any of the news interviews and I would bet her home environment is a wreck.

Max

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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:57 PM
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I think y'all are being a little to harsh on kids. I remember when I was a kid. I was crazy out of control and dangerous. But then my mother lousy stupid mother spanked me at home. I was still crazy but when out in public my ma would say "You wanna be spanked in fronna all these people!?" And I would settle down until we got home.

We were all crazy one time in our lives

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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by curme
The mother told the school that they were not allowed to touch her daughter. They have had that conversation before. The mother was unable to leave her nursing job to pick up the child. So you could not hold her until her mother arrived. There is more to the story than a 30 second video clip that you see on FOX. The school was left powerless by the parent, so they called in a third party, the police.


Cureme just for clarity we are not talking about the videos that Fox has shown. There are two links to videos that are both 4 min if not longer showing everything that took place in the very first post of this thread.

Thanks for the heads up on the mother telling the school not to touch the child, I was not aware of that


Sounds more and more like the problem actually lies with the parent/parents here.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 06:11 PM
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Posted by MAX:


Most of all they need Love and understanding...not a slap on their backside, cause ADHD kids won't react well to being spanked...I should know!!! Im a parent raising an ADHD child...are you??


MAX, you are exactly right.....to a point.

You might be raising your child the way they should be raised and the methods you use will work because you are in the picture.

The key word is you...the parent.

The child in the video may not (very probable) have parents that enforce the rules and lay down the law as it should be.

So the child has no limits, it's her way or the highway.
I want this toy and Im gonna cry till I get it!!!! boo-hoo-hoo

That's the way that kid thinks, and If the parents will not step up
and fill the role then who will? The teachers can help, but they only
have the kid for 7 hours a day and they have other kids to tend to in the
class. The teachers don't have time for this, the child needs real help.
Teachers have to worry about getting sued and losing jobs because some parents stick up for thier kids for such uncalled for behavior....



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 06:44 PM
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Again Max, have fun sitting in jail, or losing everything due to a law suit.


You can't even yell at these little monsters anymore. Far different from the times my dad had, being picked up by the shirt and slammed into the lockers to get his attention, or a friend being hung over the rail of the stairs by his feet to get him to shut up. Or my mom giving the teachers permission to smack me upside the head to keep me inline. Guess what? I didn't act up, much. When I did, smack, ow, sorry, I'll stop now.

Or Mr. Dunbar, freaking BEAST! Over 6'6, muscles bulging out, making fun of how it looked like he was playing a toy guitar when his band was playing at Frog City, when done I apologized and glad it was my shirt and not my skin torn off. Now, if I was this kid/parents, I would have sued. But knowing that I usually deserve what I get, even if i hadn't done what I was getting smacked for yet, I didn't/don't. I take responsibility for my actions/words. Besides, he wouldn't have really beaten me with the guitar, those things are expensive.

But you get kids like this where it "isn't your fault" mentality, blame music, tv, games, teachers, school, everything but the kid and the parents. Hell, nowadays you can't fail students without getting sued/fired. A biology teacher flunked over half her sophmore class for BUYING the same report online. The PARENTS came and said the teacher was being mean, that it wasn't their kids fault, they didn't know it was wrong. In the end she is fired and they are passed. WTF? Doing that would have gotten me a good whomping from mom. Not grounded, I can't be grounded, for there isn't any difference, I don't go out much, don't watch tv much, and if no ATS/PC, books! I read all the time, we share books, so grounding doesn't work, but a whomp over the head with a thick book? Sorry.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 06:52 PM
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Another update to this.

Mom moving girl in video out of Florida




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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:13 PM
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Anybody who thinks it was right to do such crazy thing to a 5 years old little girl is utterly mad and should not jsut never be allowed to teach, but also never get in real contact with childrens!!!

There are, and have always been at least one children with troubles of discipline into each classroom of the world... this is a millions years away form being a new problem. Discipline is something that childrens do learn easily and parents are the main responsible for this kind of education. There are ordinary, day-to-day methods to teach discipline to a kid, and this excludes such BARBARIC and questionably efficient methods such as handcuffing and beating. Yes, there is such method known as "negative reinforcement" which includes privation of priviledges and sending the kid to his room, and this method has its share of efficiency... but that has NOTHING to do with beating and handcuffing!

Just as the other poster said, this jsut shows how this civilization is crumbling. When stupid people like taht are allowed to become teachers and go as LOW as handcuffing a little girl it's a sign of how the values and culture that makes this society so powerful and harmonized are deteriorating to the point of barbarism!



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:14 PM
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Yeah, I take back whatever I previously said about how the child should stay with the parents!!!

She should be stripped away from her mom!!!!

The stupid arse ghetto sorry excuse for a mother just wants money.

The minute someone said handcuffs all she saw was $$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$BLING BLING$$$

Come on, thats BS. Al Sharpton....screw him too and whatever he horse rode in on


All she sees now is money, she said she moved cause of the "emotional damage"...BS

She moved cause she got evicted cause she spent all her cash on crack and booz, thats probably what happened!

Al Sharpton....*spit*

I feel for the teacher and the cop....they're gonna get fired now
and the moms gonna make some cash and have nothing to show for it
2 months later.

BS BS BS

"When stupid people like taht are allowed to become teachers and go as LOW as handcuffing a little girl"

WTF are you talkign about...the cop handcuffed her...not the teacher!!!

BTW, nothing I said is meant to be taken as a racist comment, It's not.



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