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Originally posted by Murcielago
Rice shouldn't have to apolagize for her remark...because its the truth.
Originally posted by Ghaleon4
Kim IS a psycho. I think the world should be able to call him on it. If he doesn't like it, maybe he should change some of his policies.
psychopath: A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse
Originally posted by WeBDeviL
However, that could very possibly begin WW3, and neither country wants that.
Originally posted by Deleuze
ServoHahn, I disagree profoundly. Nuclear weapons are capable of ending entire civilizations. They can literally kill a nation. They're far too powerful to think that their spread is a good thing. Fairness (a thoroughly useless concept in international relations) doesn't justify giving the world nuclear weapons. We owe it to everyone to do our best to keep them as limited as possible.
[edit on 26-4-2005 by Deleuze]
Originally posted by Zipdot
I don't know where to begin, so I think I'll just keep this really short.
A nuclear bomb is 49 parts science to 1 part technology. True, but it is also about 50 parts "a ridiculous need to feel superior" Keeping the process of a nuclear detonation secret was not an option once the first one was dropped on Japan Sir (or ma'am), I doubt that keeping it secret was an option LONG before it was even tested on American soil.. It was an option beforehand, but it would have been a matter of a few short years before a competing country invented it if we hadn't. Like who? All of the greatest scientists defected to the U.S. Good thing for that too, or Germany would have had it. Not that I think we used it any more responsibly than they would have... I (and I'm sure you are as well) am a student of physics, philosophy and general science. I'm sure you're well aware of the sheer number of accidents it took to create the weapon. Also of the sheer number of incredibly intelligent scientific minds... and also of the exclusivity of our resources and science. The second favorites to being the first to make a nuclear device (then the U.S.S.R.), actually stole secrets from us before they got it right. Not that they ever had the funding to head up a perfectly legitimate nuclear program anyway. Yes, other countries building the things would have been only a matter of time but without the help of minds like Einstein and Feynman and many MANY others, it would have been a long LONG time... perhaps without the Cold War to fuel the hype about nuclear science, it may have been never... but we'll never know will we?
America has the historical honour of being the first and only country to drop an atomic bomb on people, yes. While this entitles us to some retrospective speculation, it does not set us apart from any other country in terms of radical war manuevering because the technology was new and at the moment necessary I don't know what you mean by necessary... do you mean "One of many options that would have gotten the job done"? Yes we saved a lot of innocent Chinese by ending the war early... but at the cost of how many innocent Japanese? What about the cost? It must have been worth it to SOMEONE in order to risk the destruction of our planet and we were young and ready with it, but we were not Nazis or Japanese imperialists -- real warmongers, as it were. I also am impressed at the amount of genocide that was allowed to go on before we entered the war... but I assume that wasn't your point. Make no mistake the U.S. TOTALLY capitalized on WWII... But I guess you have a different definition of "real warmongers, as it were".
As such, America does not deserve any special notoriety in the field of nuclear warfare. A very valid opinion, but I either do not understand or do not agree as to why I think, if anything, we should have rather earned some respect for the judicial nature with which we have historically approached nuclear warfare. (e.g. inventing it, starting it, letting it grow beyond our control)
If you care to know, I wasn't born in America Go back... and take me with you! j/k and didn't grow up here either, but I still say "we" because this country makes me feel right at home. It's a great damned country, and don't you forget it. Oh believe me, I love America as much as any American and I'm glad that you found your home here and that we are free to disagree on this topic. That doesn't mean that American politicians don't make incredibly wrong decisions. I would rather protect what reputation we have left for being the honest and good counrty that we were meant to be. Perhaps the entire world is wrong in their opinions of America as being a bully with a superiority complex... but I think that we sometimes act as a down right juvenile. Whenever I speak out against an American policy I get a lot of flak from people saying "America is the best GD country this world has ever seen." and "You have more freedoms in America than you will ever have anywhere else!" I don't disagree with those statements. I just don't happen to agree that just because I live in the greatest country in the world (a statement in and of itself which I think to be much of the cause of our bad global opinion), I shouldn't try to make it better... or at least to keep others from running it into the ground. Peace is patriotic and don't you forget it.
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Listen, why should we have to bully when we could lead? Why do we have to make demands instead of setting an example? Why do we have to see the world as a gold mine instead of as a large group of people who, if they could get along as most of them vainly try to, would be much happier? Foreign policy, if ever declared perfect, would be a fallacy... can we agree on that?
Originally posted by Zipdot
Subz: When a man has a gun to a hostage's head, we have sharpshooters shoot the man in the head, if possible. How does this fit in with your allegory?
Originally posted by subz
- Get a trainied negotiator in to try and resolve the situation peacefully if possible or buy time till a clear shot can end it with minimal loss of life?
Originally posted by Zipdot
I should add that I think it's incredibly stupid that the USA is calling North Korea names. When I first heard the original "Axis of Evil" comment, I just couldn't believe it. I guess they found that Americans weren't really uproarious about that comment so they kept on truckin' with the name-calling.