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Why is the EU not involoved in manned exporation.

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posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 04:11 AM
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The US has got its mandate for the next 20 years in respect to nasa which is to build the CEV and go to the moon and then mars which is great and i am very happy about this.....but.
Why do the EU still not want to invest in manned space exploration? in my view it would not only be very good for technology development but also for the general unification of europe. I mean at the moment we cant really agree on a lot in the EU so if we could achieve some common goal like putting a man on mars in a shortish time span it would really make people proud to be part of europe and show the doubters that we really can be a power with some clout and not just a few bickering states.
I could say the same thing for many countries but we easily have the resources and money to do it in the EU, i think it really is time for us to stop resting on our laurels and do something that will inspire future generations just like apollo has inpsired so many.




posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 05:04 AM
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Perhap's the EU is saving money by getting technology from the EBEs here now and letting the US waste money with manned exploration using the latest of the oldest technology and keeping the EBE technical secrets given already under wraps. In part by the continued funding of old rocket science
for out of world missions.

A few years ago Congress stopped funding for new old style propulsion systems as it was felt the government was holding back new technology from NASA. (ref Janes Def Weekly 2001).

Dallas



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 03:19 PM
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Being a European and proud of it. It has made me think too why not space exploration. Europe certaily has more money to spend on it than the United States, but it seems we don't want to. Thats what I would have said but although the United States are locking to put a man on the moon again and then to mars, Europes ESA has in the time it has taken the Americans to work on the steping stones of space exploration such as lifesupport etc. Europe on the other hand is working heavily on the developement of a FTL probe (or so my friends in ESA say). Being a physist who has worked on FTL for many years I believe this is the goal we should have as Europeans. But for fully useful space exploration we must not look at this as a competition we must say that for this to succed all countries and Unions should get involved and we would accomplish so much more.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 04:00 PM
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www.esa.int...


This link is to the European Space Agencys Aurora program!

The Aurora program will hopefully see European astronauts on a manned mission to Mars before 2030 and a mission to the Moon sometime befoe that!




posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 04:50 PM
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Simple. Why spend money on years of research and tests when you can just let America do it and then buy the technology for a fraction of the cost



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 08:23 PM
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Probably the same reason the won't get involved in massed genocides (Serbia) occuring in their backyard or bother to support the overthrow of a violent and decadent ruler: sTrong will towards socialism. They are more intent on constantly redefining their political and philosophic goals that they not only deter from a (I guess you can say) true form of socialism but deter from the will of the people who demand a standard of living such as that of the US...which includes the desire for manned space exploration.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 09:19 PM
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Yeah, what Mickey said.

They've got one too. I've got very little faith in either program, though.
I think they're both way too optimistic about their own capabilities and the capabilities to come, the current situation of their organizations, their nations, and the world, and the future.

I hope, as always, that I'm wrong.



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 05:09 AM
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Originally posted by Croat56
Simple. Why spend money on years of research and tests when you can just let America do it and then buy the technology for a fraction of the cost


If everybody had that cynical attitude we would never have landed on the moon. U completely miss the point of such a venture it is more to do with prestige and national pride, those things are very important.



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 05:23 AM
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There have been European astronauts - and continue to be, as far as i know??

Roberto Vittori is the most recent and, what about Helen Sharman??

Current astronauts are found here and include 16 people who are listed as:

Pedro Duque, Gerhard Thiele, Jean-Francois Clervoy, Umberto Guidoni, Leopold Eyharts, Reinhold Ewald, Roberto Vittori, Claude Nicollier, Paolo Nespoli, Thomas Reiter, Christer Fuglesang, Frank De Winne, Michel Tognini, Hans Schlegel, Philippe Perrin, André Kuipers.

So, perhaps, things aren't as bleak as they might at first appear??



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 05:29 AM
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what can i say? money money money!!! a lack of it and a lack of real political will to develop a manned space program. That said the ESA is a fantastic and very successful organization, i hope they do develop a manned program coz they would show the world how its done



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 05:35 AM
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ye but havnt they all been launched up into space either by Russia or America.

Not one of our own have ever been sent up by ESA or have they I havnt heard anything about it mind you i aint a expert in the field.

Cant wait to book my hotel at maropalma in the future..........



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 05:42 AM
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ye but havnt they all been launched up into space either by Russia or America.



All Europes manned flights have been launched by either the US or Russia, but the French Arian rockets are quite capable of carrying a manned module.

Their success rate is really good aswell!
I only know of one accident on the launchpad involving an Ariane rocket back in 96 i think.



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 05:50 AM
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How difficult would it really be to convert an ariane rocket to carry people?



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 06:20 AM
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Dont know yet but give me a bit time to find out and i'll let you know!




posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by ufo3
How difficult would it really be to convert an ariane rocket to carry people?


I was originally designed to carry the Hermes spave vehicle anyway so it would be hard at all

www.astronautix.com...



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 10:55 AM
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It was originally designed to carry the Hermes spave vehicle anyway so it would be hard at all


Im glad you found that because i couldnt.



The Arian rockets are IMO up there with the best in the world, and with the succesful launch of the Ariane 5 ECA the future looks very bright for the Ariane rockets and the ESA's space program in general.



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 10:59 AM
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The Soyuz rocket is the workhorse of the Russian human spaceflight missions and has been used for that purpose longer than any other spacecraft. In the 1950s it began transporting cosmonauts into space and then to the Soviet stations Salyout and Mir. At present it is the only spaceraft available for the transport of crews to and from the International Space Station.

To ensure that Soyuz will still be able to carry out these missions from Europe’s Spaceport, the launch infrastructure has been designed to ensure that it can be smoothly adapted for human spaceflight, should this be decided upon.



The ESA also has plans to begin launching Russian Soyez craft from their spaceport in 2007. Paving the way for manned missions by the ESA!!!

[edit on 27/4/2005 by MickeyDee]



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 11:03 AM
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Space exploration, be it mars, moon or any other bodies in our solar system, will not be fully realized until the private sector gets more heavily involved...I've heard of asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of platinum and nickel and other metals....IMO once the first private company makes some money in space it will go like 'gangbusters' from there, just like the gold rush did for the west.


So long as we(americans, europeans, whatever) wait for our governments to do it, it will never happen....IMO



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 11:09 AM
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I've heard of asteroids with trillions of dollars worth of platinum and nickel and other metals


Wheres all the scientific Roman Abromovich's when we need them???



posted on Apr, 27 2005 @ 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Croat56
Simple. Why spend money on years of research and tests when you can just let America do it and then buy the technology for a fraction of the cost


couldnt have said it any better... well done



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