Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb with electro-magnetic pulse, page 6

Originally posted by jsobecky
Back to the topic, Iran would have one pesky little detail to solve: getting that nuke close enough to the US to make it a worry.

They'd also have to invent a magic bomb that can actually accomplish this.

quote]Originally posted by Red Golem
An EMP bomb set off at a certain Alt. will cover the entire 48 states.

According to what?

one nuke detonated in the atmosphere near certain areas could easily destroy the power grid.

How in the world is it supposed to knock out the entire country with an emp blast???

Detonated at a height of 60 to 500 kilometers above the continental U.S., one nuclear warhead could cripple the country – knocking out electrical power and circuit boards and rendering the U.S. domestic communications impotent.

I think that that is the very analysis that everyone objects too. Yes, nukes produce electromagnetic pulses. No, a single nuke isn't doing to destroy all the electronics equipment in the US.

al-Qaida is believed to own about 80 such vessels

From what I undestand, that claim is a large exaggeration, and based mainly on considering all pirates in the region as members of al-qaida. IOW, the al-qaida pirate fleet is not anywhere near as dangerous as suggested.

I notice that there is still no explanation from poster edsinger as to how Iran is able to do any of these fantastical things that are alleged, or why worldnutdaily should be listened to at all.

Is iran dangerous? Yes. Are they, an oil rich country, developing nuclear plants to generate electricity? Certainly not. Are they opposed to the US, well, if you beleive them they are. Does that mean that a nuke can wipe out all the electronics in the US? heck no.

edsinger
If I was Iran or even a non-country, I know this would be the ultimate in SHOCK and would be fairly easy to do.

Demonstrate this. Some posters disagree as to the Iranian animosity torwards the US, almost everyone agrees that a nuke can't do what you suggest.

sir, perfer to do as TeddyR

You neither speak softly nor carry a big stick. TR realized the value of having good realtions with other countries. Hysteria over a mythical 'uber-nuke' is pointless, and not somethign TR'd be concerned about. This is like, for example, TR worrying about a mega-fleet of super-dreadnaughts storming out of the atlantic from Italy to destroy the entire east coat up to a hundred miles inland. Its nonsense. Develop an equivalent of the Great White Fleet, sure, defense thru strenght, sensible enough. But feeding panic over a non-issue? Pointless.

what if they have the Thermonuclear warhead designs that China bought

Why in the world world china sell a super-nuke to Iran so it can use it against the US and result in the thermo-nuclear destruction of both countries??? If china realizes that they can break the back of the US with a single super nuke then wth do you think they think about america's super-arsenal of uber-nukes????

So whats your solution? Negotiate with them? Just when has that worked?

Speak softly and carry a big stick. Big stick? Check, super-nuke-arsenal capable of annihlating the former USSR in a matter of minutes, combined with the biggest and most mobile and powerful army every to stalk the planet along with a national missile defense shield and vital weapons systems immune to this kind of attack? Er, check. Speak softly? Ok, lets work on that. The US already has a detterent effect in place.
What happened to Trust but Verify, for that matter? Make a deal with the iranians, they're not sub-human animals, there's a core of the mullahs even who would rather rule iran than die as a martyr, appeal to them, let them know that they will face crippling sanctions that will wreack their economy, if they don't allow full inspections of the nuke program. Give them immediate benefits for cooperating, and punish them harshly, but non-militarily, when and if they muck up.

negativnihil
whatever happened to your son that was heading into basic? They'll need some fresh bullet stoppers if we invade Iran

Such abuse is not permited, everyone needs to discuss the issue cogently, not bash 'tulipwalkers' (whatevertheheck thats supposed to mean) or 'blockheads' or anything else.

There are only a few issues that are to be discussed here. What is the proper strategy to deal with iran, and other threats (and of course the converse side to). Can a single nuke like that that iran might make wipe out the US, and what would be required to do that, etc etc.

Edsinger is not the topic of concern.

Rumor has it they purchased some low yield (~10kT) warheads in the middle 90's

And yet never used them???? They're ready to martyr their entire country and selves to fight the great satan, have a couple of war heads, but haven't used them? No, thats prima facie absurd. If they have nukes, they use them. If they have them and don't use them, then they're nothing like the threat many perceive them as and the threat order needs to be reassesed.

Rufus Metellus
Hmmm. Isn't there an ATS rule against one line posts?

IO! And indeed there is, I gave out a one liner warn. I also gave out a lot of warns in this thread. Everyone needs to discuss the matters at hand. I think I gave out enough to at least one person to actually get them 'temp banned' (which disappears after the warns dissapear). Everyone is going to get more of them for even usually slight breaches of the rules, for slight insults, etc etc, because this thread has moved well out of hand.

The next series of posts below this one need to be about the subjects, and need to be cogently discussed.