Who would have thought even more fear mongering cocerning Iran would be coming in the days leading up to June 2005?

Originally posted by xman_in_blackx
We can make a cooler out of a '75 caddy convertible's trunk. Fill it full of ice and then throw a keg in there. Tap the keg and then run the tap through the back seat. That is what I call an assault vehicle. We can mount dual 'ma deuces' in the fender wells facing front with a trigger on the cruise control.

Grab our sunglasses fill up the tank and we are off! Max can drive, Skip gets shotgun with the leatherman tool, and I will be the bartender and man the Mk19 and Ed can bring some patriotic music and maybe a SAW. Maybe we need an airstream trailer with MLRS or maybe a few MIRVs.

Maybe we should paint the caddy in camo colors. What is best? Camo or candy apple red, white and blue?

I forgot...we still need a grill and some food. MRE's just won't cut it for this adventure. Any ideas for a grill?

I'll volunteer to drive since my drinkin days are behind me. As far as a grill, we'll have plenty of heat after the bombs drop.

Originally posted by skippytjc
Thats it, time to get my hands dirty. Dubya cant do it, then I will.

I have some camo shorts and a Leatherman tool. Ill own them all. Im heading over, whos with me?

We will need food, whos got a cooler?

Count me in too , I gots me a shotgun, a rifle, and a 4x4 that I can commo...

Just one thing is it byob, gotta know these things so I can prepare ...

I'm in for the porkrinds, and beefjerky...

Iran plans to knock out U.S. with 1 nuclear bomb with electro-magnetic pulse

Yeah..okie dokie.
Lets take away the rhetoric factor here and ask one question:
If Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapons program, why does all their rhetoric and idle threats involve a nuclear "bomb"?

Maybe we can get AceOfBase to pull from those 'awesome' resources he is pulling from to explain that one? More "Neocon" hype, Ace? Smells like Mullah hype to me, eh?





seekerof

[edit on 25-4-2005 by Seekerof]

Back to the topic, Iran would have one pesky little detail to solve: getting that nuke close enough to the US to make it a worry.

I think we have more than enough eyeballs watching them to make sure that wouldn't happen.

We aren't in all that much danger as far as I can see. Perhaps I am being short sighted, but how much can one EMP do? Suppose they ruined every piece of electronic equipment in New York City?
Well the first thing you'd want to do is buy stock in GM, because everyone's going to need a new Engine Control Module for their car.
Once you'd done that, you'd write a thankyou letter to the people at NORAD who had just finished wiping Iran from the map.

But then what? I can't imagine the entire country going down because one localized area had suffered some damage to electronic infrastructure. America is big enough to sustain something like that, although there would be a considerable hiccup in the economy, and we'd have the affected area running in a week, and back to normal in a couple months. Now maybe if they could do that do say, the 200 largest cities in America, then maybe they could keep us from coming back and mopping the floor with them- maybe.

Am I way off base here?

Also, there is little if any way that Iran is getting a nuke into our airspace at high altitude over a major city- except maybe Miami if they can strike a deal with Cuba or Venezuela. Who is going to let Iran nuke us from their soil?
Iran needs the ability to put one into orbit before they can hit us from their neck of the woods, and their cooperating with North Korea for their missiles (getting glorified Scuds called Taepo Dongs which form the basis of most of their program, but given different names by Iran).
Krazy Kim has failed to put anything into Orbit so far (the one he test fired over Japan was supposed to be able to do that, but it was a failure). What's more, even NK has fewer than 20 such missiles in their arsenal.
By the time that Iran and North Korea have the capability to launch enough nukes our way to put us out of commission, we'll already have dealt with Iran (unless of course we elect Hillary).

This is something I would not put past them. It's been past time for the E.U. to start putting MAJOR pressure on these infidels. I would also like to think that we would have something in our inventory that would or could render a detonation of such a device for an EMP useless.

Originally posted by Frith
Who would have thought even more fear mongering cocerning Iran would be coming in the days leading up to June 2005?

Whats special about this June?

Originally posted by Frith
Who would have thought even more fear mongering cocerning Iran would be coming in the days leading up to June 2005?

You mean as regards Scott Ritter's assertion that Bush has signed off an attack on Iran during June?
Sounds likely to me

Yeah, I been waiting for someone to bring up that load of Scott Ritter bullcrap....thanks dh and Frith.

Question: Did you two buy into his load of crap like a few others here?
Wait!
You don't have to answer that.
Lets just wait and see, okie dokie?

Mr. Scott "I'm a fortune-teller" Ritter has about two months left on his prophetic telling.

I'm looking forward to July. You?




seekerof

First,
An EMP bomb set off at a certain Alt. will cover the entire 48 states. As to how well it will work we will half to wait for history to show.
Second,
I find it rather nausiating that the leaders of the US dont have an adaquate plan in place to deal with the majority of the Fed gov being destroyed or disabiled on a first strike. Reagan at least had a plan that was desighned to deal with the leaders being taken out. Now they just dont seem to care.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Yeah, I been waiting for someone to bring up that load of Scott Ritter bullcrap....thanks dh and Frith.

Question: Did you two buy into his load of crap like a few others here?
Wait!
You don't have to answer that.
Lets just wait and see, okie dokie?

Mr. Scott "I'm a fortune-teller" Ritter has about two months left on his prophetic telling.

I'm looking forward to July. You?




seekerof

Well, Ritter in his small and cheap book of around the beginning of 2002, "War on Iraq", said that Iraq had no viable WMD in its arsenal, and was proved perfectly right against all the bullcrap lies uttered by the US and UK government and intelligence and security agencies
One small book against Lies Lies Lies and more Lies from the establishment sources
Why shouldn't you believe him?

Originally posted by Red Golem
First,
An EMP bomb set off at a certain Alt. will cover the entire 48 states. As to how well it will work we will half to wait for history to show.

We won't have to wait, because such device doesn't exist and I find it even less likely Iran would be able to develop one.

I find it rather nausiating that the leaders of the US dont have an adaquate plan in place to deal with the majority of the Fed gov being destroyed or disabiled on a first strike.

And why do you think that? Years of Cold War weren't for nothing. I'm 100% sure there is a contingency plan that's, well, top secret.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Yeah, I been waiting for someone to bring up that load of Scott Ritter bullcrap....thanks dh and Frith.

Question: Did you two buy into his load of crap like a few others here?
Wait!
You don't have to answer that.
Lets just wait and see, okie dokie?

Mr. Scott "I'm a fortune-teller" Ritter has about two months left on his prophetic telling.

I'm looking forward to July. You?

Iran's current President is out in June which is going to cause at least some political instability in Iran. Plus the U.S. plans to wait until June to seek UN sanctions on Iran which was reported in late February this year. There might not be war with Iran in June, but its being setup to start the cause for war in that month. If not June then most likely early 2006 to at least pretend that there was an effort made to stop the war from taking place just as there was with Iraq. As we saw with Iraq, the U.S. likes to at least attempt to get global acceptance of war through international sanctions, but will go ahead and attack even without getting complete approval.

[edit on 25-4-2005 by Frith]

Originally posted by Nygdan
Thats so fundamentally stupid that it barely deserves comment. Iran is not going to develop some nuke that can send an emp pulse out to 'destroy america'. The very idea is, well, stupid.

why? they are developing an icbm(the shahab 5) and it will be ready in about 2007 estimated, one nuke detonated in the atmosphere near certain areas could easily destroy the power grid.

for all we know they might see it like a suicide bomber sees their action, willing to die to destroy the enemy of god(obviously it would only cripple us but not our military but still), their leaders might be crazy enough to do it.

Originally posted by namehere
and it will be ready in about 2007 estimated, one nuke detonated in the atmosphere near certain areas could easily destroy the power grid.

Why do you think so? It really seems like a bunch of BS to me.
The EMP is real, but any effect will be certainly limited. We had a blackout here in the East Coast, and the power was back in 2-3 days.

If Iran is stupid enough to commit suicide in such a manor you can bet they would go after Isreal before they would go after the US.

The EMP blast from one nucler bomb wouldn't come anywhere near covering the land mass of the US, but it very well could Isreals.

The government is protected in such a scenario anyway. It's a known fact that Air Force One is sheilded against an EMP blast effect and if they can do it on a plane then you can bet its been done on every other sensitive piece of military hardware as well.

ICBM's are sheilded against EMP effects simply because they will be flying into places where other Bombs are going off and EMP's will be abundant.

Hey, I wouldn't put it past Iran though. I remember during the Iranian revolution when a Mullah was told that the Americans were watching the country with satalites, the Mullah called up the air force and ordered them to shoot the satalites down. We are NOT dealing with a real bright bunch of Mullahs here.

Love and light,

Wupy

To me something seems fishy about this, it seems to me like more propaganda to incite another preemptive strike.

do you people actually read the links before commenting on them???

Quote from article:

A terrorist organization might have trouble putting a nuclear warhead 'on target' with a Scud, but it would be much easier to simply launch and detonate in the atmosphere," wrote Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz., in the Washington Post a week ago. "No need for the risk and difficulty of trying to smuggle a nuclear weapon over the border or hit a particular city. Just launch a cheap missile from a freighter in international waters – al-Qaida is believed to own about 80 such vessels – and make sure to get it a few miles in the air."

The Iranian missile tests were more sophisticated and capable of detonation at higher elevations – making them more dangerous.

Detonated at a height of 60 to 500 kilometers above the continental U.S., one nuclear warhead could cripple the country – knocking out electrical power and circuit boards and rendering the U.S. domestic communications impotent.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Yeah, I been waiting for someone to bring up that load of Scott Ritter bullcrap....thanks dh and Frith.

Question: Did you two buy into his load of crap like a few others here?
Wait!
You don't have to answer that.
Lets just wait and see, okie dokie?

Mr. Scott "I'm a fortune-teller" Ritter has about two months left on his prophetic telling.

I'm looking forward to July. You?




seekerof

I take it you don't believe in his stuff then? Okie Dokie