posted on 07/24/2003 at 02:01 AM Post Number: 130772 quote report
Tut, yes, I say that I've seen no rights violations over TIA, Patriot Act, etc, and I stick to that. And again, as we are at war, and as the war is a
new type of war for us and as the fact is the enemy likes to hide behind women and children, blend in as a civilian and then attack in a manner that
inflicts maximum civilian casualties, the strategy of this war on the domestic side of the front will be different. As far as praising a youngster for
wanting to incite armed rebellion, unless someone is going in the right direction from a mess, a man can find himself walking into a larger pile of
Perhaps you do not see them Thomas. However, where I live the violations of civil rights have been noted by local governments. In fact the
municipalities of Fairbanks and Anchorage have elected not to co-operate with the federal government as regards the Patriot Act. And the Borough I
live in is also denying co-operation with the Fed as are others. Ashcroft was here last week and he was not warmly welcomed.
There is a thread around here somewhere that I posted on his visit and subject.
And further more I praised his ideals and his spirit and his ability to see reality. And I did not urge him to incite armed rebellion, I do not belive
it has come to that point yet! I repeat yet! And I do not belive PhoenixCross stated that he was ready to begin armed conflict yet.
That is why I have re-posted his opening thoughts, he urges it is time to fight. There are many ways to fight non-violently. It is called civil
and it has been around for a long time.
"Civil Disobedience" in three parts: One - Two - Three
(Originally published as "Resistance to Civil Government")
"I became convinced that noncooperation with evil is as much a moral obligation as is cooperation with good. No other person has been more eloquent
and passionate in getting this idea across than Henry David Thoreau. As a result of his writings and personal witness, we are the heirs of a legacy of
creative protest." - Martin Luther King, Jr, from his Autobiography, Chapter 2
"when, in the mid-1950's, the United States Information Service included as a standard book in all their libraries around the world a textbook of
American literature which reprinted Thoreau's 'Civil Disobedience,' the late Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin succeeded in having that book
removed from the shelves -- specifically because of the Thoreau essay." - Walter Harding, in The Variorum Civil Disobedience
Much more information: Links to other "Civil Disobedience" sites
"Civil Disobedience" originated as a Concord Lyceum lecture delivered by Henry on January 26, 1848. It was first published in May of 1849, in
Aesthetic Papers, a short-lived periodical that never managed a second issue. The modern title comes from Yankee in Canada, with Anti-Slavery and
Reform Papers, an 1866 collection of Thoreau's work.
Perhaps you should re-read it and see if it is still applicable before the Patriot Act claims it is not.
And I agree with you there are about 270,000,000 Americans walking blindly into a mess like fat sheep to a slaughter.
Originally posted by phoenix_cross
in light of recent events, i am sad to say that the time to fight has come. our government, of the united states of america, is failing to uphold
the needs of the people, and instead, has us embattled world wide, against many forces. we are in a state of war. at home, our economy is falling up
and down at an unsteady pace, much more of this may as well lead us into a second great depression. the war in iraq, is costing taxpayers 16 Billion
dollars, a month. this war is costing us, upwards of seven american soldiers, a week. in two months time, we'll likely see 100+ deaths, and possibly
250 or more casualties.
the situation here at home, we have little to show for the war. in afghanistan, it is unstable, the taliban and al qaeda are still putting up
resistance to our boys, and we have yet to see the dead body of bin laden on cnn. in iraq, saddam has eluded us, and with the death of Uday and Qusay
in question, the conspiracy feeling is great. many americans are out of jobs. many of us live on less than 15,000$ dollars a year, and many of those
people have kids to feed. we are seeing a decline in the jump the economy was showing, when this war on iraq was going strong. we are headed for
failure, we are the earths largest debtor nation, and this year is our largest fiscal deficit. it is time for us to save freedom.
the patriot act, is infringing upon our rights as a people, and could easily be used to put us in a state of New World Order, and martial law. a
growing minority belive that the united states government had a large role in the events of nine eleven. bush, is likely going to be relelected, the
democrats are in chaos, and no candidate has a real way out of this war on terror. before the election in 2oo4, i can almost guarntee, some event that
will give bush enough support to win again, push us again, into four more years of suffering. i as an american, am not going to take this sitting
down, nor will i take it at all. we will restore patriotism, honor, and most of all the constitution. i know many agree with my sentiment. and we have
many options available to us. civil disobidience will not work in this case. we face too determined a government, to fall to the tactics of mandela,
or ghandi. we must fight. we must, get up, pick up our arms, and take back our government.
whoever supports this ideal, please say so, then i will set up a date for us to meet online somehow, in a chat or something, and we will plan
more things out then, a course of action that will follow this pattern.
one, inform the people, and provide proof, hopefully the Veritas group can aid us in this.
two, fight back the expected rebuttals and debunkaries by mass media corporations such as cnn and fox and the six other giants that pretty much
control what we think happens in the world.
and three, as a last resort, fight back against the corrupt, and restore our constitution to power, and end this war on terror. the best offense is a
good defense, defend our homeland, and we can defeat all attackers. instead of having a few bad intelligence agencies, have one strong one, that will
fight for the good of our nation, instead of fighting to save their own asses. ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your time. i hope you will do the