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Originally posted by James the Lesser
A few things here.
First. Why is christianity right? Humans were here for about 30,000 before christianity, and had Druidism and Witchcraft, both peaceful and not one led any major wars or inquisitions. But still, for 30,000 everyone went to hell because there was no christianity, and they suppose to be right, so for 30,000 years everyone, wether good or bad, went to hell.
Second, no such thing as a christian. You ask what they are, they are catholic, methodist, not once will you get christian. How do they expect us to believe them when they don't even agree on what to believe?
Third, bible isn't proof. Written by humans, edited by humans, corrupted by humans. Also, proof of editing, which some christians say god would never allow, my shortest one is over one hundred pages shorter than my longest bible. Same font, over one hundred pages missing. I have several, mainly because I like to point out to my "I'm a christian I'm so holy" sister that she worships death.
Fourth, god doesn't love. He kills million because three people say no, we don't believe. He ruined a mans life, killed his freinds and family and workers, just to prove to satan he has a bigger ego.
Fifth, organized religon in itself, is a way to control the masses. It all bs, no more than my invisable freind has a bigger d*ck than your invisable freind.
Sixth, no proof. As said, bible bs, and so are other books. Me and JamesG came up with our pebble people theory. We said pebble people(invisable) created everything, and eat the socks from laundry which explains why socks dissapear when you do laundry. We couldn't prove they existed, but you can't prove they don't, just like with all religon. And don't use just because we can't prove it doesn't mean it's there. I can say just because I can't dissprove it doesn't mean it isn't there.(did I say that right? confusing)
Seventh, money. Catholic church makes more money in a year then what Bill Gates has made in a lifetime. One reason is no taxes, second is they con and extort. Give money so you can go to heaven, when they have no proof this works. Second, you don't give me money, you go to hell. In other words, you no give, he condems you to hell.
Eigth, what about all the stuff the bible screws up with? Time, places, people, ages. People living to 900 years old, or someone made from the rib of another, and no problem with inbreeding. Of course, when cain was sent away from the rest, he was branded so others knew to stay away. But if he was leaving the only people on earth, who were the others who were staying away? The tower explaining langauge and stuff. First, heaven isn't in the clouds, no need to knock it down. Second, no one would have survived a fall like that, and no fall like that would happen on a round planet. Then, flat earth, center of universe, 6,000 years old. False, false, and false.
Then, well, on the title of the subject, not the branches made from it. The dark gods? There is on god, so how can it be dark gods??? If more than one, then not a mono, but a poly, but christianity is mono, so where the dark gods come from? Of course, explained in another topic on this board about the whole christian mono thing.
Well, nine is enough for now. Remember, religon means nothing, there is a supreme being out there, but didn't make a religon, people did.
Originally posted by Phimes
The church wanted and needed to control you. The church was the governing force in those days. The church told kings and Queens what to do and what not to do.
There was a need to keep you coming to the church, to keep you needing the church and the churches connection to god. They told you, you were not worthy of God. You had sinned. So you needed the church to seek God and his forgiveness for you.
You don't need any one to intervene on your behalf to God. You, in Gods eyes are perfect. There is no sin in God/Creators eyes.
I guess I need to point out something right here and now.
Quoting scriptures to debate me are not gonna work. The Bible is a corrupt accounting of Jesus and the historical data it holds.
When I refer to God with capital letters, it is NOT referring to the god of the Bible.
Who ever said you could fall away from God? The church? Can you separate drops of water from the ocean? yes, but it is still water and is as perfect as the water in the ocean.
WE are a part of God. God is us. There is NO separation. This is the only sin going on here. The idea the church puts in your head thinking you have to be forgiven for something.
As for the laws that we govern ourselves with, some laws are just and some are not. But all are in place as a control.
Quote: Man's law is here on earth.......and whether or not we like it, we abide by these laws............You break the law.....you pay the price.... end quote.
Your right, this is mans law here on earth. And it is mans false unproductive law that tells you...you have sinned. A control mechanism put in place.
Quote: In other words,it is impossible for man,by his own powers,without the interference or help of God, to restore his damaged and disrupted nature. end Quote.
First, humans are not damaged or have a disrupted nature. Another control feature to keep coming to the church for divine intervention.
I will be by your own free will that you will ascend to a higher vibration. God has put all the mechanisms in place for us to evolve at our own pace. That is all the 'intervention' God does. YOU decide which path you follow.
If you follow your line of reasoning it could go something like this.
If we make a bad choice, we pay the price. We are the one held accountable. That is how a lesson is learned.
If you have a child that makes a bad choice and gets themselves into trouble, the best way to teach the child the lesson of their mistake is for the child to pay the consequince. If the child steals money, the child needs to work to repay what he stole. If his father repays the money for the child, what did the child learn? He learned that Dad will bail him out and he doesn't have to worry about the future price he will pay if he repeats the crime.
This is the same principal that should be applied to the idea of our sins being forgiven through Christ's Blood. What have you learned? That you are always going to be bailed out by the Father?
A person needs to learn their own lessons to receive the wisdom of God within themselves. It is the wisdom that will save you, not Christ hanging from a cross. We are to be accountable for ourselves.
If our society, as a whole, were more accountable for the actions that are perpertrated on us, we would not be in the position we find ourselves in.
Organized religion puts restrictions on the individual. It tells us not to look beyond our bible, not to look beyond the clergy for answers. We have had our free will, which is the true "gift" from God, taken from us.
If we are restricted in what we are allowed to experience, how are we to learn what is good and evil? The idea of the original sin is a way to put restrictions on you. Your are taught to believe you have inherited sin. How can this be so when you are a child of God? God has not put this sin on your head, mankind has.
If we are taught to believe that we are sinful, how could we possibly look within ourselves to find God? Would God dwell in such a place? The church does not want you to look inside yourself for God because you would find him. Then what power would the church (religion) have over you? You will find God within yourself as that is where he dwells.
Sin is man made NOT God given.
Quote; to save man from damnation and eternal death END Quote.
Who says man needs saved? The sin never occurred except in the minds of population controlling churches and religions.
And there is no eternal death of the spirit. But the fear of it keeps you going through those church doors.
Originally posted by Truth
Work of satan.
The truth of god has already been revealed through his son.
Tons of millions of miraales have happened in his sons church, tons of miracles
have happened proclaiming that jesuss was and is the lord.
Those who cannot believe do not want to believe.
more signs of course will be given because of