Originally posted by jagdflieger Getting those numbers is the problem. I can tell you what happens to people who resist. Listen you can't get enough people interested in even going to a seminar - you exepect change. First - get educated, learn law, learn the constitution, learn history. Two - form a plan. But based on my experience, you will not change a thing because the people who will educate themselves is too few. Those who will actually do something are fewer.