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Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
If I remember correctly, you are partly correct, but for the wrong reasons.
Many Masons join and do not avail themselves of all that Masonry offers, such things as the Tree of LIfe, if memory serves. Hardly evil stuff there.
So, it's not an inner and outer circle. Some choose to go on with the studies offered by Freemasonry. Some don't. No conspiracy here.
Originally posted by ArchangelOfCool
Aren't certain there certain degrees within the masons? Kind of like security levels, you can only get access to information at a certain level? So saying that all masons are evil and corrupt is kinda harsh. Only certain levels would be at a level to have access to the evil they supposedly have.
Originally posted by free2be
sebatwerk,
Great response. No one could say it better.
Originally posted by Golfie
It's kind of funny to see how many people think in one/two dimensions....
where Freemasonry is actually in 3D.....I was that way too when I joined....I found it easier to understand it as a box... Height (first 3 degrees), Width (appendent organizations SR, YR, etc), Depth (the degrees of the appendent organizations eg: 4-33deg of the Scottish Rite).
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by Golfie
It's kind of funny to see how many people think in one/two dimensions....
where Freemasonry is actually in 3D.....I was that way too when I joined....I found it easier to understand it as a box... Height (first 3 degrees), Width (appendent organizations SR, YR, etc), Depth (the degrees of the appendent organizations eg: 4-33deg of the Scottish Rite).
Yeah, that's how it was explained to me when I was a young mason. But I think you kinda skewed it a bit. For me, it was described as:
HEIGHT: Blue Lodge degrees
WIDTH: Appendant degrees such as York anbd Scottish Rite (32nd degree, etc.)
LENGTH: Additional masonic bodies such as Shriners, Philalethes, etc, which have no degree system.
Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
As I have gathered, there are at least two rings of freemasonry. "The Porch brothers" who are on the outside of the real occult knowldge, and the inner circle who have direct knowledge and contact with the occult.
So, it depends on what level, and what influence you may have as to how far into the brotherhood you will go.
Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
"Depending on your point of view freemasonry is either a gentlemen's club devoted to moral and spiritual values or a corrupt organisation intent on looking after number one. "
www.freemasonrywatch.org...
Originally posted by pignut
A short while ago I would have said the former, that the freemasons are a harmless group of men that meet an perform rituals. The teachings are of a moral nature and they suporting family values and under line religious conviction. I would have said that rituals and traditions of the freemasons reinforce the integrity of the individual Mason and provid him with guidenes in his dealing with the rest of humanity.
However this view is derived from the UGLE website and I am informed by some American freemasons that It is not a wholly accurate account. According to them It seems that the UGLE is giving out false information that rituals are not secret. If so I am doubtful that the rest of what the UGLA says about morality, the relations of the Craft to society and politics is correct.
I am now compleatly confused can anybody clear this up for me?
Originally posted by Trinityman
Originally posted by pignut
A short while ago I would have said the former, that the freemasons are a harmless group of men that meet an perform rituals. The teachings are of a moral nature and they suporting family values and under line religious conviction. I would have said that rituals and traditions of the freemasons reinforce the integrity of the individual Mason and provid him with guidenes in his dealing with the rest of humanity.
However this view is derived from the UGLE website and I am informed by some American freemasons that It is not a wholly accurate account. According to them It seems that the UGLE is giving out false information that rituals are not secret. If so I am doubtful that the rest of what the UGLA says about morality, the relations of the Craft to society and politics is correct.
I am now compleatly confused can anybody clear this up for me?
Well I'll try
Everything you read on the UGLE is entirely correct for English freemasonry. And I think it's fair to say that the broad principles you will find there apply pretty much across the board to all regular Grand Lodges. There will probably be only one or two specific items (such as the removal of the symbolic penalties from the obligation) that will not be found in the US.
But each Grand Lodge manages it's own affairs independently. Deviation from the broad principles runs the risk of being de-recognised by other regular GLs but on other matters there can be quite a bit of deviation.
For example, some GLs in the US have empowered their Grand Master to 'make a mason on sight' - this is not something that is done in any of the UK Grand Lodges.
In England the ritual is regarded as private (clearly laid out on UGLEs website), which is (I suspect) entirely consistent with other regular GLs. I'd be surprised if any of the US State GLs actually include protection of the ritual text itself as part of the obligation, but there may well be strong views held within those GLs that the ritual should not be discussed anywhere.
I think you will find that there is very little actual difference between UGLE and US GLs, and any differences there are will be in the detail.
One possible answer to your question may be in the history of development of ritual in freemasonry. In the US I believe some (or all?) GLs own the copyright to their own ritual and actively get involved in ritualistic matters. In England after the Union in 1813 Ritual Associations were formed and it is these organisations that now are the primary managers of ritual. It is estimated that there are over 50 rituals in England alone - all different to a greater or lesser degree.
You can take read UGLE's website with confidence, pignut.
Originally posted by Masonic Student
... As for why the "penaltied" are retainded, well I've never hurd any "official" expination but I suspect that it is mainly out of tradition and a respect for the men who have gone before. To change, after at least 300 years, just to meet the current "political correctnes" would require a majority vote of the entire grand lodge (three voiting members form every lodge, all past masters, and past grand loge officers) and given the general conservitave nature of most masons wrt tradition is very unlikly.