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Originally posted by masqua
Bilderburgers are private citizens and politicians...there's no question that there is a difference between the two. The distinction being that one is in the service of the population and should be scrutinized by the public, while the other is a businessman and should only draw scrutiny upon evidence of criminal behaviour.
European Bilderberg hunters have found the hiding place of this secretive cabal at a posh resort in this charming little city 40 miles from Munich. Their annual meeting is May 5-8.
Bilderberg is gathering at the Dorint Sofitel Seehotel Ueberfahrt, a five-star conference and business hotel with 188 luxury rooms. It is on a lake and near a golf course, typical Bilderberg requirements. High officials of the U.S. government and possibly a few congressional leaders will participate in three days of secret meetings to plan global policy. Heads of state and other high officials from Europe and Britain will participate, along with world financiers.
David Rockefeller and his valet, Henry Kissinger, are longtime Bilderberg regulars. Donald Graham, publisher of The Washington Post, and associate editor Jimmy Lee Hoagland regularly attend, upon their promise to report nothing.
The New York Times, LA Times and all major networksâ - ABC, CBS and NBC -have participated. All participants are sworn to secrecy. Bilderberg denies its existence, and all the resorts at which they hold their meetings require their employees to lie and deny they are present.
Three times the Dorint told AFP they were fully booked - but that Bilderberg was not there. All but Bilderberg participants and their staffs, wives or, in some cases, someone else's wife, will be required to leave. The hotel staff will be warned to reveal nothing of what they see and hear.
Armed guards will patrol not only the main entrance but the perimeters.
Exposing Bilderberg meetings has provided advance warnings - months ahead of the mainstream media - of U.S. wars, tax increases, and the downfall of Margaret Thatcher as prime minister of Britain, among other exclusives.
www.bilderberg.org...
This year, after having seen several DVD's of video evidence, I finally realised for certain that 9/11 was set up by US NeoCon gangsters. Jimmy Walter (www.reopen911.org), Eric Hufschmid (www.erichufschmid.net), Dave VonKleist (www.thepowerhour.com) and Canadian Daniel Hopsickers's (www.madcowprod.com) are the best I have seen. These North American DVD makers have shone the light on the most disgusting liars in their midst so that the world might see. But will the world look the other way?
In the UK Simon Aronowitz (www.911truthradio.com) has produced a radio loop of riveting 9/11 interviews lasting several hours. We can't rely on the BBC or any mainstream media to show us, the jury, this evidence, so we have to seek it out for ourselves. I particularly recommend Jimmy Walters' FREE DVD available from www.reopen911.org it explains, amongst other gob-smackers, why the twin towers must have been brought down by pre-set explosives.
The NeoCon's have lit the blue touch-paper to the next World War. As we begin to close in on Dick Cheney's central role in planning and perpetrating 9/11 he and his diabolical partners will be pushed, like cornered animals, to ever greater atrocities. Next time it may well be a Nuclear, Chemical or Biological attack, blamed on whoever they want to blame, such is the slavish compliance of the mainstream press.
The mainstream media's editors bear a great responsibility for perpetrating the lie that is Moslem terrorism. If the US army tell them a bomb attack outside a mosque was a 'suicide bomber' they unthinkingly repeat it to the world. If eyewitnesses on the ground saw a US helicopter fire a missile into the crowd it is still a suicide bomber because access has been denied to 'unembedded journalists' and the free press in Iraq has been shut down at gunpoint.
The mainstream Western editors refuse to represent the overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was an inside job, they unquestioningly trot out the lies told by the military as if they were fact. They do not come even close to a balance of proof for either side of the idealogical divide in this postmodern war where goodies are baddies and baddies are goodies and innocent men, women and children die by their hundreds of thousands in the ensuing confusion. One side, you see, has all the financial clout to push their line and they listen in on every media channel and hammer owners and editors when the channel steps out of line. In all but the most robust media the best way to lose your job as a journalist is to question that line. Like CNN editor Eason Jordan, sacked in February this year for daring to admit that US troops had deliberately targetted unembedded journalists.
Which side of this line of belief, pro or anti war on terror, is not just dividing the employed from the unemployed, it is dividing the world. Plunging us, quite possibly, into a global civil war between the independent minded and mostly impoverished sceptics, and those tied in to capitalism who uncritically toe the official line, not wishing to believe that the rich and powerful could hold the rest of humanity in such contempt. Their belief in the war on terror conveniently alienating them from society's victims. By launching his War on Terror George W. and his NeoCon family could well have launched humanity on an irevoccable, earth-shattering slide to Armageddon. The ultimate battle which really will end all wars, fortold by, amongst others, Daniel, Ezekiel, Jesus Christ and the apostle John. - Bilderberg.org
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by Hunting Veritas
I have always been interested by the Bilderberg subject as not one mention goes into mass media. Not to mention the hundreds of world leaders attening a once a year event to discuss matters behind closed doors away from the scrutiny of the world press and the people that want to know WTF is going on.
Actually, you do know what goes on once the decisions are put up for a vote or get made. What's so wrong about how they discuss these things, if it all comes around to the public eventually?
People have said to me why worry??? Its not going to affect you is it. well maybe, maybe not but still I have a right to know what is being said by political, financial, economical etc. etc. leaders that have influential power over the people of earth and we just let it happen, actually we are not told about it so we won't ask questions, if they really would be having the good for people wouldn't they say what there up to?????
The reason these meetings are held in private is to promote an open forum, without members having to worry about public and media scrutiny of their comments. If you guys were there criticizing everything said, that would not be very conducive to an open exchange of ideas, would it?
And NO, you do NOT have the right to demand to know what goes on behind closed doors of a private organization that public people attend ON THEIR OWN TIME. You don't want the government intruding in YOUR business and YOUR privacy, so don't be a hypocrite and demand the same of them!
[edit on 25-4-2005 by sebatwerk]
Actually, you do know what goes on once the decisions are put up for a vote or get made. What's so wrong about how they discuss these things, if it all comes around to the public eventually?
The reason these meetings are held in private is to promote an open forum, without members having to worry about public and media scrutiny of their comments.
Originally posted by Echtelion
As a matter of fact, it does NOT come around to the public eventually, at least not from their own control. Can you provide me with a complete list of all the proposals and decisions that were taken at Bilderberg 2004? No you can't. Nobody who was not related to this meeting can. All we can get is the scarce, ambiguous info revealed from some insiders, or perhaps just hotel staff, about what was discussed and who was there, but these infos are not even available for every year that the Bilderberg took place.
The only way the public gets to know what was decided is by going through the social and economical changes that are ruled during these meetings, and THAT is the problem. That decisions and/or positions on global policy, which are concerning the entire planet, are being taken into a secret, totally illegitimate assembly of approximately 120 members. What's is the problem? A global OLIGARCHY is the problem.
The reason these meetings are held in private is to promote an open forum, without members having to worry about public and media scrutiny of their comments.
Interesting... So you actually know the precise reasons why they keep their meetings secret, by not revealing anything to the public on what's going on inside and by urging hotel staff to not disclose anything that they seen or heard? Where did you take this information from, Sebatwerk? From Bilderbergers officials reactions to critics and conspiracy theorist? Or perhaps you have a copy of the clauses in their official by-laws that says how and why the contents of their meetings must be kept secret from the public eye? Come on... don't be shy, show us your precious proofs!
The original intention of the Bilderberg group was to further understanding between Western Europe and North America through informal meetings between powerful individuals. Each year, a "steering committee" devises a selected invitation list with a maximum of 100 names. The location of their annual meeting is not secret, and the agenda and list of participants are openly available to the public, but the topics of the meetings are kept secret. The official stance of the Bilderberg Group is that their secrecy prevents these individuals' discussions from media manipulation. However, social class-related exclusivity is generally considered to be the primary motive.
sebatwerk
The White House cabinet and senior administration members, which makes hundreds of decisions that affect your life, all meet in private! So does the federal reserve! But here you are, scared to death of a think-tank that is getting together to share ideas and discuss world issues. Amazing!
Seriously dude, you're way too paranoid for your own good! Bilderbergers have NEVER given you a reason to speculate about ANY of this, except that they try to keep their meetings private. THOUSANDS of organizations keep their meetings private! Why don't you go after them?
The White House cabinet and senior administration members, which makes hundreds of decisions that affect your life, all meet in private! So does the federal reserve! But here you are, scared to death of a think-tank that is getting together to share ideas and discuss world issues. Amazing!
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Oh please, got anymore bad assumptions and heresay to repeat? You have NO idea what's going on at these conferences, so save the accusations for someone who's ignorant enough to believe you. Until you are there or see transcripts, you have no clue if they ARE deciding the fates of millions, or if they're simply exchanging ideas and problem-solving.
Originally posted by Amethyst
Apparently the Christian Patriot movement is a huge thorn in their side, and they want to deal with us. Their problem is, if they use our military, they'd be very reluctant to fire on us. So they're talking about UN troops!
Originally posted by the_oleneo
Originally posted by Amethyst
Apparently the Christian Patriot movement is a huge thorn in their side, and they want to deal with us. Their problem is, if they use our military, they'd be very reluctant to fire on us. So they're talking about UN troops!
To quote a certain President: "Bring it on!"
Originally posted by Amethyst
You guys better check out this article about Bilderberg targeting patriots!
Apparently the Christian Patriot movement is a huge thorn in their side, and they want to deal with us. Their problem is, if they use our military, they'd be very reluctant to fire on us. So they're talking about UN troops!
Originally posted by billybob
that's how we know that THEY ARE A CABAL OF MURDEROUS SATANISTS.
maybe, anyway. a lot of evidence says they are.
at the very least, the balance of power in human society is WAY out of whack. too few control too many. the boat will eventually tip and only fate will determine who sinks and who swims.
uber-powerful people having secret meetings is obviously nefarious. these people think they literally OWN us.
BILDERBERG MEETINGS Rottach-Egern, Germany 5-8 May 2005 LIST OF PARTICIPANTS Honorary Chairman
B, Davignon, Etienne, Vice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel Honorary Secretary General
GB, Taylor, J. Martin, International Advisor, Goldman Sachs International
NL, Aartsen, Jozias J. van, Parliamentary Leader, Liberal Party (VVD)
PNA, Abu-Amr, Ziad, Member of the Palestinian Legislative Council; President of the Palestinian Council on Foreign Relations; Professor of Political Science, Birzeit University
D, Ackermann, Josef, Chairman, Group Executive Committee. Deutsche Bank AG
INT, Almunia Amann, Joaquin, Commissioner, European Commission
GR, Alogoskoufis, George, Minister of Economy and Finance
TR, Babacan, Ali, Minister of Economic Affairs
P, Balsemão, Francisco Pinto, Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister
INT, Barroso. José M. Durão, President, European Commission
S, Belfrage, Erik, Senior Vice President, SEB
I, Bernabè, Franco, Vice Chairman, Rothschild Europe
F, Beytout, Nicolas, Editor-in-Chief, Le Figaro
A, Bronner, Oscar, Publisher and Editor, Der Standard
GB, Browne, John, Group Chief Executive, BP plc
D, Burda, Hubert, Chairman of the Board of Management, Hubert Burda Media
IRL, Byrne, David, WHO Special Envoy on Global Cornmunicable Diseases; Former Commissioner, European Commission
F, Camus, Philippe, CEO, EADS
F, Castries, Henri de Chairman of the Board, AXA
E, Cebrián. Juan Luis, CEO, PRISA
USA, Collins, Timothy C., Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
F, Collomb, Bertrand, Chairman, Lafarge
CH, Couchepin, Pascal, Head, Department of Home Affairs
GR, David, George A., Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A.
F, Delpech, Thérèse, Director for Strategic Affairs, Atomic Energy Commission
GR, Diamantopoulou, Anna, Member of Parliament
NL, Docters van Leeuwen, Arthur W.H., Chairman of the Executive Board, Netherlands Authority for the Financial Markets
USA, Donilon, Thomas E., Partner, O’Melveny & Myers
D, Döpfner, Mathias, CEO, Axel Springer AG
DK, Eldrup, Anders, President, DONG A/S
I, Elkann, John, Vice Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
USA, Feldstein, Martin S, President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research
USA, Ford, Jr., William C., Chairman and CEO, Ford Motor Company
USA, Geithner, Timothy F., President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
TR, Gencer, Imregul, Member of the Board, Global Investment Holding
ISR, Gilady, Eival, Strategic Advisor to Prime Minister Sharon
IRL, Gleeson, Dermot, Chairman, AIB Group
USA, Graham, Donald E., Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
N, Grydeland, Bjørn T., Ambassador to the EU
P, Guterres, António, Former Prime Minister; President, Socialist International
USA, Haass, Richard N., President, Council on Foreign Relations
NL, Halberstadt, Victor, Professor of Economics, Leiden University
B, Hansen, Jean-Pierre, CEO, Suez-Tractebel S.A.
A, Haselsteiner, Hans Peter, CEO, Bauholding Strabag SE (Societas Europea)
DK, Hedegaard, Connie, Minister for the Environment
USA, Holbrooke, Richard C., Vice Chairman, Perseus
INT, Hoop Scheffer, Jaap G. de Secretary General, NATO
USA, Hubbard, Allan B., Assistant to the President for Economic Policy and Director of the National Economic Council
B, Huyghebaert, Jan, Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group
USA, Johnson, James A., Vice Chairman, Perseus LLC
INT, Jones, James L., Supreme Allied Commander Euope, SHAPE
USA, Jordan, Jr.,Vernon E., Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
USA, Keane, John M., President, GSI, LLC; General, US Army, Retired
GB, Kerr, John, Director, Shell, Rio Tinto, Scottish Americal Investment Trust
USA, Kissinger, Henry A., Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
D, Kleinfeld, Klaus, President and CEO, Siemens AG
TR, Koç, Mustafa V., Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
D, Kopper, Hilmar, Chairman of the Supervisory Board, DaimlerChrysler AG
F, Kouchner, Bernard, Director, "Santé et développement", CNAM
USA, Kravis, Henry R., Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
USA, Kravis, Marie-Josée, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.
INT, Kroes, Neelie, Commissioner, European Commission
CH, Kudelski, André, Chairman of the Board and CEO, Kudelski Group
F, Lamy, Pascal, President, Notre Europe; Former Commissioner, European Commission
USA, Ledeen, Michael A., American Enterprise Institute
FIN, Liikanen, Erkki, Govemor and Chairman of the Board, Bank of Finland
N, Lundestad, Geir, Director, Norwegian Nobel Institute; Secretary, Norwegian Nobel Committee
USA, Luti, William J., Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs
DK, Lykketoft, Mogens, Chairman, Social Democratic Party
CDN, Manji, Irshad, Author/Founder of "Project Ijtihad”
USA, Mathews, Jessica T., President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
CDN, Mau, Bruce, Bruce Mau Design
CDN, McKenna, Frank, Ambasssador to the US
USA, Medish, Mark C., Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld LLP
USA, Mehlman, Kenneth B., Chairman, Republican National Committee
D, Merkel, Angela, Chairman, CDU; Chairman CDU/CSU-Fraction
SVK, Miklos, Ivan, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance
F, Montbrial, Thierry de, President, French Institute of International Relations (IFRI)
INT, Monti, Mario, President, Bocconi University; Former Commissioner for Competition, European Commission
CDN, Munroe-Blum, Heather, Principal and Vice Chancellor, McGill University
N, Myklebust, Egil, Chairman of the Board of Directors, SAS
D, Nass, Matthias, Deputy Editor, Die Zeit
RUS, Nemirovskaya, Elena, Founder and Director, Moscow School of Political Studies
NL, Netherlands, H.M. tihe Queen of The
PL, Olechowski, Andrzej, Leader Civic Platform
FIN, Ollila, Jorma, Chairman of the Board and CEO, Nokia Corporation
INT, Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso, Member of the Executive Board, European Central Bank
E, Palacio, Loyola de, President, Council on Foreign Relations, Partido Popular
GR, Papandreou, George A., President, Panhellenic Socialist Movement (PASOK)
USA, Pearl, Frank H., Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC
USA, Pearlstine, Norman, Editor-in-Chief, Time Inc.
FIN, Pentikäinen, Mikael, President, Sanoma Corporation
USA, Perle, Richard N., Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
D, Pflüger, Friedbert, Member of Parliament, CDU/CSU Fraktion
B, Philippe, H.R.H. Prince
CDN, Prichard, J. Robert S., President. Torstar Media Group and CEO, Torstar Corporation
IN'T, Rato y Figaredo, Rodrigo de, Managing Director, IMF
CDN, Reisman, Heather, President and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
USA, Rockefeller, David, Member, JP Morgan International Council
USA, Rodin, Judith, President, The Rockefeller Foundation
E, Rodriguez Inciarte, Matias, Executive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander
USA, Ross, Dennis B., Director, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
F, Roy, Olivier, Senior Researcher, CNRS
P, Sarmento, Nuno Morais, Former Minister of State and of Presidency; Member of Parliament
I, Scaroni, Paolo, Chief Executive Officer and Managing Director, Enel S.p.A.
D, Schily, Otto, Minister of the Interior
A, Scholten, Rudolf, Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
D, Schrempp , Jürgen E., Chairman of the Board of Management, DaimlerChrysler AG
D, Schulz, Ekkehard D., Chairman of the Executive Board, ThyssenKrupp AG
E, Sebastián Gascón, Miguel, Chief Economic Adviser to Prime Minister
ISR, Sharansky, Natan, Former Minister for Jerusalem & Diaspora Affairs
I, Siniscalco, Domenico, Minister for Economy and Finance
GB, Skidelsky, Robert, Professor of Political Economy, Warwick University
E, Spain, H.M. the Queen of
IRL, Sutherland, Peter D., Chairman, Goldman Sachs International; Chairman, BP p.l.c.
PL, Szwajcowski, Jacek, CEO, Polska Grupa Farmaceutyczna
FIN, Tiilikainen, Teija H., Director, University of Helsinki, Network for European Studies
NL, Tilmant, Michel, Chairman, ING N.V.
INT, Trichet, Jean-Claude, Governor, European Central Bank
TR, Ülsever, Cüneyt, Columnist, Hürriyet
CH, Vasella, Daniel L., Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG
NL, Veer, Jeroen van der, Chairman Committee of.Managing Directors, Royal Dutch Shell Group
USA, Vinocur, John, Senior Correspondent, International Herald Tribune
S, Wallenberg, Jacob, Chairman of the Board, Investor AB; Vice-Chairman, SEB
USA, Warner, Mark R., Governor of Virginia
GB, Weinberg, Peter, CEO, Goldman Sachs International
D, Wissmann, Matthias, Member of Parliament, CDU/CSU Fraktion
GB, Wolf, Martin H., Asscociate Editor and Economics Commentator, The Financial Times
INT/USA, Wolfensohn, James D., President, The World Bank
USA, Wolfowitz, Paul, President designate, The World Bank
USA, Zakaria, Fareed, Editor, Newsweek International
D, Zumwinkel, Klaus, Chairman of the Board of Management, Deutsche Post AG
D, Merkel, Angela, Chairman, CDU; Chairman CDU/CSU-Fraction
D, Pflüger, Friedbert, Member of Parliament, CDU/CSU Fraktion
D, Wissmann, Matthias, Member of Parliament, CDU/CSU Fraktion