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Originally posted by Qwas
I don't think it is a lack of interest, just a lack of knowledge.
I'm very interested in the Bilderberg's meeting. I wouldn't want to guess as to who will show up or what will be discussed.
But thanks for this information and please keep us posted as to anything else you hear.
Originally posted by Nygdan
I'm surprised no one has ever been able to crash the meetings. Perhaps its not so surprising tho, since lots of the peopel attending it probably have their own security teams sweeping thru it.
Any ATSers in Munich might want to start caryying around a camera those days!
Originally posted by mickmeaney
Sometimes I wonder if secrecy and privacy get mixed up. I do think that everything connected with these guys should be made public, even if it causes a few problems.
[edit on 25-4-2005 by mickmeaney]
Originally posted by St Udio
in my view...this hobnobbing & schmoozing and physical contacts...
is just the personnalization of their networking
-sorta like the 'red-carpet' aspect of the Oscar dramas at tinseltown-
Originally posted by St Udio
these mover&shaker Elites do their secret & sensitive & covert work
not at some 2-3 day gathering at a 5***** hotel/conference...
they have highly secured teleconfrencing links & information transfer
capabilities, and supporting think-tanks or foundations which do all the 'work' ... throughout the normal course of the year.
But, i do like the speculation and fictional fantasies which arise
because of these 'socialization' events, which are secret & priveledged
because the savage world in which we all must survive, prevail, prosper in
Originally posted by St Udio
BTW... if everything were made totally public, expect more of your income to be diverted toward this Elite Groups security & protection...
the easiest way is to increase your taxes or more expensive goods/services
...if someone wants to know what 'those guys' are up to...well, get a plane ticket, buy some P.I. surveillence equipment, sleuth around-> at your own expense, then either share or sell your findings
www.bilderberg.org...
Have things changed since Swinton’s time? Yes, but maybe not for the better. Polly Toynbee, writing in the Independent several years ago said: “Journalism is grubbier, nastier and more trivial than ever before...” She has a point - look at the tabloids and a host of other publications, and see what a mass of trivial irrelevant material now passes for so called news, distracting us from thinking for ourselves about what really matters to us. The same applies to television - more and more channels turning out more and more soaps, quiz shows, comedy shows, chat shows, pop shows - an ever increasing diet of trivialisation, interspersed on commercial stations, with adverts that endlessly sell us all the things they tell us we have to have to make us happy - the dolly bird images that all women must live up to, and the macho images that all men must live up to. How miserable we can become if we don’t measure up to these smooth cultivated images, or can’t afford all the paraphernalia that goes with them. (And aren’t we always being persuaded to go more and more into debt by borrowing more and more money to get it, by “listening” banks and “action” banks who join in this orgy of advertising.)
Ms. Toynbee went on to imply that broad-sheets such as the Independent, the Guardian, the Telegraph and the Financial Times were highly reliable and informative. However newspapers like these and mainstream radio and T.V. networks cannot possibly give us a full picture, or a comprehensive analysis, of what is going on in the world. Look at the big corporate interests that own them and advertise in them. And even if they don’t actually own the BBC, look how these interests and their friends in government make and influence appointments to senior posts, and dominate the Board of Governors, ensuring that it is no more independent than any of the others.
In the old Soviet Union and its satellite states in eastern Europe, government controlled the media. Nothing of substance could be published without the prior approval of the Communist party commissars. Yet today, in the United States in particular, the situation is broadly similar although most people are blissfully unaware of it. In the US, for example, it is a select handful of super-rich and tightly knit financial interests who own the big media outlets. ABC, CBS, NBC, Time, Newsweek, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune along with numerous regional newspapers, radio and television outlets. The big names include David Rockefeller, Edgar Bronfman, Rupert Murdoch, and Conrad Black. Big media can effectively control government by deciding who and what it will or won’t support. In the UK, Murdoch owns the Times and the Sun and Black the Daily Telegraph.
The mainstream media is very much a closed shop and generally only those willing to do the bidding of the power elite need apply! However that’s not a problem for a lot of media people because it seems that a broad swathe of these people actually have a very limited view of the world – they get all their information from establishment sources – they don’t really pay attention to or investigate what protesters are saying. They enjoy good pay and lavish life styles and they simply can’t understand why anyone would see a problem with the world as it is – after all, it serves them well enough!
Originally posted by Hunting Veritas
I have always been interested by the Bilderberg subject as not one mention goes into mass media. Not to mention the hundreds of world leaders attening a once a year event to discuss matters behind closed doors away from the scrutiny of the world press and the people that want to know WTF is going on.
People have said to me why worry??? Its not going to affect you is it. well maybe, maybe not but still I have a right to know what is being said by political, financial, economical etc. etc. leaders that have influential power over the people of earth and we just let it happen, actually we are not told about it so we won't ask questions, if they really would be having the good for people wouldn't they say what there up to?????
Originally posted by masqua
Bilderburgers are private citizens and politicians...there's no question that there is a difference between the two. The distinction being that one is in the service of the population and should be scrutinized by the public, while the other is a businessman and should only draw scrutiny upon evidence of criminal behaviour.
Originally posted by masqua
Interesting question about disclosure and transparency, but does anyone really believe these big conferences are 'where it's happening'?
And NO, you do NOT have the right to demand to know what goes on behind closed doors of a private organization that public people attend ON THEIR OWN TIME
Originally posted by kegs
And NO, you do NOT have the right to demand to know what goes on behind closed doors of a private organization that public people attend ON THEIR OWN TIME
These are not the equivalent of "Red Carpet" socials. There are no public awards or plaudits for jobs well done, The results, agendas and resolutions of these meetings are Not made public. The meetings themselves are hardly publicised. They remain secret for a reason; They do not want the general public aware of it. If they weren't concerned about that there would be no secrecy. It's not for security. Everyone knows about G8, and the security for that is of course tight.
These are public elected officials of the worlds richest countries, mixing with business leaders, Royalty and others who decide the plot of the lives of millions. If you don't want to know anything about it, that's up to you. I'm afraid the rest of us do. Pretend you just watch the mainstream media, Then you'd be none the wiser.
Until you are there or see transcripts, you have no clue if they ARE deciding the fates of millions, or if they're simply exchanging ideas and problem-solving.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by kegs
And NO, you do NOT have the right to demand to know what goes on behind closed doors of a private organization that public people attend ON THEIR OWN TIME
These are not the equivalent of "Red Carpet" socials. There are no public awards or plaudits for jobs well done, The results, agendas and resolutions of these meetings are Not made public. The meetings themselves are hardly publicised. They remain secret for a reason; They do not want the general public aware of it. If they weren't concerned about that there would be no secrecy. It's not for security. Everyone knows about G8, and the security for that is of course tight.
These are public elected officials of the worlds richest countries, mixing with business leaders, Royalty and others who decide the plot of the lives of millions. If you don't want to know anything about it, that's up to you. I'm afraid the rest of us do. Pretend you just watch the mainstream media, Then you'd be none the wiser.
Oh please, got anymore bad assumptions and heresay to repeat? You have NO idea what's going on at these conferences, so save the accusations for someone who's ignorant enough to believe you. Until you are there or see transcripts, you have no clue if they ARE deciding the fates of millions, or if they're simply exchanging ideas and problem-solving.