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Idiot school counselor changes Pledge of Allegiance

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posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 01:16 PM
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www.washingtontimes.com...

DENVER -- The students in Vincent Pulciani's seventh-grade class were reciting the Pledge of Allegiance this week when they heard the voice over the intercom say something they'd never heard before, at least not during the Pledge.
Instead of "one nation, under God," the voice said, "one nation, under your belief system."
The bewildered students at Everitt Middle School in Wheat Ridge never even got to "indivisible," according to Vincent's mother, Christina Pulciani-Johnson.


This is the second major pledge faux paus in Colorado in the last couple of months. The 1st was a city councilman that was recalled for not standing for the pledge.

I applaud Colorado for standing up for the pledge, and to the students of the middle school for knowing stupidity when they see it.




posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 01:21 PM
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Well, I just skip that line XD.

It should be "one nation of the people" anyway imho.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by Carseller4
Instead of "one nation, under God," the voice said, "one nation, under your belief system."


Wow, talk about political correctness run amuk!


This is truly ridiculous IMHO.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:01 PM
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Instead of "one nation, under God," the voice said, "one nation, under your belief system."


There is not anything wrong with saying "one nation, under God"

Can you Imagine someone saying: One nation under [insert God here]
Allah, God, Buddah, harry krishna, Zeuss, feakin Hendrix...whoever.

America's Forefathers or whoever wrote the pledge wrote it in a manner to where "God" encompasses all beliefs and religions.

According to Dictionary.com and Webster God is:

Definition of God

God
A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions.
The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being.
A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality.
An image of a supernatural being; an idol.
One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
A very handsome man.
A powerful ruler or despot.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by SportyMB
Definition of God
God
One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god.
A very handsome man.
A powerful ruler or despot.


Could this possibly mean George W. Bush?

Many people worship, idealize and follow him, and while he certainly isnt a handsome man/monkey he is a powerful ruler and possibly a despot.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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I actually think this is a step forward. We are not a "nation under God", never have been, and we we never will. Saying it in the pledge of allegiance is total BS.

However the way it was worded, "one nation, under your belief system" is just ugly. It would be better to have a more aesthetically pleasing wording.


By the way, here is the true Pledge of Allegiance, written by the socialist Francis Bellamy in 1892 as a celebration of the first official Columbus Day:

"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:30 PM
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Could this possibly mean George W. Bush?


Depending on how one manipulates the definition, it can fit just about anyone with money and fame (aka "power" as some of you think of it).




By the way, here is the true Pledge of Allegiance, written by the socialist Francis Bellamy in 1892 as a celebration of the first official Columbus Day:


Hey man, do you have a link to this....I never knew that



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by SportyMBAmerica's Forefathers or whoever wrote the pledge wrote it in a manner to where "God" encompasses all beliefs and religions.


The founders had nothing to do with the pledge. Its arguable that its antithetical to what they were all about. The Pledge was written by a socialist originally. It was modified by Congress on a few ocassions.

Nothign really too disturbing here. 'God' is not very inclusive, there are other beleif systems that don't involve any god, why not make the pledge like this?

Hell, why not remove the pledge altogether, and take the flags out of the class rooms? A flag is a military rallying point and a nationalist symbol. Not saying I am opposed to it, but why not remove it? Its not integral to the functioning of the country, nor is it being 'traditional' necessary.

Replace it with something better, like the text of the constitution, have students pledge fealty to it and the law.



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These things are far more important, and accurate really, than the flag itself.

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[edit on 4/26/2005 by Gools]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by SportyMB

Hey man, do you have a link to this....I never knew that


Why yes I do! history.vineyard.net...



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:38 PM
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If Middle-School children can see thru the lies, the battle is not lost and theres still hope for America.


Max



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:46 PM
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Why do you have flags and Pledges of Allegiance in School? Is that not a little bit facist?

I can remember another country where Flags are draped everywhere and people pledge their allegiance to the "Homeland"...

(Homeland....LOL...such bollocks... Most of America's true homeland lies on the European continent. The only Americans that really should call it their Homeland are the ones that were there to begin with)



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:53 PM
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I don't know why it was changed form the original version. The original sounds a whole lot better than the current one.

off topic:
I remember back in 7th grade, my Social Studies teacher made people say the pledge individually. One kid didn't know it, boy was my teacher pissed. The kid ended up telling me that it was against his religion to say the pledge.

It is interesting to see how the battle over one word, which to some means nothing, still goes on.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by stumason
(Homeland....LOL...such bollocks... Most of America's true homeland lies on the European continent. The only Americans that really should call it their Homeland are the ones that were there to begin with)


Im American!!! Not quit sure of where my people came from way back when. I know a few came from England, a few from Germany and most from Ireland.

So If i'm not American then what am I? Im not English, not German and not Irish...What am I stumason? IM asking you since you are the expert here.*BS*

The same can be said about all nationalities. Wherever the Brits originally came from, that's what they are. (not really IM just making a statement, Nothing wrong with people from the UK or wherever else)

Sorry to get off topic

[edit on 24/4/2005 by SportyMB]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 03:01 PM
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What's even worse is that when Pepsi had the Pledge on cans, they used the original version. Christians went NUTS! "KILL KILL DESTROY RAPE BURN KILL!" Insane. Of course most don't know that the Red Scare is what caused the Pledge to be changed.

I swear, christians are so strange, all about killing and raping until they get exposed, then they are "we are a peaceful and loving religon, even though 10 minutes ago we were telling people to go out and kill anyone with a mole on their neck."

[edit on 24-4-2005 by James the Lesser]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 03:08 PM
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Hey, America is the continent. Technically, you a US citizen.

Using the "American" analogy, if you are going to claim it as your homeland, then Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians and even those nasty little critters from Venezuela you hate so much are Americans are as well.

I view myself as Cornish personally. A derivative of the ancient Britons who were here before the Roman or Anglo-Saxon invasions. I also have Irish blood, but then they are of the same stock.

"Americans" is such an ambiguos term and in no way can be applied to a particular race of people. If there is no particular race, as you are all immigrants (bar the Native Americans who were there 25,000 years ago), then how can there be a "Homeland"?

But you are right, over time everyone moves around and ends up living somewhere else. We could all say our homeland is in Africa, but then I am sure some right-wing bible nutters would dispute that.

Anyway...off topic. I merely added my little commet about the !="Homeland" to demonstrate the facist nature of extreme Nationalism.

(note the difference between Nationalism and Patriotism. You in the US do not seem to be able to tell sometimes)



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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I wonder when they stopped making us do the pledge of alliegence in school...

I mean honestly I don't remember doing it after elementry.


Funny as a small child I would have to recite a pledge every day of my life, and now... I probably couldnt remember it all.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
I swear, christians are so strange, must be the smell rom having their heads shoved up their ass.


Haha, that's good. I would give you a WATS for that if it would allow me.



I don't know why it was changed form the original version. The original sounds a whole lot better than the current one.


It was changed in the fifties because of a sort of "revival" where people were trying to shove God so far into the government it could never be taken out. And from this we have old Prez-ee-dent Eisenhower to thank; "In God We Trust". Right. Make that "In Jesus We, The Politicans, Are Trying To Make You Trust".

[edit on 24-4-2005 by iceofspades]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 03:18 PM
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I view it as an acknowledgement that our rights, as said in the Declaration of Independence, come from a higher power than the government, your God and Creator. Whereas in other governments all your rights are granted by the government, the U.S. says that people are "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." Therefore our government is truly "under God."

[edit on 4/24/2005 by djohnsto77]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 03:22 PM
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Why do you have flags and Pledges of Allegiance in School? Is that not a little bit facist?


You Have a flag in your picture to the left.




But you are right, over time everyone moves around and ends up living somewhere else. We could all say our homeland is in Africa, but then I am sure some right-wing bible nutters would dispute that.


Yup, we all did originate in Africa. But I would not call it my homeland.....HOMEland. The key word is HOME. Wherever someone feels there home is. Heck you could be white Australian and call Ouagadougoo Africa your homeland if that's where you feel it's at.



nasty little critters from Venezuela you hate so much


Hmm? Why do I hate them? Maybe I missed the news


You are looking way too deep into this. Let's just say we are all Earthlings and leave it at that


[edit on 24/4/2005 by SportyMB]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 03:32 PM
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You Have a flag in your picture to the left.


Yeah, I know. But I am not saluting it, singing to it, or making pledges to it (only at football games). And I think it goes well with the Alien


I do however have a St Georges cross hanging in my living room, but that is for Aesthetic reasons mostly (as I have it backlit in the corner by a lamp, it looks nice
) and again, I don't salute/sing/worship or spunk on it.

There are more things to a love for ones country than a Flag, which was originally a military standard so the troops on the battlefield could see wether the King was a pussy or not




Yup, we all did originate in Africa. But I would not call it my homeland.....HOMEland. The key word is HOME.


I see what your getting at. But that definition is not what I had in mind when the word Homeland is used. Oh well, down to opinions I guess




Hmm? Why do I hate them? Maybe I missed the news


Maybe you did
.. And not you personally, I meant the US. You have tried to overthrow Chavez more times than i have hot dinners!



You are looking way too deep into this. Let's just say we are all Earthlings and leave it at that


If only it were that easy. I would love for us all to come together and forget about pieces of land we call "countries".

Causes more pain and misery than anything else.

However, there are those out there of the slightly fruity ideological persuasion that would like to kill all those nasty Moos-Lims or A-Rabs...




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