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Ukrainian Opposition Unveiled Masonic Conspiracy

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posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 11:20 AM
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"14:39 2003-02-04

Ukrainian Opposition Unveiled Masonic Conspiracy

Ukrainian opposition is to make a sensational exposure. As leader of Ukraine-s Social Party Alexander Moroz says, about 300 high-ranking officials in Ukraine are members of a Masonic lodge which representative office is located somewhere abroad. These are Ukraine-s prosecutor general, chief of the Ukrainian security service, the minister of defense, the first president of Ukraine and parliament deputies. As LIGA online informs, Alexander Moroz says it is abnormal that ?Ukraine-s prosecutor general is at the same time a chevalier.¦

The Socialist leader says that people belonging to a Masonic lodge cannot hold key governmental posts. "

www.prisonplanet.com...

Well, well, well. masons cant hold public office in the Ukraine. Maybe we shold have the same law in the United States.




posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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Yes, without a doubt, we need to be as much like Ukraine as possible.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 12:06 PM
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Lets read a little further down the article shall we, instead of just snipping the sensationalist part which doesn't tell the whole story


The matter concerns the Order of Saint Stanislav into which representatives of Ukrainian elite and high-ranking officials are actively dubbed. The initiation ceremony of some politicians (for instance, initiation of Ukraine-s first president Leonid Kravchuk) was photographed, and the pictures were later published in a book. The opposition presented the book as the evidence of the Masonic order-s existence. Former Vice-premier of Ukraine Julia Timoshenko says "charters of such organizations are frequently esteemed more than the Constitution and legislation of Ukraine."

Ukraine-s Ex-president and leader of the parliamentary social democratic faction Leonid Kravchuk says that accusation of his belonging to masonry are "bluff and lie". However, he admits that he has been member of the Order of Saint Stanislav since 1999; the organization has its priory in Ukraine. But Leonid Kravchuk doesn-t consider the organization Masonic.


He is correct. The organisation is what is known as quasi-masonic - imitative of but not a part of regular freemasonry. The Order of Saint Stanislav is not recognised by any regular masonic body. It's very easy to set up an organisation and call it masonic but that doesn't mean that it is one.

Ukraine-groupies such as All Seeing Eye will no doubt be pleased to know that the Ukranian parliament is considering introducing a bill making membership of masonic organisations a criminal offence and punishable by jail.

www.mosnews.com...

However, don't y'all get too excited now.


He has submitted to the Rada a bill entitled "On amendments to the Criminal
Code of Ukraine", according to which, membership of Freemason organizations,
or any other organizations that require rituals and oaths of higher priority
than the current law, must be punished by a jail sentence of up to three
years.


Regular freemasonry does not require such oaths, and in fact emphasises adherance to the law of the land, so this bill will only apply to irregular masonic organisations anyway, the like of which I would be quite happy to see the back of as it gives the rest of us a bad name.

The introduction of such a law to the US would have no effect on regular freemasonry at all.

On a more positive note, regular freemasonry is alive and well in the Ukraine and other former Soviet countries:

www.freemasonrytoday.co.uk... (scroll down a little)


Formation of the Districts of Moldova and the Ukraine
On 17 October, Grand Master Di Bernardo went to Odessa in the Ukraine where, having ascertained the existence of three regularly consecrated lodges ("Hiram", "Nuova Atlantide" and "Cosmopolitan"), he formed the District of the Ukraine. Following the customary rituals, in the splendid hall of the Museum of Literature, he appointed Bro Valery Zaporozhan, Rector of Odessa Medical University and Master of the Hiram Lodge of Odessa, as Grand Master. Grand Master Zaporozhan then appointed and invested his Grand Officers.

Other lodges will shortly be opening in the Ukraine, in Kiev, L'Vov, Donbas and Crimea, and it seems highly probable that the light of Freemasonry will also be shining in other ex-Soviet Union countries by next year.


Good news, huh



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 04:08 PM
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All-Seeing Eye, I think you should think a little more before you post something that you think damages Freemasonry. A 2nd-world socialist country has it in for irregular masonic groups! Oh my!

Give it up, dude.


[edit on 24-4-2005 by sebatwerk]



posted on Jul, 18 2005 @ 08:58 PM
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first of all the order that some ukraninan leaders are apart of is the orden of saint stanislav which originated in russia and not ukraine. Also IT is no suprise that remninents of soviet factions seem to disapprove of freethinkers such as masons. It is important to note that Hitler also dissapproved of freemasons and killed a bloody lot of them. The reason was masons preach all men are equal and this would obviously dispell and undermine his myths of a master aryan race. On the same token obviously
an opposition group who opposed the democracy in ukraine at the time would obviously claim conspiracy. The order which the then ukraninan president belonged is not ukraninan nor masonic . Obviously groups who
want to revive a soviet socialist tyranny would oppose free thinkers such as masons who accept all and have members in every country. SO IS THERE A CONSPIRACY A MASONIC ONE IN UKRAINE....OBVIOUSLY NOT >>>>IS THERE A CONSPIRACY AGAINST FREE THINKING ...? ILL LET YOU ANSWER THAT



posted on Jul, 18 2005 @ 10:40 PM
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Why would we want to ban masons from holding office in the U.S., that is completely un-America! And it makes no sense, please explain yourself?



posted on Jul, 18 2005 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk
A 2nd-world socialist country has it in for irregular masonic groups!

Uh, the entire Islamic world has it out for freemasonry as well. There are only two Arabic or muslim countries which allow freemasonry, Morroco is one of them. Freemasonry is illegal in the rest of the Arabic or Islamic world because they know who the grail serves. They have had a few thousand years of their fill of it. Not to mention the growing opposition here on the homefront. People are tired of fighting the wars of wannabe wizards.



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by twitchy
Uh, the entire Islamic world has it out for freemasonry as well. There are only two Arabic or muslim countries which allow freemasonry, Morroco is one of them. Freemasonry is illegal in the rest of the Arabic or Islamic world because they know who the grail serves. They have had a few thousand years of their fill of it. Not to mention the growing opposition here on the homefront. People are tired of fighting the wars of wannabe wizards.


Not the entire Islamic world. Freemasonry has existed in Egypt for a long time. New lodges are being created in Iraq as we speak, and I think Afghanistan will see the same thing soon, if it hasn't already. Also, what about some of the more progressive Islamic states, such as Pakistan and Turkey.

Anyways, my point in the previous post was that it's no surprise that ANY government concerned about controlling its people would ban Freemasonry.



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 01:47 AM
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>>>>A 2nd-world socialist country



You mean this as an insult.


You're so vile and arrogant,
you'd be irradicated from masonry
around here.


Cedric Phi



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 02:11 AM
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Originally posted by Boatphone
Why would we want to ban masons from holding office in the U.S., that is completely un-America! And it makes no sense, please explain yourself?


do you know who a mason is?



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by omega1

Originally posted by Boatphone
Why would we want to ban masons from holding office in the U.S., that is completely un-America! And it makes no sense, please explain yourself?


do you know who a mason is?


well i know who a mason is...ME. but why would you want to bad us from holding an office simply because we belong to a fraternity, that's like saying someone cant hold an office because they are homosexual.



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 04:13 AM
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Originally posted by sebatwerk


Not the entire Islamic world. Freemasonry has existed in Egypt for a long time. New lodges are being created in Iraq as we speak, and I think Afghanistan will see the same thing soon, if it hasn't already. Also, what about some of the more progressive Islamic states, such as Pakistan and Turkey.

Anyways, my point in the previous post was that it's no surprise that ANY government concerned about controlling its people would ban Freemasonry.


In fact isnt this exactly what masons have been doing for a looong time now....break up a country and install your own puppet government


And you wonder why so many people dislike freemasons



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment
>>>>A 2nd-world socialist country

You mean this as an insult.


What are you talking about?!?!? 2nd-world IS socialist! That's the definition of a 2nd world country! HOW is that an insult?!?



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by nukunuku
In fact isnt this exactly what masons have been doing for a looong time now....break up a country and install your own puppet government


And you wonder why so many people dislike freemasons


Ummm, can you give me an example of somewhere that Freemasons have installed a puppet government?!? That's absolutely ridiculous, you give WAY too much credit to Freemasonry. I've told you MANY times before, Freemasonry, as an institution, isn't interested in politics, government, society or religion. It's interests lie in itself only.

Sure, many Freemasons started governments such as the USA and France, but not under the auspices of the fraternity and not as a puppet. They FOUNDED these governments as a way to install freedom and democracy. Go ahead, criticize THAT.




posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 12:47 PM
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Sure, many Freemasons started governments such as the USA and France, but not under the auspices of the fraternity and not as a puppet. They FOUNDED these governments as a way to install freedom and democracy. Go ahead, criticize THAT.



And of course you will now claim that after that masons stopped being involved in politics altogether and went back to making castles in the sand.
Truly sebat, i know you know its nonsense.

Directly or indirectly masons are involved in the behind the curtains politics of the entire world. Now finally, when the iron curtain fell, you can spread your influence to eastern europe.
Im not saying your influence is good or bad....just stop claiming its not going on ....a week or two ago a couple of your brothers got arrested in Italy for selling confidential info of Italian government to mosad and cia....
funny i dont find the news on the internet, becouse it was on national news.

sincerely



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by nukunuku
And of course you will now claim that after that masons stopped being involved in politics altogether and went back to making castles in the sand.
Truly sebat, i know you know its nonsense.


I am not talking about INDIVIDUAL FREEMASONS, I am referring to Freemasonry as an organization. There are many Freemasons involved in politics, always have been, but they do not represent the fraternity and they are not acting on the part of Freemasonry. Sorry to break it to you, but Freemasonry as a whole institution has NEVER involved itself in politics.

Can you prove otherwise?

[edit on 19-7-2005 by sebatwerk]



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 03:17 PM
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Who wants a president who favors masons ?


It's like wanting someone from the mafia presides.


In fact, most of the time we discover way later presidency
that a government did favor masonry.



This situation is not politically clean,
they are conflicts of interests and
though they can't be proven, the
only doubt of them happening justifies
that masons should not be linked with
government.



We build universities that serve to
credit and evaluate people, and the masons
are trying to bypass that system withtheir own system
of evaluation.



If tons of masons get into government,
what is the need of universities?

If you ask me, college fraternities corrupt
the whole thing that Charlemagne had started.

They create division and malign systems
of evaluation.


It's like mafia, it's not fair.


And Onu was not fair either, not the way it was brought up.


It has very good intention but it was self-imposing.


You don't self-impose yourself like that.



Cia self-imposed themselves.

They did so many sad things...


You have to be sad to work in those places.
Is it the money ? Is it about being a smart ass?
Is it about having bitten the dust all of
your life ? Go figure.... People are crazy.


So...basically.......masons function kinda like Cia.



Cedric Phi



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment
In fact, most of the time we discover way later presidency that a government did favor masonry.


You are SO full of it! Give me ONE example of this.



This situation is not politically clean, they are conflicts of interests and
though they can't be proven, the only doubt of them happening justifies
that masons should not be linked with government.


If they can't be proven, why do you claim it as a fact?



We build universities that serve to credit and evaluate people, and the masons are trying to bypass that system withtheir own system
of evaluation.


What the HELL are you talking about?!?



If tons of masons get into government, what is the need of universities?


Tons of masons DON'T get into government. The ones that do went to school for it or were voted in, either way they got in of their own accord. Can you demonstrate otherwise?



If you ask me, college fraternities corrupt the whole thing that Charlemagne had started.


Good God, you are so completely full of it. You make NO sense whaostever. Have you ever thought of taking medication?



It's like mafia, it's not fair.


Wah! Wah! Wah! Do you want a little cheese with that whine? All you ever do is complain about stuff that is none of your concern. Start having a normal adult conversation or shut the hell up.



So...basically.......masons function kinda like Cia.


How do you take yourself seriously? Honestly, how can you look in the mirror each morning? Seeing as how you didn't come to the above conclusion logically, it only stand to reason that you posted it to get a reaction out of people. In other words, you're a troll. Why don't you do us ALL a favor and just disappear for another year. Come back some other time to annoy the hell out of us.



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 04:06 PM
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>>>>>>You are SO full of it! Give me ONE example of this.


The well-situated temple of Scottish Rite.



>>>>If they can't be proven, why do you claim it as a fact?



I don't need facts. This is the philosophical part.
I deduct. The possibility that they may happen
justifies a clause for national security.

Just like when they bannished
personal lockers in train stations in New York.


>>>>>Can you demonstrate otherwise?


The invention of Nato and Cia.



>>>>You make NO sense whaostever.


You don't have the mental ability to get me, it seems.



>>>>>Come back some other time to annoy the hell out of us.


Who are the friends of Sebatwerk here ?


Better be 10 answers before I start to give credibility to someone abusing of the term "us" so much.


Cedric Phi



(PS: you're the doll for not acknowledging that masons and cia respect similar systems of hierarchy....secluded from public sphere...where information never pass from up to down.....a beehive system...any 4 year kids would understand it)







[edit on 19-7-2005 by Centiment]



posted on Jul, 19 2005 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Centiment
>>>>>>You are SO full of it! Give me ONE example of this.

The well-situated temple of Scottish Rite.


How does the Scottish Rite's temple demonstrate that a presidency or government has favored masons?



>>>>>Can you demonstrate otherwise?

The invention of Nato and Cia.


You think the invention of nato and the CIA are proof that Freemasons make it into government by bypassing normal protocols such as election?!? That makes absolutely to sense.



>>>>You make NO sense whaostever.

You don't have the mental ability to get me, it seems.


Right. You're the only one with the mental ability to understand you, right? That's called "crazy".



Who are the friends of Sebatwerk here ?

Better be 10 answers before I start to give credibility to someone abusing of the term "us" so much.


I could care less what you give credibility to. I know who I'm speaking for, and it's not just myself. You've had problems with several people here on ATS, and you have annoyed quite a few more.



(PS: you're the doll for not acknowledging that masons and cia respect similar systems of hierarchy


I won't acknowledge that because it's not true. Unless everyone in the CIA is equal, this is simply not the case. The CIA has a NEED for official ranks and functional hirearchy. This is what allows the CIA to function. Freemasonry is not a operative organization and therefore has no need for authority and ranks. Plain and simple. Everything you are claiming is just nuts.



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