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Originally posted by Jehosephat
The da vinci code is a fictional novel, that is, it is imaginary. It appeals to people who hold to conspiracy theories, but it makes no claims of being true. It is as true, for example, as a James Bond movie.
Is there any possibility that Jesus and Mary Magdalene married and had children together? No. Did Leonardo da Vinci actually intend to portray a woman at the Last Supper? No, there isn't a shred of historical evidence for such an idea.
According to Brown, the great crime of the church was suppressing what he calls the "sacred feminine" , making the church patriarchal against Jesus' wishes, and choosing four gospels which falsely portray Jesus as the Son of God. It is unclear whether Brown really believes these fictions, or whether he just thinks they make a good story.
The "sacred feminine" is nothing other than the Mother Earth Goddess concept which is common to many pagan religions including Baal worship. There is a description in the book of a pagan ritual with immoral sexual activity that isn't much different from the fertility rites connected with the worship of Baal and his consort that the Old Testament prophets labeled as being both idolatry and adultery.
Leonardo DaVinci evidently was a Grand Master of the Priory of Holy Sion during his lifetime. According to Brown, DaVinci believed that the Church should be worshipping the "sacred feminine" and that Mary was Jesus' wife. Brown claims that DaVinci hid clues to what he believed in his paintings, hence the title of the book.
Every so often somebody comes out with a book that says that the Bible's claims about Jesus are false. Although there is no evidence that the alleged writings of Jesus and Mary Magdalene ever existed, there were early books written about Jesus which were rejected by the early church as pure fantasy. We teach and believe that the four Gospels which are included in the New Testament are there because the church recognized that they are the inspired work of the Holy Spirit and, therefore, what they say about Jesus is the truth.
Originally posted by djohnsto77
FlyersFan, what you say is true but it's mainly just differences of interpretation rather than fact. While Catholics, Protestants and Orthodox faiths may have different interpretations of the scripture, it's for the most part the same scripture. My point is the twisting of facts and rewriting of the Bible done by the media and popular culture.
Originally posted by saint4God
I have a historical document that says one thing, and someone else has no factual documentation contrary. Hm...I wonder which one I'm going to choose...
Why is the Bible no defense? Eveyone here seems to be quick to quote works of stated fiction as the absolute truth. To that I say, "Your works of clearly stated fiction are no defense. Thow out your the argument entirely."
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Does the BIBLE ever speak of the relationship between Jesus and Mary M. Of course, however saint it does not mention ALL. You know that for it has been interpreted and changed for over 2000 years. If you can show me a passage where it specifically says Jesus and Mary M. were not ever married I will agree with you. However, I do not think you will find such passage.
Originally posted by djohnsto77
I saw it, but, unless I missed something, we don't really know who was in the car trying to run them over, it could have been the satanists or whatever they are. There were those freaky women "models" who were on the plane they saw there too...also the nun ditched her clothes just so that she wouldn't stick out like a sore thumb when someone was trying to find and kill them.
Originally posted by djohnsto77
Recently many fictional stories related to Christianity have garnered much interest in popular culture. ...
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....? Secular forces pushing moral relativism over traditional values are certainly involved, but could there be more, a NWO/Illuminati conspiracy possibly backed by an evil force, even involving the antichrist? I think it's possible.
I'd like to see what members think about any aspect of this...thanks!
[edit on 4/23/2005 by djohnsto77]
Originally posted by Jehosephat
flyersfan hijacked this thread
religious themed media outside of the church
he decided to just attack the church instead.
Originally posted by jake1997
So open the bible and ask God to show you first hand
Originally posted by Jehosephat
Flyersfan, Do you have any comments as to why the Books by Dan brown and so popular? or how they affect both believers and non-belivers?
Originally posted by djohnsto77
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Does the BIBLE ever speak of the relationship between Jesus and Mary M. Of course, however saint it does not mention ALL. You know that for it has been interpreted and changed for over 2000 years. If you can show me a passage where it specifically says Jesus and Mary M. were not ever married I will agree with you. However, I do not think you will find such passage.
The Bible doesn't explicitly say that they weren't married no, but that's certainly no proof that they were! If you look at the later writings of the apostles in the New Testament their attitude towards marriage would be hard to understand if Jesus was in fact married.
I believe that there may have a movement in the Catholic Church to minimize the role of Mary M...but not as a wife, as an important apostle. The male-dominated priesthood would have a hard time explaining why no women could be ordained if one of Jesus' closest disciples was a woman.
[edit on 4/28/2005 by djohnsto77]
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
Does the BIBLE ever speak of the relationship between Jesus and Mary M.
Of course, however saint it does not mention ALL.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
You know that for it has been interpreted and changed for over 2000 years.
Originally posted by madmanacrosswater
If you can show me a passage where it specifically says Jesus and Mary M. were not ever married I will agree with you. However, I do not think you will find such passage.
I don't know you're not from the Venus, therefore you probably are? Logic my friend, logic. One can either study what is written or study that which is not written, but those who study what is not written is just chasing their tail.