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Reflect on your question and relate same to what you know about the war in Heaven. The consensus is that God's angels rebelled against him, and we know this from the apocryphal book of Enoch first and foremost, nowhere else. Therefore, God's angels exercised freewill which they obviously had in Heaven, and since they were in Heaven, that paradise was not what they found rewarding, so if they did not why should People who have walked this earth with a sin the fallen angels did not originally possess, while committing countless sins on earth suddenly find themselves at death, devoid of all but God-filled thoughts and on a level that plays second fiddle to his angels?
Originally posted by Croat56... Its eternal paradise, why start doing bad things then? Seems kind of idiotic to do something that will take you out of eternal paradise and then be sent to eternal damnation.
the Lord's Prayer
Our Father, who art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
and the power,
and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.
Originally posted by HIFIGUY
In the Lords prayer, it speaks of " On Earth as it is in Heaven ". When we pass, do we have free will in Heaven? And if so, how possible it it for someone to make serious problems in heaven that might otherwise corrupt a supposedly perfect system.
Is it possible that our life here on earth serves as the qualifier that that will not allow evil to happen in heaven? That our actions here in life serve as the pre-requisite to entering eternal life and not an eternal void as an alternative. Peace
Originally posted by dbrandtThe pre-requisite to entering heaven is accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. Our works have nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by DragonsDemesne
Originally posted by dbrandtThe pre-requisite to entering heaven is accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. Our works have nothing to do with it.
I've never understood religions that claim this. According to that belief, if I accept Jesus Christ as my Savior, and then go around killing, raping, stealing and lying, I would still go to Heaven. Maybe some people believe that, but I don't.
You say this as though you have proof to this being the truth.
Originally posted by dbrandtThe pre-requisite to entering heaven is accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. Our works have nothing to do with it.
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
You say this as though you have proof to this being the truth.
Originally posted by dbrandtThe pre-requisite to entering heaven is accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. Our works have nothing to do with it.
The pre-requisite to entering heaven is accepting Jesus Christ as Savior. Our works have nothing to do with it.
So that person who continues to kill, rape, steal and lie did not really come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. And as such are not saved and still face eternity in hell.
God will not be fooled when eternity begins. He knows if someone meant it when they accepted Christ and if they didn't.
And you join the queue of the millions upon millions I previously noted, who also held to their multiple gods conviction.
Originally posted by dbrandtI already know it is true. That is what each person must decide.
First, about the above two statements; they are independent of each other. Next, I do deny him yes, and finally; the truth about God can be known because he gave it to each of us, he did not give it to joe priest or reverend bob only, or drop it into 995 pages for a printing press to disseminate. When if ever you come to understand this, you will jump the queue of the milions upon millions.
And you are certainly free to say He's the Savior or you're certainly free to deny Him. But the argument that truth can't be known about God is a lie.
A rhetorical question, hardly the question of my lifetime though. he is a long dead man, a man who fought against and killed his own people, a man who was aggrandized decades later in fables, a man who if any of the words in the fables are in fact attributable to him, had more than a few aspirations to fulfill the Jewish prophecy of the messiah who would free their nation once and for all from their enemies.
This is the question of everyone's lifetime "Who do YOU say Jesus is?