Passover. Is it christian or jewish?

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posted on Apr, 22 2005 @ 06:45 PM
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If you ask about Passover, most people will tell you that it is the time set aside to commemorate the final plague in Egypt, and the Exodus itself. Read Exodus chapter 12 to see the first Passover.

Passover means what it says. To Passover, to spare, exempt, pass through
Passover is indeed a Jewish holiday (Holy Day), and ......
home.nc.rr.com...

I wrote that peice for christians. It is a sub study of the Babyone-Rome study.
It is meant to show that scripture shows the christian that Passover is christian, not easter.




posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 12:42 AM
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Thank you Jake .....
Yes and the Passover is this weekend.......for the Jews who await the Messiah......

But for Christians the Passover came......it was Christ........
in remembrance of that day in the .....Greek/Russian/Romanian/Ethiopian/Egyptian/etc...Orthodox Church celebrating next week.....Pascha(Easter) .....The Resurrection and celebration of our Lord Jesus Christ...

Easter Dating Method.....pretty interesting how Pascha is calculated....
By Ronald W. Mallen
Updated April 2002
www.assa.org.au...
Today all over the World....Orthodox celebrate Lazarus saturday....and on Sunday(Tomorrow)is Palm Sunday....Entry of our Lord Jesus Christ into Jerusalem....
Glory be to God...
helen....



posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 03:07 AM
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Disagree totally Helen,

The passover is every day...all year long. Christians celebrate the passover in the form of Jesus the Christ for remission of sins. His blood shed for His people. This Lamb...this Passover Lamb....is with us day and night . It is not only for Jews. This knowlege is known from the early days of the passover feast unto today among His people and the knowlege of what it means to be covered by His blood. We do not put up the wall of seperation..Helen..the veil...this wall does not exist anymore. This means that those covered by His blood are Jews...they are Isreal..all of them from every kindred and tounge on the face of the earth.

Thanks Orangetom



posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 03:26 AM
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Im not one to change the calendar around, all I know is that the bible says Christ was slain on the eve of the Jewsh Passover....ie .. Nissan 14.
The same day God commanded in Exodus to slay the lamb for Passover.

Its interesting that Christ rose on the 17th..

The same day that the ark hit dry ground sticking up out of the water.

Like you said tho... Jesus Christ is our passover lamb.



posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
Disagree totally Helen,

The passover is every day...all year long. Christians celebrate the passover in the form of Jesus the Christ for remission of sins. His blood shed for His people. This Lamb...this Passover Lamb....is with us day and night . It is not only for Jews. This knowlege is known from the early days of the passover feast unto today among His people and the knowlege of what it means to be covered by His blood. We do not put up the wall of seperation..Helen..the veil...this wall does not exist anymore. This means that those covered by His blood are Jews...they are Isreal..all of them from every kindred and tounge on the face of the earth.

Thanks Orangetom

Disagree ....because the Resurrection will come everyday in the EIGHTH age....after Judgement DAY....
There's a calender that actually has days been the eighth day of the future everyday...signyfing that the Resurrection occurs every day.........being the LORDS day........
Sunday..KIRIAKI MERA....meaning LORDS DAY......which will come everyday ....of course of that day we dont know....
helen....



posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 07:05 AM
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Agree on this.

God said in Exodus that we will keep Passover forever.
Today, Nissan 14, is the day the lamb was killed in egypt, and the Day Christ was killed for us.

The apostles kept the passover.
The RCC changed to Easter...the holiday of the babylonian goddess Astarte..and dropped passover.

I just wanted everyone to know that THIS is the actual time that Christ was crucified.


It is now 08:14 AM EST in the USA.
It is now 14:14 (2:00) PM in Jerusalem.
By now the Lord was on the cross
By now the darkness spread over the land
I believe 3PM is the hour of death. 45 minutes from now



posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 10:12 PM
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Today being the 24th of April....Julian calendar.....is PALM SUNDAY..


QUOTE////ON PALM SUNDAY

In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

Today the Maker of the Universe enters Jerusalem.
He is seated not on a white stallion with a 100,000 strong army to escort Him like the King of Babylon.
He is seated on a young ass, the lowest of creatures, and escorted by street children like the King of Jerusalem.
For He is not the King of Babylon, the King of War and Power and Pride and Riches, He is the King of Jerusalem, the King of Peace and Humility.
And this is only right, for the name 'Jerusalem' means 'the City of Peace'; Christ alone, the King of Peace, is therefore its rightful King.

Children greet Him with palms, the symbols of victory, and they cry 'Hosanna', meaning 'Save, we pray'.
Their cry and their deed are greater than they know, for in their innocence they speak and do truth, for Christ alone saves us, if we pray to Him; and the palm branches are indeed tokens of victory, for Victory comes through the Tree of the Cross.

www.orthodoxengland.btinternet.co.uk...

Jake...the Passover is a Jewish Feast.......they AWAIT the Messiah who is and came ...Lord Jesus Christ...
On this day Jesus Christ ......Saint Mathew.chapter 26 verse 2
'''Ye know that after two days is the feast of the Passover,and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.........'''
So Christ did for the last time celebrate the Passover .....
Mathew,18...''Go into the city to such aman, and say unto him,The master saith,My time is at hand;I will keep the Passover at my house with my disciples..............''
Mathew,26.....''And as they were eating,Jesus took bread, and blessed it,and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said,Take, eat;this is my body.
Mathew,27....''And He took the cup,and gave thanks, and gave it to them,saying,Drink ye all of it;
Mathew 28....'''For this is my blood of the NEW TESTAMENT(New Passover),Which is shed for many for the remission of sins....

That day was His last day to celebrate the Passover......after His resurrection,
Kiriaki mera.....which is Lord's Day(Sunday) became the Sabbath....
Pascha......comes once a year......
BUT....every Sunday is celebrated as the Resurrection of Christ....the Lords Day....
helen.....



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 08:13 AM
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Helen,

Those priests that you trust with your soul have lied to you. Look at what you said.

Palm sunday is next week?

Lets get this straight

Palm sunday is when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey
Passover came a week later

Lets go back to mat21

Mat 21:1 Now when they drew near to Jerusalem and came to Bethphage, to the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples,
Mat 21:2 saying to them, "Go into the village in front of you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Untie them and bring them to me.
Mat 21:3 If anyone says anything to you, you shall say, 'The Lord needs them,' and he will send them at once."
Mat 21:4 This took place to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet, saying,
Mat 21:5 "Say to the daughter of Zion, 'Behold, your king is coming to you, humble, and mounted on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.'"
Mat 21:6 The disciples went and did as Jesus had directed them.
Mat 21:7 They brought the donkey and the colt and put on them their cloaks, and he sat on them.
Mat 21:8 Most of the crowd spread their cloaks on the road, and others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road.
Mat 21:9 And the crowds that went before him and that followed him were shouting, "Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord! Hosanna in the highest!"


Ok, now that was a week before Passover. The 8th of Nisan.

Ok, lets fast forward to Chapter 26

Mat 26:2 "You know that after two days the Passover is coming, and the Son of Man will be delivered up to be crucified."
Mat 26:3 Then the chief priests and the elders of the people gathered in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas,
Mat 26:4 and plotted together in order to arrest Jesus by stealth and kill him.
Mat 26:5 But they said, "Not during the feast, lest there be an uproar among the people."


Look at that! When WONT they arrest Jesus? On the Passover feast. When is that? The 15th

When is the current time? 13th
Now remember, the jewish day changes at 6 PM. This is the afternoon of the 13th.

Keep reading chapter 26. THIS IS THE NIGHT of the Last Supper. The 13-14th.
That same night

Mat 26:14 Then one of the twelve, whose name was Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests
Mat 26:15 and said, "What will you give me if I deliver him over to you?" And they paid him thirty pieces of silver.

Judas betrayed Jesus.

Mat 26:26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is my body."

This is the last supper, and NOT the passover feast. This is the night Jesus would be betrayed, scourged, and nailed to the cross. All BEFORE the 15th.

Mat 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, "Drink of it, all of you,
Mat 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Mat 26:29 I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom."

See that?!
Jesus himself says that he will not drink again until when?

I dont think I need to read the rest to you. You can do that yourself.
Palm sunday was a week ago in chapter 21. Passover is today.

What this also shows is what we already know. Jesus Christ is our passover lamb.
The original passover was a prophetic feast pointing to this event, just as the feast of the harvest and the temple laver pointed to pentecost, and the feast of the first fruits pointed to Jesus's resurrection as the frist fruits of the dead.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 09:23 AM
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Jake no priest has lied to me....

PALM sunday was today here in Australia.....well, not just here all over the world Orthodoxy...

Jake.......today for many Jewish people is the PASSOVER...
The reason they celebrate the PASSOVER is because they await the Messiah.....
do you agree?
Now if you are a Christian......then the Messiah has come.....Jesus Christ was that Messiah .
We dont celebrate the Passover because Christ is the Passover....He came ...
The Bread is RISEN......according to that Christ ROSE from the dead....It is His body ......
Jake I did read.......
quote//
For the celebration of Easter,
the Orthodox Churches faithfully observe the precepts of the First Nicene Council (325 A.D.),
which orders that Easter be observed on the first Sunday after the vernal equinox. ******
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QUOTE///This accurate procedure applies to Orthodox churches, which always base their calculations on the Julian calendar and the "19 PFM dates" table. It applies from the year 1054 A.D., and takes no account whatsoever of the changes resulting from the introduction of the Gregorian calendar in 1582.
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www.assa.org.au...
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Another requirement was that Easter be celebrated always after the Jewish Passover, since the Passover was the prophecy of the feast of Easter, and the prophecy must logically precede its fulfillment.
Although the western Churches also use the same principle,
the manner of calculating months was performed differently,
and the resulting dates were not accordance with the dates of the Eastern Church; furthermore,
the western calculation often ended up on a date occurring before the Passover of the Jews.
The result of this is that in some years the Orthodox Easter will be the same or at a later date than the western.
Thou who art the Lord of all and God the Creator,
Thou to whom suffering is unknown, didst humble Thyself and unite Thyself with Thy creation (which undergoes suffering),
and as the Passover (as the Paschal Lamb that was slain),
Thou hast offered Thyself to those for whom Thou willed to die, saying, `Eat of My Body, and be established in faith.'

www.creationism.org...

also.....take, eat; this is My body."
And He took a cup,
and when He had given thanks He gave it to them, saying,
"Drink of it, all of you; for this is My blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins....
And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives (Matt. 26:17-20; 26-28, 30).
This Eucharistic Supper and the Lord's commandments concerning it were held sacred by the Apostles; for when they met together,
they spent the time in prayer,
in the singing of sacred hymns,
and the breaking of bread in memory of Christ.
That is,
they celebrated the Holy Eucharist.
This custom became the cornerstone of the new Christian community,
and is witnessed to by St. Paul in his first letter to the Corinthians: I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when He was betrayed took bread,
and when He had given thanks.
He broke it,
and said,
"This is My body which is broken for you.
Do this in remembrance of Me."
In the same way also the cup,
after supper,
saying,
"This cup is the new covenant in My blood.
Do this,
as often as you drink it,
in remembrance of Me" (I Cor. 11:23-25).

helen.....

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[edit on 4/24/2005 by helen670]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 11:27 AM
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Helen

Dont change the subject and quote more pagan lies.

Lets go back to your last post where you said Palm sunday was today.
You quoted the bible , but did not quote all. I finished it.

Christ was in Jerusalem. The passover was yet two days away. The bible says they went and got a place to do the passover.
We can see, that after the meal, Judas betrayed Jesus. Jesus was on the cross within 24 hrs.
All of this happened before the JEWISH PASSOVER. Jesus Christ is the passover lamb.

The followers of God celebrate passover because God told them to. Are you a follower of God? Or do you pray to the sex goddess as a mediator and Queen?
That is the very reason that the jews got taken to Babylon. Praying to Astarte/Ishtar/Isis/Semerimis/Aphrodite/Venus/Madonna/Mary.

I have proven you wrong with the above scripture. Jesus' own words. Now there is no need to continue to show you the error.
Everyone agrees that the pagan councils changed Gods word. For this, they will burn.

Listen close. I DONT CARE WHAT THE APOSTATE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS.
Did you hear that?
Quote scripture, or your words have no weight.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 11:41 AM
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Jake........
Tel me, do you beleive that Christ is the SAVIOUR of whom the prophets of the Old Testament prophesied of?

helen...



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 11:56 AM
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I know he is.

If you looked at that link I posted up top, you would know what I believe.

Abraham saw Christ, and was glad.

Christ was a jew, he came for the jews....the jews of his day rejected him...but not abraham, nor the prophets.
Abraham saw Jesus' day and was glad.
Abraham was a christian.

What is a christian?
Someone who believes in Christ

Chrisianity is Jewish , Israel was meant to be christian...but they rejected and went their own way.

I have tried to help you, but you would rather believe the pagan men who changed or ignored Gods word in the bible. Thats on you. But you could take your non-christian doctrine to a new thread if you like.

You were told.

Mat 7:18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'


The catholic church has rotten fruit. 100's of millions in the inquisition.
Crusades
Anti-semitism
Stood idle during ww2
Says jews and muslims dont need christ.
The popes are false prophets

If you wont admit to any of that, and wont admit that your post about Palm sunday and passover was wrong...then I cant continue talking to you.
Why?
Because whats the point in telling you if you never own up to the truth



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 01:46 PM
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Just for the Record..I dont celebrate the Passover as a day..nor the Sabbath..as a day..my Passover..and Sabbath are everyday...I praise my Lord and Savior every day for covering me with His Blood.

Furthermore..I dont celebrate Christmas, Easter, Halloween or even a birthday. All days are my Lords days. When I realized what these traditions of men are ... contrasted with who my Lord is...I gave all that up...What a blessing not to be on that tredmill anymore.

Thanks Orangetom



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 08:19 PM
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In remembrance we celebrate our Birthdays......

Why is it so difficult to celebrate the destruction of SIN......

Jake.....you have not understood a thing I have said......

Firstly, Jesus Christ Himself established the CHURCH..........and many times there are examples of what the Church is......
Quote/That thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the Church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the Truth (I Tim. 3:15). Christ as a Son over His own house, Whose house are we (Heb 3:6).

AND//The Apostle Paul, comparing the life of the Church of Christ with a marriage, or with the relationship between man and wife, concludes his thoughts with these words: This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the Church (Eph. 5:32).

also.....The Church of Christ received its existence with the coming to earth of the Son of God, when the fulness of the time was come (Gal. 4:4), and with His bringing of salvation to the world.

more///Being "the body of Christ," the Church increaseth with the increase of God (Col. 2:19).
Comparing the Church with a building, the Apostle teaches that its building is not completed, it continues: All the building fitly framed together groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord (Eph. 2:21).
This growth is not only in the sense of the visible, quantitative increase of the Church on earth; in even greater degree, this is a spiritual growth, the perfection of the saints, the filling up of the heavenly-earthly world through sanctity.
Through the Church is accomplished the dispensation of the fulness of times foreordained by the Father, so that He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth (Eph. 1:10).

So Jake......your telling me that Christ did not choose the Apostles?
Did not appoint them all in positions of the Church?
quote/The Saviour, in giving authority to the Apostles before His Ascension, told them very clearly that He Himself would not cease to be the invisible Shepherd and Pilot of the Church.
I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world (every day constantly and inseparably; Matt. 28:20).
The Saviour taught that He,
as the Good Shepherd,
had to bring in also those sheep who were not of this fold,
so that there might be one flock and One Shepherd (John 10:16).
All power is given unto Me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations (Matt. 28:18-19).

Christ is the eternal High-Priest of His Church,
as the Apostle Paul explains in the Epistle to the Hebrews.
The Old Testament Chief Priests were many,
because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death.
But this one,
because He continueth forever,
bath an unchangeable priesthood Wherefore He is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by Him, seeing He ever liveth to make intercession for them (Heb. 7:23-25).

Depicting the Church in parables,
the Saviour speaks of one flock,
of one sheepfold,
of one grapevine,
of one foundation stone of the Church.
He gave a single teaching,
a single baptism,
and a single communion.
The unity of the faithful in Christ comprised the subject of His High-Priestly Prayer before His sufferings on the Cross; the Lord prayed that they all may be one (John 17:21).
The Lord Jesus Christ performed the work of His earthly ministry and death on the Cross; Christ loved the Church... that He might present it to Himself a glorious Church,
not having spot,
or wrinkle, or any such thing: but that it should be holy and without blemish (Eph. 5:25-27)
The very body of the Church is holy: If the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root be holy, so are the branches (Rom. 11: 16).
Those who believe in Christ are "temples of God, temples of the Holy Spirit" (I Cor. 3:16; 6:19).

Jake POPE means Father in Latin........and has nothing to do with QUOTE//You Said.......
''The popes are false prophets''
You cannot say that..........if that is an opinion..then I guesss you can....
Christ established the Church .....which is heaven on earth.
Paradise .........lost because of SIN .......paradise being the first church God established....
If you cannot understand any of this ,then Im sorry too..
helen.....



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 08:28 PM
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I dont celebrate birthdays..any of them.
I celebrate Jesus the Christ for remission of sins every day ...not just once a week.

I dont celebrate christmas either..nor easter, nor halloween etc..

All days are my Lord's day

Call no man father but thy Father which is in heaven.
Hmmmm?? Pope means Father in latin??

thanks,
Orangetom



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 06:34 AM
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The idea of the thread and the article is not to say you need to do this, but to simply show that Passover is Christian.



posted on Apr, 26 2005 @ 07:20 AM
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Amen Amen Amen.

Thanks ,
Orangetom



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 02:02 PM
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Praise God for brothers and sisters who know Christ as the passover lamb



posted on Jun, 12 2005 @ 09:07 PM
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I have actaully participated in a passover feast and was suprised how everyhting in it scream to me "Christ" and how he was represented in everything. Too many Jews look back to the time of Moses, and not forward to the time of The Christ



posted on Jun, 13 2005 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by Jehosephat
I have actaully participated in a passover feast and was suprised how everyhting in it scream to me "Christ" and how he was represented in everything. Too many Jews look back to the time of Moses, and not forward to the time of The Christ


God gave us the 7 feasts for a reason. God knows how our minds work and He knows how we will benifit from a hands on example, ... a picture....of prophecy.
ALL of the feasts are prophetic.
Doing the passover this year instead of the pagan easter was a huge blessing in my house.





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