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Topic started on 22-4-2005 @ 02:13 PM by EastCoastKid
Peak oil is reality. Demand is growing and supplies are dwindling. Our government refuses to make this known widescale. In not making the general public aware of this, and not planning for the eventuality of it, one not-so-fine day in the not-so-distant future we will all be left to fend for ourselves as oil and gas become near impossible to acquire. It's time to start thinking about ways to survive that.

How many of you out there live in the city? How many in the country? How many rent? How many own property/homes?

Let's say 2020 is our cut-off date (meaning: oil and gas is way too rare and expensive for the majority of Americans to get), what will you have done to prepare?

Here's a project for all of us.. What can we do now to be ready for that awful day? Tell us what you can do, start implementing those plans now and share with ATS your progress.

Here are a few things I have thought about and am trying to do now:

1. Stockpile water, MRE's, canned goods, medicines/first aid supplies & everything related

2. Looking into growing my own foods (canning would be excellent).

3. stockpile ammo for firearms, parts & cleaning supplies. One day we may find ourselves without law enforcement and may have to defend against looters & criminals.

4. Live as close to the job as possible

5. Get a bike, a couple horses, livestock, etc.

These are just a few of the things to be done. There are many others. What are you gonna do?

Here's an article on the end of oil...


The End of Oil Is Closer Than You Think
By John Vidal
The Guardian UK

Thursday 21 April 2005

Oil production could peak next year, reports John Vidal. Just kiss your lifestyle goodbye.
The one thing that international bankers don't want to hear is that the second Great Depression may be round the corner. But last week, a group of ultra-conservative Swiss financiers asked a retired English petroleum geologist living in Ireland to tell them about the beginning of the end of the oil age.

They called Colin Campbell, who helped to found the London-based Oil Depletion Analysis Centre because he is an industry man through and through, has no financial agenda and has spent most of a lifetime on the front line of oil exploration on three continents. He was chief geologist for Amoco, a vice-president of Fina, and has worked for BP, Texaco, Shell, ChevronTexaco and Exxon in a dozen different countries.

"Don't worry about oil running out; it won't for very many years," the Oxford PhD told the bankers in a message that he will repeat to businessmen, academics and investment analysts at a conference in Edinburgh next week. "The issue is the long downward slope that opens on the other side of peak production. Oil and gas dominate our lives, and their decline will change the world in radical and unpredictable ways," he says.
www.truthout.org...



reply posted on 22-4-2005 @ 03:04 PM by EastCoastKid
Originally posted by mrmulder
Found an interesting article contradicting what you found East Coast Kid. It states that a strange phenomenon shows abundance of possible crude oil in earth’s crust replenishing the drawn out reserves.
Click Here for the full story.


Thanks for the link mm. I'll checkit out. One thing is for sure. No one seems to be able to agree, for whatever reasons.

You have to admit, though, the PNACers & American big oil (companies) sure are acting like we're running out.



reply posted on 23-4-2005 @ 08:08 PM by Psychoses
I would think that the theory of Peak Oil is pretty much common sense. As our economy is built on consumption, the masses must consume in order to generate profits for the corporations like oil companies.

To increase their profits, we must consume more oil/petroleum products. I don't think that our oil supplies are unlimited, so eventually we will either run out, or be incapable of supplying enough for demand.

Just take the number of cars for example,

From link

If an alien were to land on earth, the first thing he would notice about the "green planet"is the amount of cars there are on the streets. He would see that they come in all shapes and sizes, colors and are of many different brands. He would attempts to count the cars, but would get lost quickly because no brain can comprehend a number so large. In 1900 there were only 4,192 passenger cars built in the US (the only country to be manufacturing cars). There were no buses or trucks. By 1985 there were 109 million cars in existence. Today, with dozens of countries participating in the creation of automobiles, that number is six times larger.

It is estimated that there are approximately 600 million motor vehicles being driven on the streets of earth, the alien would be dumbfounded with this number. The biggest manufacturers are Japan, producing 8,056,000 cars in 1998, the US, with 5,554,000, and Germany with 5,348,000. With passing time, these numbers experience a rapid growth. For example, in 1960 Japan produced 185,000 cars, but by the end of the 1990s it was producing nearly 10 million a year. It is believed that at this growth rate, the number of cars on earth will double within the next 30 years. In this time scientists predict that traffic congestion will become 10 times worse than it is today. If in 2001 it is difficult to cross a major street without having to wait five minutes for the traffic to stop, how long will one have to wait in 2050?

Today the alien will notice that with such a large number of cars and people on earth, there are approximately ten people per car. But what will happen when he returns for a second trip in a hundred years? Will there be as many cars as people, or maybe by that time we'll have discovered a new method of transportation that is much more efficient and eco-friendly than the car? Only time can tell.

Marina Stasenko -- 2001

Source



In the last 20 years the nuber of cars has increased sixfold! At this rate, oil will run out a lot sooner than people think.

When the oil does run out, or becomes too expensive that is when we will start to run into problems. Our whole society is based on oil consumption, so take oil out of the equation and all you have left is chaos.


reply posted on 24-4-2005 @ 02:57 PM by Arek
Here's some info about the Canadian tar sands.
www.fromthewilderness.com...

I still don't think people have grasped the concept of what peak oil really means for the way our current civalization is run.


reply posted on 24-4-2005 @ 09:55 PM by iluvhonda
Originally posted by mbkennel
It's called a "motorcycle". There's another form called a "scooter".



or a honda
i get 40 mpg (98 honda civic HX, which uses a thing called
Vtec-e)
to bad im swaping that motor out, but ill still get around 35 mpg with the new motor, and making over 120 hp per liter

and honda also has a newer and even better system known as ivteci which is basically going to revolution the way piston eniges are made
it can run a air/fuel ratio of 67.5 to 1 ( a normally stioch air/fuel is around 14-16 to 1)
here is a video to explain it
world.honda.com...
to bad this engine wont be released in the us for quite awhile

there is always synthetics, i use synthetic motor oil


reply posted on 25-4-2005 @ 06:37 PM by mbkennel
but natural gas will be more available than oil, assuming we are smart enough to butch up about LNG (liquid natural gas) terminals.

There are large reserves in Russia and other places.

It will be very difficult for people who live far out in the suburbs or "exurbs" to commute to work every day.

There will be a significant number of people who will have to rent apartments or, more likely, share many rooms close in the city, and then take buses out to their families and homes on the weekend, or even just once a month. This is what happens today in many 3rd world countries.

In town, all but the wealthiest people will use bicycles, motorcycles, scooters, and plug-in electric vehicles for most everyday commuting if they're not taking public transportation. Many cars and public buses, especially, will be converted to CNG (compressed natural gas). Many of the rest will run on biodiesel/petroleum blends. (diesel is already more efficient than spark ignition gasoline). Diesel is dirtier but since people will be driving significantly less, the air will be just as clean. The electric vehicles will have solar panels on the roof where the climate is sunny.

Food will be inexpensive only if locally produced, like in the 19th century. People in the 'exurbs' will either grow their own or have to walk or drive, at high expense, to itinerant farmer's markets. You'll have to go to the market on the days that the market comes to town, not on whichever day is convenient to a large air-conditioned full time destination.

In town you'll be able to get more food varieties, but still, flying in oranges from Chile or bananas from Ecuador will be a real luxury as opposed to an ordinary thing you can expect at a normal market on average.

There will be very significant hardships, but there doesn't need to be a collapse in civilization if everybody works together. On the other hand, if they believe in stealing and shooting first, then we're screwed. The danger from criminality and vigilantism is much worse than just a petroleum shortage.

Think of the 19th century, but fully electrified.
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