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posted on Apr, 22 2005 @ 01:15 PM
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Alright, next on the BS tour is the bible.

*Mod Edit for religious slur* Amuk

. Sure it is wrong, the stories are stolen from Greek/Roman/Norse mythology, sure it has things that never happened, or can’t due to some little things like reality or science, and of course all the things attributed to god we now know is mother nature(what a bitch she is) and viruses/disease. Sure today we know an earthquake is plate tectonics, but they didn’t know, they thought god was mad and had to sacrifice virgin sheep to make him happy. Sure we know lighting is static electricity on a major scale, and not the wrath of god, but they didn’t. Sure we know a volcano is a natural disaster, not god sneezing or whatever. Sure we know we are round, not center of the universe, not 6,000 years old, but they didn’t. But is it sad people today still think this BS is true? Yes, it is, and that’s why we have people like Penn and Teller, me, scientists, people who’s heads aren’t shoved up their asses, and anyone else not brain dead. (No pun to Terry Schiavo)

Now like in the past, I am using quotes from the doctors, from the idiots, and from the people who fear god smacking them for eating meat on a Friday. I am adding my own smart ass comments and jokes and commentary, along with some of Penn’s, although usually altered into my own words. So, all aboard the BS tour Bus.

Get your bible people, get the “good” book, interactive posting! That’s right, get it. According to sales it is the number one sold book, even though it has never cracked the Amazon 100. Of course, the second most sold book EVER hasn’t either, the book Quotations from Chairman Mao Zhang Tun (spelling? Dang Chinese dictators with funny names) while number ten is Valley of the Dogs, so you can decide if most sold means anything. In this post we will go over how the bible has equal parts fact, history, and pizza.

All you people of faith might as well stop reading now; nothing can teach you the truth. Faith is more blinding then the sun on the brightest day and nothing can compete with it. Sure faith is wrong, but hey, it’s called faith for a reason instead of reality/factual/science. Bible nuts pride themselves on believing things that are wrong, can’t happen, or have been proven to be BS. They think god will bless them, and not the Priest Alter Boy kind of blesses, but the good kind, unless you are part of a rival sect, then you’re still going to hell. If you want history or fact in your bible, you are so screwed, for the bible isn’t fact or history.

Michael Sherber, Publisher of Skeptic Magazine, also known as someone who doesn’t have his head up his ass. He has a PHD, and could go by Doctor Sherber, but he doesn’t. “The more we learn about archeology and history of biblical times the more we realize that most of the stuff in the bible is fiction.” Of course, you have Doctor Paul Myer. He isn’t a doctor, but has a PHD. “The best way to interpret the bible is to use the bible.” What? This falls under the “We are right because we say so; we can prove this by saying we are right because we said so.” But back to Michael. “It’s an article of faith, its part of a religious belief system that really doesn’t fit the way that we think scientifically in the age of science where we are supposed to ask for evidence and challenge beliefs.” Anyways, did you get the good book? Ok, put it down and get the bible and open it to Genesis.
Genesis is the first part of the bible, and this right here has enough BS to choke a bull. Genesis Chapter 1 states that god created Adam AND Eve at the SAME time. Genesis Chapter 2 states the god mad Adam, then Adam got lonely and asked god for a companion, and so god took a rib bone and made Eve. For almost 2000 years people thought men had one less rib bone then women, which is BS. Also this right here is the bible contradicting itself, and you are only on the first two chapters!!! Also, genetics make it impossible; inbreeding would have wiped out the species after the 3rd-4th generation. Idiots say this isn’t wrong, that it is two authors. So, sometimes it’s god, sometimes its man, and sometimes it’s two or more men. Also, it isn’t always real, it is also symbolic in areas that make the bible look bad but real in any case that makes the bible look good. Good way to pick and choose. But you know what? Let’s learn about a real king, someone many worshipped for his greatness before dieing. Elvis Presley died in 1977; there are pictures of him in the morgue dead as a doornail. But people “see” him all the time. Sound familiar? People, who KNEW the King first hand, were friends or family of him who wrote books tell conflicting stories. Sound familiar? Case in point, the Kings favorite chicken dinner is discussed in several books, none of them have the same recipe, NONE! These people knew Elvis, these people were long time friends of Elvis, these people were literate/smart enough to breath in and out without someone telling them to, and yet NONE of them have the same recipe for the same chicken dinner. Sound familiar? Now, fast forward 2,000 years from now and tell me which chicken dinner is the right one. You can’t, can you? Sound familiar? Also, some people even claim Elvis didn’t do any drugs!!! Yep, Elvis didn’t do any drugs……

Now on to the Genesis 6:11-13 part of the BS tour. The ark, complete BS if there ever was. A world flood, not some, but all! Including every mountain on Earth. Of course, not enough water, but hey, don’t let little details like this get in your way. Sure Christians say there is underground water, and there is, but still not enough to cover the entire planet. Yes, there were some major floods, like when a natural dam broke and the level of the Dead Sea rose over 40 feet killing anyone near the Dead Sea, or the one that scientists/historians/people who have their heads out of their ass contribute to Gilgamesh/Noah. Also, not even today do we have a boat big enough to carry 2 of every animal, and the food needed to support them, including animals to kill and feed to carnivores, and all the water animals for salt can’t live in fresh and fresh can’t live in salt, but if all the waters mixed you would have brackish water, something only a few species of fish can actually live in. Then you have the inbreeding again killing everything, but that is science/reality/facts, can’t have that can we? Sure nothing is impossible, only highly improbable, but sorry, unless like 50 ice comets hit the earth and caused a flood, but then that would again be science/reality/facts, not god. Not to mention water, need fresh water or everyone dies of dehydration. Damn, this boat had to be bigger then Texas….. Also, if true, how come all the marsupials are in Australia? (Except Virginia Possum which isn’t in Australia) If Noah was real, you would have every animal on every continent, not some here but not there, only here and no where else, so forth. Now, Gilgamesh/Noah flood is based on a true story. A flood on the Euphrates River about 125 miles south east of Baghdad would flood every spring, but one year due to a 6 day rain storm it flooded more then ever before around 2900 bc. The river rose over 22feet, which made it overflow the levies and a lot of people got killed. One of the survivors was a local king(can’t spell his name, don’t know Sumerian) who “commandeered” (stole is more like it) a boat and loaded it with gold, livestock, and wine, so forth and floated down the river until he reached the Persian Gulf where he ran aground. Thankful to be alive, the Sumerian King made a sacrifice on a hilltop temple. There you go, Gilgamesh/Noah. We have geological/historical evidence to support this; we know the Sumerian King thing happened. Is it any wonder that 6 civilizations in the area have a world flood story? That it is a coincidence that the same place this major killing flood happened 6 stories sprung up about a world flood? See what happens when you use science/reality/facts instead of faith? Well, Elvis didn’t do any drugs…..

To your right on the BS tour we have Exodus 14:22-31. Moses and the Jews. First, only the bible says there were ever ANY Jew slaves in Egypt. Egypt is known for writing, it was one of the first civilizations to do so, and yet not once do they mention a bunch of Jews leaving, or the plagues, or the splitting of the Red Sea, things you think would be written down. So, first strike is no Jew Slaves, there is absolutely NO EVIDENCE of Jewish Slaves. Second, plagues…. Well they happened all the time, no big deal. It would be like saying Forest Fires in the summer is a plague or a hurricane in hurricane season is a plague. Also, again using science/facts/reality, the plagues can be linked to a super volcano going boom! It put up dust in the air, when this fell, it polluted the rivers/seas in the area creating an algae bloom, which can come from red to blue to green to even neon purple. So river ran red. Now, being polluted, frogs leave the river because frogs need clean water. But where do they go? No water, they head for land, and so Egypt is overrun by frogs. Third plague is lice, which in those days was not uncommon. You were more likely to have lice then to not have lice, so not a plague, but normal life. Next are the insects, with all these dead frogs due to no clean water, no wonder insects showed up, it was a feeding frenzy, a literal buffet for insects. So again not a plague, but science/reality/facts. Next is pestilence on live stock, this again is the work of a previous plague, like the water becoming polluted causing frogs to leave who die who bring the insects, the insects bring pestilence to livestock, so again no plague, just science/reality/facts. Sixth plague is boils, no known as Small Pox. With such a diseased climate with all the dead rotting corpses of frogs, fish, and livestock, and that Small Pox outbreaks were common until the Small Pox Vaccine, this is no plague, but science/reality/facts. Seventh one is a storm, wtf? So whenever it rains it is god’s wrath? Number 8 is locust, something that STILL HAPPENS TODAY! Why we created pesticide to kill the pests that eat crops. So why is it a pest today but a wrath of god them? Next is darkness for three days, well, when Krakatoa blew it created night in Australia, New Zealand, and surrounding area for days! So I guess that was god to huh? Or maybe science/reality/facts weren’t around then to explain science/reality/facts. The last one is just BS; god kills babies, nice god. Also, Moses splits the Red Sea and the Jews dance merrily threw the split water. Just remember, Elvis didn’t do any drugs!

Now the Jews are free and wonder the desert for 40 years, or not. No proof of anything like this. Of course, you need Jew Slaves to have them wonder for 40 years, but since there were no Jew Slaves, this didn’t happen. Then no evidence anyone named Moses existed who did this. Sure there was probably someone named Moses, people today are still named Moses, but anyone who did this? Nope. Now, back to the splitting of the Red Sea. Well, it turns out people are stupid and didn’t translate it right. They crossed the Reed Sea, not Red Sea. The Reed Sea was a huge marsh that went for miles and miles. Now, crossing this would suck with people, wagons, whatever. But again science/reality/facts come into play with volcanoes/earthquakes. We just recently experienced a wave created by an earthquake that killed a bunch of people. Well, a wave like this does something strange to the coast/beach area. When a wave like this is coming in the water recedes into the ocean, leavening dry land where before there was 10-15 feet of water. So with the volcano/earthquake causing the “plagues” it also did the same thing as other tsunamis, it receded the water, and as the Jews crossed it was a low water level in the marsh, and as the Egyptian soldiers followed, the tsunami came. Science/reality/facts explain away BS again, well; it would if there were any Jew Slaves to begin with, which there weren’t. So, how come the part where god slaughters the kids/babies of Egypt instead of smacking the pharaoh isn’t mentioned in church, or in any kids bible pop up books? Some loving god to go and slaughter the innocent while letting the one who supposedly did the crime go. Except there were no Jew Slaves. Elvis didn’t do any drugs.

Now, to the left of the BS tour bus you have the New Testament, any gospel will do. First, all written decades if not centuries after Jesus died. Second, some are left out for giving women power, explaining things, and for letting you know Mary wasn’t a virgin, she and her HUSBAND had several kids already, and 2 of them were the brothers of Jesus. But a bunch of child rapists got together and voted on which books to include in the bible and which ones not to. Hmmm, I thought this was god’s book, yet man decided what was in it? Christians say the bible isn’t edited, but it OBVIOULSY IS! They even admit that a bunch of old child rapists got together and decided which of god’s words would make it in the bible. Even more strange the first hand accounts/books written closer to the time of Jesus were thrown out while ones written centuries afterwards were included. Ok, first, is there a Jesus? Maybe, a man wrote about Jesus a couple decades after Jesus died, and so did others, but all decades/centuries later. But even then, this proves what? I know of a Jesus, he plays poker on the WSOP tour. But Jesus was not the only messiah, there was in fact a “plague” (pun intended) of messiahs, dozens of them, hundreds of them, even thousands of them. In fact a man named Apollonius of Tianna who in the first century was claimed by his followers to have healed the sick, he raised the dead, he was even able to walk through walls, and that he was persecuted for his religious beliefs and crucified by the Romans. Hell, after he died it is said he rose from the dead and went off into heaven. Gee, how come he isn’t in the bible? Actually have proof he existed outside of the bible, not that he is in it because he is a real person and nothing real is in the bible. The sad fact that Monty Python the Life of Brian is more accurate then Mel Gibson’s the Passion of Christ is well, sad. Elvis didn’t do any drugs.

Ok, with the NT BS tour, you got the “miracles” Ahem, I just saw Teller turn water into wine, and one into many, and I guess he is the next messiah, right? Slight of hand people, not miracle. Healing people? Evangelicals do this all the time, it is fake, they use plants, but hey, the devil is in the details. Now Jesus is dead, he comes back to life, right? Well, no proof of this, and of course no way to do this. Even with modern technology it is hard to bring someone back from a state of death. (Declared dead by a medical person) But what do Christians use? Empty tomb, no body in the tomb, had to come back to life and fly off into heaven. Wait, where is this tomb? Show me this empty tomb; I want to see this empty tomb. What? You don’t know where it is, or if one even exists? Elvis didn’t do any drugs.

The Ten Commandments, these are a favorite on the BS tour. The Jews had it, but like everything else, Christians stole it and then said it was “given” to them by god. Now, before the ten commandments you had them, it was called common sense, but most Christians are so ignorant they need the 10C to tell them what is bad and what isn’t. Now the 10C were in the news when a judge fought to keep them in his court house. He lost and they were removed, but poll shows 4 out of every 5 people wanted them to stay, and Candles in the Wind by Sir Elton John is the best selling song of all time. Popular doesn’t make it right, or good. Look at Hitler, he was voted in by the majority, he was popular, same with GWB, Pol-Pot, and the people who lead cults are all popular or they wouldn’t have a following. So again, popular is not always a good thing. Elvis didn’t do any drugs.

Now on the BS tour, hypocrisy and picking what you like and what you don’t. This is what Christians are famous for, they pick whatever rules they like and follow them, but the ones they don’t they act as though they don’t exist. In fact, the passage republicans/Christians use to justify making gays evil baby eating devil worshipping monsters, “If a man also lie with man-kind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them” also has that children who are disruptive are to be stoned to death. Yep, they didn’t have Ritalin; they had rocks bludgeoning kids to death. “And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice, he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, the he die: so shalt thou put evil….” Wow, how come they don’t mention this little rule? What? They don’t like it? Too bad, they are suppose to follow the rules gods gave them, not just some, but all. So, you want more things from the bible? Here we go….

Exodus 21:7 says that it is ok to sell your daughter into SLAVERY!

Exodus 35:2 clearly states anyone working on the Sabbath is to be put to death.

Corinthians 11:14 “Doth not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair it is a shame unto him.” Wait, doesn’t JESUS have long hair? I have never seen Jesus with a buzz cut, he always has long hair in any picture/painting you see.

Corinthians 11:19-24 demands that a man not go near a woman who is on her period. Try explaining that to the judge? “Ma’am, before I approach the bench, are you on your period?”

If you believe that the bible is the word of god, and he is all powerful, YOU MUST FOLLOW HIS RULES! You can’t nitpick at which ones you want to follow and which ones you don’t. You can’t follow the happy shiny people rules but dismiss all the other rules, you have to follow, ALL OF THEM! Elvis didn’t do any drugs.

Now, what you should do is read the bible from cover to cover. Sure it gets old reading about the same thing, god killed these people, god killed those people, god gets bored and kills people, but do it. Not because it is factual, or that it even has a good storyline, the characters are rather bland except for the one killing all the people. But if you read it and learn what it is all about, I believe you will realize the mistakes made and come back to reality/science/facts. Read it because we need more atheists. Elvis didn’t do any drugs.

Now I know Christians are going to do the same old “we right cause we say so, we can prove this by saying we are right because we said so, and since we said so we are right because we said we were right cause we are right because we said so, and since we said so we are right because we said we were right cause we are right because we said so, and since we said so we are right because we said we were right cause we are right because we said so, and since we said so we are right because we said we were right cause we are right because we said so, and since we said so we are right because we said we were right” But like I said at the beginning, all you people with faith are hard to teach cause you have faith, it’s wrong, everything points to it being wrong, but anything versus faith loses for faith is not based on reality, science, or facts, but one’s own inability to learn the truth, by one’s own ignorance, and by one’s own need for a crutch to get through life. Elvis never did any drugs.


[edit on 28-4-2005 by Amuk]




posted on Apr, 22 2005 @ 01:22 PM
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another "atention getter" post :shk:

gezzzzz man, whats your problem??? you waste more time trying to disprove the Bible than trying to understansd why do you have so much need to disprove it ... maybe deep down you are just too affraid that the bible may be true, and you obssess over it ??

i dont get why obsess over sonething you dont believe in ????



posted on Apr, 22 2005 @ 06:42 PM
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Can't believe I forgot to add this.

Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.


Anyways, sorry I might make christians learn the truth. Why do christians act like this? They say they are right, but when someone proves they are wrong, they go off course and start finding loopholes, like you misspelled this word, so I am right because I said so.



posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 04:02 AM
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Some of us in here dont travel to the East ..up seven steps...but we know what it means..

Suggest you find out...

Orangetom


Oh..also ..one does not spend such a huge amount of time to prove that something is false or doesnt exist..to do so doesnt make good nonsense. You should know better. To debate something is false or non existance must have a starting point in existance. Think it through. Try some logic and reason next time or hone your skills better.

Oh..yes...Archeology has proven much of what is in the Bible..you seem wont to overlook this point. Archeology hasnt covered everything in the bible..but it has found many of the ancient sites mentioned. Many still to be found

Orangetom



posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 10:43 AM
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Orangetom? What has arch. proven? It hasn't, so far it has proven the bible wrong. Also, christians say "Well, you can't prove it doesn't exist, so it must exist!" Well, this proves it is BS, so I am right.

[Mod Edit] not one of you has done nothing but "Oh my god! You go to hell!!! How dare you prove me to be full of it! NOO!!!!" Then your heads explode and I laugh.

Gee, god makes Adam AND Eve, then in next chapter he doesn't. Something needs explaining don't it?

Elvis never did any drugs.

[edit on 23-4-2005 by kinglizard]

Edit: Dang it, finally get 50,000 points then lose some for something small like breaking ATS rules. That's a joke, we have rules for a reason and I know most of them. Have a good day Kinglizard.

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posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
Orangetom? What has arch. proven? It hasn't, so far it has proven the bible wrong. Also, christians say "Well, you can't prove it doesn't exist, so it must exist!" Well, this proves it is BS, so I am right.


And once again an amazing piece of "James The Lesser Logic" is brought to the ATS boards.
It's amazing how some people can make everyone aware of their own ignorance in just one or two sentences.
Brilliant.



Edit: Dang it, finally get 50,000 points then lose some for something small like breaking ATS rules. That's a joke, we have rules for a reason and I know most of them. Have a good day Kinglizard.

[edit on 23-4-2005 by James the Lesser]


You know most of them? What a joke.

Every post you write, having anything to do with either religion or christianity, shows nothing but your utter lack of knowledge and understanding when it comes to these subjects.
I guess NOT taking certain parts of the bible literal really doesn't mix well with your crusade against the bible and christianity in general.
It's okay though, you just stick to your very simplistic and unintelligent approach of things, and we'll at least be sure noone takes you serious.



posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by BaastetNoir
i dont get why obsess over sonething you dont believe in ????


That is actually a very interesting question.
My best guess is that James was raped or beat up by people who called themselves christians.
Or he had the wrong kind of "christian parents" (hypocrits) and the wrong kind of childhood.

Another option is that James' passion of trying to disprove christianity in the most unintelligent and unintellectual way possible comes from something far more sinister, demons for example.

Whatever the reason is, as I see it there is no use in talking to James at this point. Many christians and nonchristians tried to talk sense into him, but this thread once again proves that noone succeeded.

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posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 06:44 PM
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Raped? No, was never an alter boy. And not beaten up by christians, I do it because they are wrong.

It would be like a guy sitting on the street saying he is immortal and can't be killed. He waits for a car to hit him, and sooner or later someone won't be paying attention and will hit him. SO I go out and tell him he isn't immortal, cut his arm or punch him in the arm, he says ouch, that hurt, must not be immortal, and so he stops trying to get hit by a car.

I am trying to save people from developing back problems from being bent so far back as to shove their heads up their ass.

AND AGAIN! Nothing that proves the Bible bs/wrong is mentioned, you just try to make up excuses so you don't realize that you have been hoodwinked. You try to find something like "You misspelled this word, you wrong!" so you don't lose your crutch. All I have gotten is "YOU WRONG YOU WRONG YOU WRONG BlablaBlablaBlablaBlablaBlablaBlabla." BOOM! As heads explode from all the blood rushing to it as you go insane because you might have to think because you might(are) wrong.



posted on Apr, 23 2005 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Jakko

Originally posted by BaastetNoir
i dont get why obsess over sonething you dont believe in ????


That is actually a very interesting question.
My best guess is that James was raped or beat up by people who called themselves christians.

Laughable for a 'christian' to be openly speculating on whether someone has been raped as a child. James has some valid points.. I find it kind of tacky for you to turn a serious social issue into a cheap shot to try discredit his argument.


[edit on 23-4-2005 by riley]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by riley
Laughable for a 'christian' to be openly speculating on whether someone has been raped as a child.


Why? Something must have triggered his unconditional and passionate rants against christianity and christians..


James has some valid points.. I find it kind of tacky for you to turn a serious social issue into a cheap shot to try discredit his argument.
[edit on 23-4-2005 by riley]


Maybe you could explain what points were valid, because I can't seem to find them. Calling this a serious social issue is hilarious, allthough maybe James entire ouvre of being the antichrist of ATS can be seen as a serious social issue, but that is probably not what you mean.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by Jakko

Originally posted by riley
Laughable for a 'christian' to be openly speculating on whether someone has been raped as a child.

Why? Something must have triggered his unconditional and passionate rants against christianity and christians..

I guess you've forgotten about the 'judge not lest' thing. Regardless.. perhaps you should have actually adressed his points rather than trying to attack him on a personal level in a kneejerk reaction.

Maybe you could explain what points were valid, because I can't seem to find them.

Actually one point I remember was how the bible condones slavery.. of course no-one has adressed that.

Calling this a serious social issue is hilarious, allthough maybe James entire ouvre of being the antichrist of ATS can be seen as a serious social issue, but that is probably not what you mean.

:shk:
It would be obvious to most that I was talking about child abuse being a serious issue. I brang it up as your willingness to hoar it in a "Nananana- I bet you he's been molested or something :p" veiled comment irritated me as this is meant to be a place for intelligent discourse not a school yard.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by riley
I guess you've forgotten about the 'judge not lest' thing. Regardless.. perhaps you should have actually adressed his points rather than trying to attack him on a personal level in a kneejerk reaction.


I would really like to adres his points, if it wasn't for the fact that I have allready tried to adres his points a lot of times before, and that adressing his points has as much result as talking to a brick wall.
It doesn't matter what you say to James, he will keep on spouting his "CHRISTIANS DON"T WANT TO SEE THE TRUTH" sentiments, so what point in there in adressing his points?



Actually one point I remember was how the bible condones slavery.. of course no-one has adressed that.


The bible condones slavery? Are you talking about the parts where the bible explains even slaves should be treated with respect because we are all equal? That's not condoning slavery.



It would be obvious to most that I was talking about child abuse being a serious issue. I brang it up as your willingness to hoar it in a "Nananana- I bet you he's been molested or something :p" veiled comment irritated me as this is meant to be a place for intelligent discourse not a school yard.


Child abuse IS a serious issue, and I apologise for misunderstanding you like this. My point was not to make jokes about a serious social issue indeed, my point was to truly question why James is acting like he is acting.
Maybe my examples were too harsh, and if I insulted anyone who in some way dealt with such and related social issues I apologise.

I think it's pretty harsh for christians, having to deal with this unintelligent lamer every single day, spouting his anti-christian crap on ATS (even in threads that have nothing at all to do with christianity or religion) , immune to reason and logic and even respectfull discussing.

Example; www.belowtopsecret.com...

James would "achieve" a lot more if he changed his tone and tried to participate in these discussions in a more mature and respectfull way.


[edit on 24-4-2005 by Jakko]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 09:22 AM
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Hmmm. We could wonder why James feels the need to bash the bible. I think I probably know though.

Those of us who aren't Christians and don't believe that the bible is the literal word of "God" see it being used to justify the heinous acts and the intolerance that humans practice on each other. We don't care what delusions you people practice, until you use those delusions as an excuse to infringe upon the freedoms and beliefs of others.

As scientists, some of us think that if you attack the foundation upon which the fallacy is built, you can disprove the fallacy. That may work in the real world, but sorry to say, it doesn't work in the world of religious fantasy.

James, I agree with much of what you post in this thread, but if you keep this up, you will need to clean the blood off of your forehead. :bnghd:

If logic was allowed to overcome emotion and fear, these folks likely wouldn't have been able to be brainwashed in the first place.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 09:38 AM
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Oh dream on ambient sound.
Scientists and logic is something else than mr James the Lesser, you may want to read his posts again.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 10:30 AM
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Archeology has proven the places in the bible exist..or existed..and conditions were as stated in the Word...this seems to excape you in favor of your need for justification of your views.

Once again ..you seem to miss the point while ranting on and on ...your very easy to put on a string..not logical and reasonable..

One does not debate something they believe to be false or not exist. It is illogical....Mr Spock. Only educated Sophistry can get one so dumb. Get a clue..think it through.

By your very long rantings and ravings you give veracity to the very point you are trying to debate...logic 101.

Thanks Orangetom



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Jakko
Oh dream on ambient sound.
Scientists and logic is something else than mr James the Lesser, you may want to read his posts again.


Dreams have nothing to do with it, Jakko. I don't let dreams influence my perception of reality. I don't adopt policy and conduct my behavior based on various superstitions and myths dreamed up (dreams again) by barbarians who lived thousands of years ago. The fact that so many humans seem to be willing to do just that has consistently been the single biggest cause of human suffering and oppression in history.

Uh oh, sorry Jakko.

Hey James! On the BS Bus Tour, are we allowed to talk to the exhibits?



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 12:27 PM
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If you wish AS, they might not talk back though.

Anyways, what am I wrong about? I already told you to get your good book, then put it down and open the bible. In Genesis it says god made Adam AND Eve in the first chapter, but in the second chapter it says god made Adam, then Adam got bored so god made Eve from a rib. THAT IS THE BIBLE PISSING ON ITSELF IN THE FIRST 2 CHAPTERS!

Arch. proves places existed in the bible? I can use a globe to prove Egypt exists now, but arch. proves bible BS. No jew slaves in Egypt, no evidence has EVER been found. All the "plagues" aren't wrath of god, they are normal happenings in those days. Locusts, insects, lice, boils, in those days that was in the other news colum. Today if there is a small pox outbreak we would freak, back then small pox was common, not a plague.

And again running around yelling "Blablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablablabla!" Until all the blood rushes to your head and it explodes isn't an arguement, that is something you do on the playground in the 1st grade. I have valid points, I have read out of the bible the bible pissing on itself, yet nothing.



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Ambient Sound
On the BS Bus Tour, are we allowed to talk to the exhibits?


Just don't tap on the glass..


[edit on 24-4-2005 by riley]



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by James the Lesser
... In Genesis it says god made Adam AND Eve in the first chapter, but in the second chapter it says god made Adam, then Adam got bored so god made Eve from a rib.



By what stretch of logic can you claim this to be a contradiction? The second chapter going into more detail in no way contradicts the first chapter.


Steve



posted on Apr, 24 2005 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by sntx

Originally posted by James the Lesser
... In Genesis it says god made Adam AND Eve in the first chapter, but in the second chapter it says god made Adam, then Adam got bored so god made Eve from a rib.



By what stretch of logic can you claim this to be a contradiction? The second chapter going into more detail in no way contradicts the first chapter.


Steve


Steve with all do respect, many many went before you tried to explain things to James but as you can see so far it has been without result.
Discussing things about christianity with people who think christianity is not the right religion is fine with me, but James method to jump to the most hilarious conclusions, twist things around and misunderstand as much as possible makes me kind of tired.

Ambient sound, you truly misunderstand my entire point.
I am not sure who you are calling barbarians, dreaming up this and that, but if you mean the people who wrote the bible you are conveniently ignoring loads of facts.
If you want to join James the Lesser on his "be as ignorant as possible" tour then that's fine with me, the whole idea of talking about James as someone who is using facts and reason to base his opinion on is hilarious.

What James displays most of all, is a huge misunderstanding of the bible and christianity, and I would be okay with explaining some of the things to him, if it wasn't for the fact that his way of discussing this subject is immature and unrespectfull to say the least.




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