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Originally posted by 00PS
Is there a difference between the words died and killed.
they died in a plane wreck...or they were killed in a plane crash
I don't know. What do you think?
The veterans, including 14 women, were aged 60-70 and had fought for Vietnam's independence against the French and the Americans, he said. They were all from one neighborhood in Hanoi.
Originally posted by Rasputin13
I'm surprised there has been this many responses without someone claiming that the CIA cut the brake lines on the bus or something along those lines.
If no CIA link, then maybe a Reptilian one???
Originally posted by xmotex
Well any mention of Vietnam is poison to the triumphalism of the neo-Fascist US Right. The US lost, but it's an article of faith that the US is invincible, so it ought not to be discussed.
If it must be discussed, it must be framed in the context of rooting out "traitors" (anyone who disagrees with anything the .gov does, from a fascist POV) - "we did not lose in Vietnam, we were subverted by traitors!" The filthy liberals, the enemy within. "We won every battle!" We only lost in Vietnam because the dirty hippies undercut us from within, and because we lacked the "will" to slaughter enough innocents, the courage and perserverence of the Vietnamese people had nothing to do with it.
Much like Hitler rose to power partly by claiming Germany only lost WW1 because it was subverted from within by the Jews. Fascist thinking is remarkably consistent, I'll give them that.
The only difference it that todays fascists deny they are fascists, they call themselves "conservative", despite the fact that their worship of the State and it's military power is directly othogonal to traditional conservatism, which regards the State as a necessary evil whose power must be limited and whose actitivities constantly monitored as a threat to liberty.
[edit on 21-4-2005 by xmotex]