John Titor - No need to worry?

money irrelevant?
Are you joking? Not once did Titor say that time travel will be used for "their survival." In fact Titor himself was using it for personal reasons. And he specifically said that they can't use it to change the past.
Do you really think during a time of civil war, then WW3 (which is a nuclear war) you'll get people to just forget about keeping themselves and their families safe to work on a project, that would normally costs billons (if not more) in labor and materials and take decades of research, and that serves them no purpose at all for free?
I don't think so.
Humans are humans. They will not risk their lives for nothing.

Time travel, as JT said, is being used for rebuilding their world. So it's very important. It's crucial to bring technologies back. Or things that they can't find. If they don't have the knowledge, they come back and bring backs books in computers to know the how-to. Do you know how build a car? Exactly? Others things like that, like electricity, ect... Crucials things.

Risk their lives? How? They are in the army, they risk their lives every day for nothing or so, look in Iraq today.... So don't say they wouldn't risk they're lives for nothing.

And again, who's doing the project!
If it's the gov/military, there's no way they would let that technology into rebel hands.
If it's the rebels, there's no way there's enough of them with that kind of research power, brain power, money, materials, etc. to do all that. They're just regular people. They also have no motive.

They destroyed cities and military bases true. But certainly a great proportions of them, understood that the government were bastards. After all, they are scientists, they're not that dumb... So they left the towns and military complex before the nuclear raindrop began. And all of these resistants were surely living somewhere... And those resistants's cities were not destroyed for sure by the nuclear fire. And Russia surely knows that some cities must be saved because of their technological importance for the post-war for the resistance. So about 2-3 cities were not wiped out because they were surely taken-able by the resistance army. So they could have technologies avaiable.

Please read up on the subject.
You haven't shown that you have read up on the subject, so I'm left to assume that your comment right there is wishful thinking.

If you can't read my link, say it, i'll post the most importants things here.

The Laboratoire européen d’Anticipation Politique Europe 2020 (Unless these people are not as wise as you, they are expert in this domain)
A world crisis declined in 7 sector-based crises
1. Crisis of confidence in the Dollar
2. Crisis of US financial imbalances
3. Oil crisis
4. Crisis of the American leadership
5. Crisis of the Arabo-Muslim world
6. Global governance crisis
7. European governance crisis

€1 for $1,70 in 2007
End of publication of the M3 macro-economic indicator will have as a consequence to lose transparency on the evolution of the amount of Dollars in circulation worldwide.

READ THE LINK!

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
What are you talking about? I have read Titor and that's why I'm asking the question. Who's doing the project? The military/government? Or the rebels?
Since the fighting really doesn't end until 2020, that means that the greatest discovery in human kind that will change the face of the world forever with technology that's 100+ years ahead of it's time, will be discovered in less than 15 years after global devestation and the worldwide decimation of the human race making Titor's story even less believable.

Do you actually know how long it takes to develop time-travel technologies ? Why say 100 + years ahead of it's time ?

Back in the 1930's it was discovered that nuclear fusion could be used to create huge amounts of energy, 15 years later a bomb moved from theory to reality on July 14, 1945..... Just think, it was the German scientist who decided who gets the bomb.

Edward Teller, the "father of the hydrogen bomb." Mr. Teller's wife subsequently arranged for a scholarship fund that enabled Mr. Kaku to go to Harvard University.... We all know what Mr. Kaku, likes to talk theory about. ( I'm not saying Kaku will be, the "father of time travel." ) However the development of time-travel technology may be around the corner waiting for that one important discovery. I do believe we are that close, that is believable.

It is easily perceived in Titor's story who the scientist choose.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
And again, who's doing the project!
If it's the gov/military, there's no way they would let that technology into rebel hands.
If it's the rebels, there's no way there's enough of them with that kind of research power, brain power, money, materials, etc. to do all that. They're just regular people. They also have no motive.

The way you are theorizing does not make much sense..............

You should think in terms of "Rebels" being broken branches of gov/military and regular people. Thinking it would be just regular people is a little far fetched. The "regular people" have family in gov/military... People will be choosing sides. Funding time-travel technology would not be a problem if other countries are involved with the "Rebels."

If America is viewed as the bad guy in the world, who do you think the scientist will choose side with ? Doesn't that make more sense........



[edit on 21-2-2006 by XPhiles]

hehe just to stir things up a bit again...

It takes about a second to develop time travel technology. You spend years developing it, then travel back in time making your life a lot easier, sharing the plans. Therefore, you never spent the years developing it, you just made the decision to do so.

So a good idea is to sit there and really determine to develop the technology. If you don't show up with specs to make it moments later, you aren't the one who develops it.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

money irrelevant?

Generally speaking, Money only has the value faith puts on it. Money *IS* irrelevant, but people would give anything for it, intangible things like time, or years of their lives. It is funny how a concept of illusion can motivate people so much.

Are you joking? Not once did Titor say that time travel will be used for "their survival." In fact Titor himself was using it for personal reasons. And he specifically said that they can't use it to change the past.

Hmm. When you have all the time in the world, quite literally, I see no reason not to make a pit stop whenever you feel like it, even in the most crucial of missions.

Humans are humans. They will not risk their lives for nothing.

Hmm. I'd argue that people constantly risk their lives for nothing. It is only something if you imagine it is. Atheists think those that die for God are dying for nothing. Some Spiritual people think that those that die for money are dying for nothing. Many Americans feel that those that die for political purposes are dying for nothing. Really, there's nothing more worth dying for than nothing, historically speaking... I mean, if we are to take your word for it.

After all, nothing is a subjective term. Some die for love, some for greed, some for selfish reasons such as suicide. Really, it's only something if it's something to you.

And again, who's doing the project!
If it's the gov/military, there's no way they would let that technology into rebel hands.
If it's the rebels, there's no way there's enough of them with that kind of research power, brain power, money, materials, etc. to do all that. They're just regular people. They also have no motive.

You know these rebels how? Is that you, Titor?

Please read up on the subject.
You haven't shown that you have read up on the subject, so I'm left to assume that your comment right there is wishful thinking.

EXAMPLE FIVE: You did not address the link he provided to you and refute it's information. You instead tell him to read up on a topic, and basically address him as if he was ignorant.

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Time travel, as JT said, is being used for rebuilding their world. So it's very important. It's crucial to bring technologies back. Or things that they can't find. If they don't have the knowledge, they come back and bring backs books in computers to know the how-to. Do you know how build a car? Exactly? Others things like that, like electricity, ect... Crucials things.

lol
If you can show me where Titor said all that, then by all means show me.
Also...they have time machines for crying out loud!!!! You're telling me they can build time machines but don't know how a car works!?!?!?

Risk their lives? How? They are in the army, they risk their lives every day for nothing or so, look in Iraq today.... So don't say they wouldn't risk they're lives for nothing.

I'm talking about the hundreds of scientists and researchers that would go out every day while a civil war or nuclear war is being waged that will wipe out half the earth's population all for what?
"Oh hey honey. Instead of getting you and the rest of my family to saftey and worrying about your survivial, I'm going to the base to try and work on a project that will not end the wars and will not bring food and clean water to the table. Have a nice day sweety."

They destroyed cities and military bases true. But certainly a great proportions of them, understood that the government were bastards. After all, they are scientists, they're not that dumb... So they left the towns and military complex before the nuclear raindrop began. And all of these resistants were surely living somewhere... And those resistants's cities were not destroyed for sure by the nuclear fire. And Russia surely knows that some cities must be saved because of their technological importance for the post-war for the resistance. So about 2-3 cities were not wiped out because they were surely taken-able by the resistance army. So they could have technologies avaiable.

Vit = Titor?
How do you know all this?

If you can't read my link, say it, i'll post the most importants things here.

I read the link. It's more baseless speculation that's already been addressed in this thread. What in that link is new?

Also this is a Titor thread. Show how that thread relates to Titor.

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Do you actually know how long it takes to develop time-travel technologies ? Why say 100 + years ahead of it's time ?

If we started today to really reseach time travel technology, it's going to take decades before it's close to being usable. That's just reality. The technology just isn't here yet. But if you add a civil war, nuclear war, natural disasters ect. Global devestation. Billions dead and/or dying. It's going to take well over 100 years before that technology becomes available.

The way you are theorizing does not make much sense..............

You should think in terms of "Rebels" being broken branches of gov/military and regular people. Thinking it would be just regular people is a little far fetched. The "regular people" have family in gov/military... People will be choosing sides. Funding time-travel technology would not be a problem if other countries are involved with the "Rebels."

If America is viewed as the bad guy in the world, who do you think the scientist will choose side with ? Doesn't that make more sense........

1. Why would they be worried about time travel when there are much more pressing needs. Such as a) surviving and b) taking back your country
2. I'm basing my view of the "rebels" on what Titor said. If you can show me otherwise, I'd like to see it.

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You know these rebels how? Is that you, Titor?

I know they're a sick sadistic cultish type of people...

(As far as how wonderfull your people are in the time after the war I'm very happy for you. Maybe they succeded in wiping out the RIGHT 3billion people.)

JT: Yes, we did.

JT: I watched hundreds of people get shot, burn and bleed to death

So these rebels:
Enjoy killing
Live in the country
Umm...and enjoy killing

What's their motive for time travel? To kill more people?
Where did the machinary, manpower, and money come from to not only research, but also to build the time machines?


Also, all three of you didn't answer my question.
Is it a military project or rebel project?

You did not address the link he provided to you and refute it's information. You instead tell him to read up on a topic, and basically address him as if he was ignorant.

Tell me what in that link hasn't been discussed already!!?
Besides this is a Titor thread. If you connects what's in that link to what Titor has said, I'll be more than happy to discuss.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
If we started today to really reseach time travel technology, it's going to take decades before it's close to being usable. That's just reality. The technology just isn't here yet. But if you add a civil war, nuclear war, natural disasters ect. Global devestation. Billions dead and/or dying. It's going to take well over 100 years before that technology becomes available.

How do you know this time-scale to be a reality ? Do you know anyone working on such a project ?
You sound like the German's back in 1940's, shrugging off the atomic bomb, they failed to realize how fast it could be built.

There was Global devastation during WW2, look what came out of that. Nuclear fusion became reality in a short amount of time. The German's where thinking like you, and lost the WAR lol...........

I'm sure somewhere in this world, there is a secret research facility studying time travel, waiting for that break through. It may take WAR to speed up the process. If someone is not doing the research on time travel-n-technology, then they are missing out on the greatest weapon of them all.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
1. Why would they be worried about time travel when there are much more pressing needs. Such as a) surviving and b) taking back your country
2. I'm basing my view of the "rebels" on what Titor said. If you can show me otherwise, I'd like to see it.

1. A much more pressing need during WAR, is to build super weapons, such as time travel. You use what ever means you can get. Everybody worries about survival during war, it's not like running around as targets, looking for food all the time lol... though it does happen.

2. You need to be more specific on your view ? Titor is stationed at a ARMY BASE. Titor's gov/military and regular people are the ones who finish building it. They are not just regular people.

Titor
05 November 2000 03:29 (about the future) 4
Pamela: 1. what are some of your memories of 2036?
Timetravel_0: I remember 2036 very clearly. It is difficult to describe 2036 in detail without
spending a great deal of time explaining why things are so different. In 2036, I live in
central Florida with my family and I'm currently stationed at an Army base in Tampa .

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Also, all three of you didn't answer my question.
Is it a military project or rebel project?

Again your not specific.

Yes I have already answered your question above. Are you sure you read the story lol.
"Thinking it would be just regular people is a little far fetched."

Titor is your "Rebel" who so happens to be military as well.

Titor
By the way, #2 is the correct answer and the basics for time travel start at CERN in about a
year and end in 2034 with the first "time machine" built by GE. Too bad we can't post
pictures or I'de show it to you.

What do you consider CERN as gov/military or civilian project lol ?

Titor
I am aware that research is being
done on faster units with more accurate clocks. I imagine that they will be able to go back
farther with a higher degree of divergence confidence.

In the future it is a "Rebel" project.

Did anyone listen to Coast To Coast last night (Monday February 20th, 2006) ? They rebroadcast the interview with Larry Haber, then Oliver Williams was on to respond in the first hour. This was a great show with Oliver.

I did hear a interesting slip up from Oliver Williams last night lol. I wonder if it was a clever move $$$ or actually a slip up. He referred to John as Oliver lol.... I'm sure it was a slip lol. Here is the mp3 www.upload2.com...

I think ThatsJustWeird called in last night lol.... here is the mp3 www.upload2.com...

or was that syrinx high priest

I would only call to ask him how the american civil war of 2004 is going, and if he can show me any examples of a waco event.....but we already know the answers !




I just listened to the audio, I just wish the caller has asked him how the case could deal with problems like this;

both of those puppies would have had to have been radiating energy at about 3 x 10e29 Watts (the equivalent of over a thousand suns), at a temperature of 1.2 x 10e21 Kelvin (twelve orders of magnitude more than the core of a supernova). And their lifetime would have been just eight trillionths of a second.

I really should have been on the call. I would have asked him if, as a lawyer, and rep for the family, if he is willing to contact the ISP and website that JT used for his posts, and get their permission to publish his IP address, and the info used to create the account(s). If you have nothing to hide, that should be OK. If it is a money making hoax, you won't do it.

man, I'm not gonna miss the next call

Did anyone else notice the thread on ATS about the polar ice caps melting ??? I'll give a WATS award for the first person to post why that is relevant to titor.....

[edit on 21-2-2006 by syrinx high priest]

[edit on 21-2-2006 by syrinx high priest]

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
lol
If you can show me where Titor said all that, then by all means show me.
Also...they have time machines for crying out loud!!!! You're telling me they can build time machines but don't know how a car works!?!?!?

08 November 2000 22:27 (about time travel) 61
(2.Why it(time travel) is used and how often to your knowledge it is used.?)
Right now, its used to get information or "items" that would be helpful in getting a post WWIII world back to a normal condition. There are 7 other time travelers in my unit.

08 November 2000 22:27 (about time travel) 62
(3.Are there specific time periods time .travelers go to most?)
Right now, most of our practical missions are from 1960 to 1980. There is a great deal of research into later and future periods but the farther you go, the lower the divergence confidence of the world line.


25 November 2000 14:03 (about the future) 101
Technologies themselves are not lost but some of the older tools and techniques have been lost. I think there is more detailed information about the war posted earlier.

For the car thing, it was a bad example you're right but don't say that YOU know how to build EVERYTHING around you without the help of a book or someone specialised in that kind of thing.

I'm talking about the hundreds of scientists and researchers that would go out every day while a civil war or nuclear war is being waged that will wipe out half the earth's population all for what?
"Oh hey honey. Instead of getting you and the rest of my family to saftey and worrying about your survivial, I'm going to the base to try and work on a project that will not end the wars and will not bring food and clean water to the table. Have a nice day sweety."

As some people said earlier, in time of war, the thing the most important is to get the biggest weapon. Some people get the food and some people are looking for new weapons. That's it.

They destroyed cities and military bases true. But certainly a great proportions of them, understood that the government were bastards. After all, they are scientists, they're not that dumb... So they left the towns and military complex before the nuclear raindrop began. And all of these resistants were surely living somewhere... And those resistants's cities were not destroyed for sure by the nuclear fire. And Russia surely knows that some cities must be saved because of their technological importance for the post-war for the resistance. So about 2-3 cities were not wiped out because they were surely taken-able by the resistance army. So they could have technologies avaiable.
Vit = Titor?
How do you know all this?

It is based on what an wise men who knows that at least their is allies in the US and that their will be survivor and that it could be better for them to let them some technologies available after the war.
He even said it why the russian detonated the nukes only close to the ground to not destroy the weapons and electronic of the resistance with the EMP.

02/10/01 09:49 (about the future) 358
Yes, EMP took out a great number of electronic devices. That's one of the reasons why we don't have reliable technology laying around. However, in the opening hours of N Day, the Russians did not launch any high altitude detonations. They knew we would most likely clean up after them so they wanted everyone outside the cities to be able to communicate. Most of the warheads that hit the cities came in threes and exploded close to the ground. The heavy EMP damage was isolated to those areas.

If you can't read my link, say it, i'll post the most importants things here.
I read the link. It's more baseless speculation that's already been addressed in this thread. What in that link is new?

Also this is a Titor thread. Show how that thread relates to Titor.

06 December 2000 21:36 (predictions for the future) 119
(Does the events happening in the Middle east concerning the Arabs and Jews have anything to do with the coming war? )
Yes.

So the future Iran war and the support from the US to those bastard(Israël government and those who support it) of Israël isn't bringing peace in the middle-east... So the link I provided is related to Titor.

Originally posted by XPhiles
How do you know this time-scale to be a reality ? Do you know anyone working on such a project ?
You sound like the German's back in 1940's, shrugging off the atomic bomb, they failed to realize how fast it could be built.

There was Global devastation during WW2, look what came out of that. Nuclear fusion became reality in a short amount of time. The German's where thinking like you, and lost the WAR lol...........

Half the world's population wasn't wiped out and all the major countries weren't nuked as in the case of Titor's war.

I'm sure somewhere in this world, there is a secret research facility studying time travel, waiting for that break through. It may take WAR to speed up the process. If someone is not doing the research on time travel-n-technology, then they are missing out on the greatest weapon of them all.

Titor never once mentioned time travel being used as a weapon.
He stated several times that time travel cannot be used to change the past.

1. A much more pressing need during WAR, is to build super weapons, such as time travel. You use what ever means you can get. Everybody worries about survival during war, it's not like running around as targets, looking for food all the time lol... though it does happen.

It takes time, money, and energy (both human energy and physical energy) to time travel. All of which they would have none if there was a nuclear war going on.
No one's answered my question about the materials either. Did everything that's needed to research, test, then put into production just pop out of no where? They can't even find clean water, yet there's readily available materials to create time machines.

2. You need to be more specific on your view ? Titor is stationed at a ARMY BASE. Titor's gov/military and regular people are the ones who finish building it. They are not just regular people.

Who started it? That's what I'm asking. In the begining there were two sides. The current gov/military and the rebels.
In 2036 it's all one. But we're not talking about 2036. We're talking about when the wars were going on.
If it was the bad gov/military that started the projects (the gov/military before Titor's side won. The current gov/military), you're telling me they just left all that material and research lying around? Especially if it was supposed to be used as a weapon as you suggested.

Again your not specific.

Yes I have already answered your question above. Are you sure you read the story lol.
"Thinking it would be just regular people is a little far fetched."

Titor is your "Rebel" who so happens to be military as well.

Explained above.
Titor is in the army NOW (now = 2036), but he wasn't when the wars were going on.

Oh and tell Titor that's a little far fetched, not me.

What do you consider CERN as gov/military or civilian project lol ?

Who brought CERN's technology here?
The gov/military or the rebels?

In the future it is a "Rebel" project.

Irrelevant. I'm asking who took the time out of their busy schedule of mass killing and trying to survive to R & D time travel.


And I wouldn't waste my time calling in/or listening to that Coast to Coast mess....
There's enough "peope" (if you can call them that), who believe all that stuff they discuss, on here to keep me busy

(and I would have asked a much better question)
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You bring up a great Titor quote Vit

Yes, EMP took out a great number of electronic devices. That's one of the reasons why we don't have reliable technology laying around.

Yet they're able to test and build TIME MACHINES!!


Also, that whole part of the Titor story is way off. I don't care who you are, I don't care how bad our government is. There's NO WAY IN THE WORLD any real American would allow a foriegn country to ruin and destroy this country. There's no way. There's no circumstances at all that I can imagine where that would be ok with anyone.
"umm hey Russia. Yeah uh, we don't like our government any more. Can you nuke us please?"

Unthinkable and BS. If that was the case (and Titor makes it clear that was) then it's Titor's side that's the bad guys. Their actions led to the deaths of half the world's population. Billions of innocents dead.
How is this justified?

So the future Iran war and the support from the US to those bastard(Israël government and those who support it) of Israël isn't bringing peace in the middle-east... So the link I provided is related to Titor.

Why are the Isrealis and those who support them bastards?
And don't you think that any major war in the middle east would be important? Why didn't Titor mention our war with Iran?
(Also Titor says our support with Isreal goes down. You're saying the opposite. Why should I believe you over Titor?)


Back to the reasons for time travel.
If you have technology to time travel. If you have the technology to build time machines. What could you possibly need from this primitive time now??


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When you're under a dictatorship, you would like anything other than be persectuted everyday by those bastards. So it's possible.

So if you say it's impossible to a real citizen to ask another country to defeat their government by any means? So by you're point of view, USA raped Iraq?

Originally posted by Vitchilo
When you're under a dictatorship, you would like anything other than be persectuted everyday by those bastards. So it's possible.

So if you say it's impossible to a real citizen to ask another country to defeat their government by any means? So by you're point of view, USA raped Iraq?

What are you talking about?
There's a civil war for 10 years before Russia's asked to nuke us.
Not once did Titor ever say they were losing or about to lose.

Even if they were, you ask for help! Not the murder of millions of innocents (eventually billions) and the loss of physical use of your countries resources with all the contamination and radiation.

I can guarentee you not one real citizen in Iraq asked for us to nuke them to kingdom come.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Half the world's population wasn't wiped out and all the major countries weren't nuked as in the case of Titor's war.

That is not the point, we are talking about the time-scale for building new technology.

You are wrong to say half the world population was wiped out in Titor's 2015.

WW2 engulfed much of the globe and is accepted as the largest and deadliest war in human history. New technology and changes to the world's geopolitical, cultural and economic arrangement, were unprecedented in human history during WW2.

This proves technology increases in war.

In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States

There is about 30 to 40 "major cities" in the United States, so that kills about 40 to 100 million people. That would leave about 200 million people left ?
According to Titor, China and Europe is destroyed, so that would be about 1 to 2 billion people killed right ? Throw in Russia and the other countries, that adds up to about 3 billion right ?

Titor said, three billion people killed in 2015. That will not be half the population by 2015, the human population may be around 8 billion or more by 2015. In 2010 is predicted to be 7 billion or more.

Titor did mention something about population increase.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Titor never once mentioned time travel being used as a weapon.
He stated several times that time travel cannot be used to change the past.

That is right, I'm saying time travel can be used as a weapon, I never said Titor used time travel as a weapon lol.

Now it may be possible that Titor used time travel as his weapon in our worldline, without you knowing it.

To gain possession of time-travel will be much better than any weapon ever built. That is what I believe........

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
It takes time, money, and energy (both human energy and physical energy) to time travel. All of which they would have none if there was a nuclear war going on.
No one's answered my question about the materials either. Did everything that's needed to research, test, then put into production just pop out of no where? They can't even find clean water, yet there's readily available materials to create time machines.

That is just not true again lol....
1.At this moment now, there may be people spending their time and energy on time travel for future processing.
2.Technology was unprecedented in human history during WW2 and probably will be the case in the next major event, nuclear war will not last that long in the future presumably. Materials and production plants will still be around after nuclear war, and so will humans lol.
3.Did you not read the part where Titor can fish.

Titor
7.Are you able to fish or are the waters polluted from fallout from the war?
Yes, we can fish. There are some areas that are still too dangerous to spend a lot of time in
so we can't fish in those areas.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Who started it? That's what I'm asking. In the begining there were two sides. The current gov/military and the rebels.
In 2036 it's all one. But we're not talking about 2036. We're talking about when the wars were going on.
If it was the bad gov/military that started the projects (the gov/military before Titor's side won. The current gov/military), you're telling me they just left all that material and research lying around? Especially if it was supposed to be used as a weapon as you suggested.

In the beginning all sides would be working on it, time travel theory would be in it's early stages during the civil war. The gov/military wouldn't care to much about it unless it is built. Much like the German blooper in WW2, they will (gov/military) underestimate it's importance, even though they help fund the program, they will never see it's fruitage. Had the gov/military really cared about it, they wouldn't be nuked to death. //// or would they even stop it, if they know.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Explained above.
Titor is in the army NOW (now = 2036), but he wasn't when the wars were going on.

Oh and tell Titor that's a little far fetched, not me.

As the civil war escalates there will be military people mixed in with the "Rebels." that just makes common sense lol. "Thinking it would be just regular people is a little far fetched." I'm saying that to you.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Who brought CERN's technology here?
The gov/military or the rebels?

CERN's technology is open to most scientist from gov and civilians.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
There's NO WAY IN THE WORLD any real American would allow a foriegn country to ruin and destroy this country. There's no way. There's no circumstances at all that I can imagine where that would be ok with anyone.

Did you not read this thread lol... www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 22-2-2006 by XPhiles]

Originally posted by XPhiles
That is not the point, we are talking about the time-scale for building new technology.

You are wrong to say half the world population was wiped out in Titor's 2015.

WW2 engulfed much of the globe and is accepted as the largest and deadliest war in human history. New technology and changes to the world's geopolitical, cultural and economic arrangement, were unprecedented in human history during WW2.

This proves technology increases in war.

That doesn't prove anything. That proves technology increased after WW2. WW2 put in place and established things that allowed technology to increase.
And again, you had nowhere near the destruction and population loss Titor is predicting after WW2.

In 2015, Russia launches a nuclear strike against the major cities in the United States

There is about 30 to 40 "major cities" in the United States, so that kills about 40 to 100 million people. That would leave about 200 million people left ?

Titor is asked what the racial makeup of the US in 2036 is...
His response, it was the same minus 130 million people. In 2036. 20 years after the wars. Meaning any baby boomers would be having babies now. Yet the population is still minus 130 million people.

According to Titor, China and Europe is destroyed, so that would be about 1 to 2 billion people killed right ? Throw in Russia and the other countries, that adds up to about 3 billion right ?

Titor said, three billion people killed in 2015. That will not be half the population by 2015, the human population may be around 8 billion or more by 2015. In 2010 is predicted to be 7 billion or more.

Those predictions are for right now in this world! (Those aren't even the projections. The current projections are for just over 7 billion by 2015, still below 7 billion in 2010). In Titor's world, it's a mess. The west has collapsed, constant wars on every continent, etc. There's no way the population sustains it current growth rate (which is shrinking as it is).
Also, 3 billion people is still 3 billion people! 3 billion people taken out of the countries that basically run the world.

Titor did mention something about population increase.

That's what populations tend to do after wars.
You're not going to make up 3 billion people in 20 years though, especially not in Titor's world where getting clean water is hard to find.

That is right, I'm saying time travel can be used as a weapon, I never said Titor used time travel as a weapon lol.

Now it may be possible that Titor used time travel as his weapon in our worldline, without you knowing it.

To gain possession of time-travel will be much better than any weapon ever built. That is what I believe........

Explain. How can it be used as a weapon?

That is just not true again lol....
1.At this moment now, there may be people spending their time and energy on time travel for future processing.

?
Didn't say there weren't...

2.Technology was unprecedented in human history during WW2 and probably will be the case in the next major event, nuclear war will not last that long in the future presumably. Materials and production plants will still be around after nuclear war, and so will humans lol.

Look at our service sector.
Doctors, teachers, firemen, policemen, trashmen, etc.
Now kill off half of them.
Do you think that simple services will be the same? No! Now do that for every sector and every phase of our society.
Our economy would be gone. Where does the majority of our money come from? The major cities. The cities are gone.
You're saying that after 10 years!!! of CIVIL WAR then a NUCLEAR WAR and WW3 on top of that, everything will be the same!?

Yeah some technology will increase. They'll go from riding bikes to finally being able to ride cars again. But time travel? lmao!

3.Did you not read the part where Titor can fish.

Titor
7.Are you able to fish or are the waters polluted from fallout from the war?
Yes, we can fish. There are some areas that are still too dangerous to spend a lot of time in
so we can't fish in those areas.

Oh wow they can fish is some areas. Congrats for them! Technology must really be increasing now!
What's your point?

JT: "One of the biggest reasons why food production is localized is because the environment is affected with disease and radiation."

Still. 20 years after the nuclear war.

In the beginning all sides would be working on it, time travel theory would be in it's early stages during the civil war. The gov/military wouldn't care to much about it unless it is built. Much like the German blooper in WW2, they will (gov/military) underestimate it's importance, even though they help fund the program, they will never see it's fruitage. Had the gov/military really cared about it, they wouldn't be nuked to death. //// or would they even stop it, if they know.

Did you not read this thread lol... www.abovetopsecret.com...

What about it?

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird

Originally posted by UnExpecte
Ofcourse they wouldn't do that. That's why they needed to be killed.

Apparently you haven't read that Titor made it clear that even after 2015 there was a long lasting 'resistance' until 2020 when most of them were killed.

Apparently the Government and Military got divided and as we know, some ideologies don't mix..

So I take it that the 'resistance' was the remaining part of the 'NWO' worms that needed to be dealt with after 2015.

UnExpecte

What are you talking about? I have read Titor and that's why I'm asking the question. Who's doing the project? The military/government? Or the rebels?
Since the fighting really doesn't end until 2020, that means that the greatest discovery in human kind that will change the face of the world forever with technology that's 100+ years ahead of it's time, will be discovered in less than 15 years after global devestation and the worldwide decimation of the human race making Titor's story even less believable.

As already pointed out by XPhiles were not talking about 100+ years ahead of it's time technology. It's about time you get out of your cave and start walking straight thatsjustweird. The theory exists since the seventies. I am sure it will not take 15 years to move from theory to reality once the discovery of rotating singularities has been confirmed!.. something to think about.. and war will indeed only speed things up dramatically! So what are you talking about?

And yes, as pointed out by XPhiles as well, your "rebels" are the broken branches of the divided Government and Military not wanting to proceed with the degrading and inhumane ideology of the "NWO." No wonder when they realize the mess this ideology has brought to them and their country! So if your country has become a mess and everyone realizes the world they thought they were living in is OVER.. it really doesn’t matter what happens after that. It’s very possible that Russia had no other choice then to ‘nuke’ certain facilities at the cost of innocent human lives but making an end to the misery the “NWO” brought to every innocent man, woman and child in the first place! Luckily most of them "NWO worms" were killed around 2020..

I am sure that this "time travel project" that already has been started will NEVER come to an end, no matter what happens. So in that respect you are right thatsjustweird! This project will be protected above anything, at cost of everything, whether or not human lives should be sacrificed for that. We are talking about "The Holy Grail" here.. something really worth to fight for until death.. something to think about as well..

UnExpecte

[edit on 22-2-2006 by UnExpecte]

Originally posted by UnExpecte

As already pointed out by XPhiles were not talking about 100+ years ahead of it's time technology. It's about time you get out of your cave and start walking straight thatsjustweird. The theory exists since the seventies. I am sure it will not take 15 years to move from theory to reality once the discovery of rotating singularities has been confirmed!..

We discover rotating singularties....so what! That by no means confirms time travel and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean you can send a complex human being through time
You said theory has been around since the 70s. Well then what's taking so long if it's as simple as you're suggesting?

something to think about.. and war will indeed only speed things up dramatically! So what are you talking about?

Do you know what kind of technology war speeds up?
Medical and weapon.
In the kind and scale of war Titor is talking about, it would not be conducive for the speeding up of time travel technology.

So if your country has become a mess and everyone realizes the world they thought they were living in is OVER.. it really doesn’t matter what happens after that.

Yes it does! What in the world are you talking about. They still have to live there. That's why they're fighting to get their country back, because it does matter what happens to them and their country.

It’s very possible that Russia had no other choice then to ‘nuke’ certain facilities at the cost of innocent human lives but making an end to the misery the “NWO” brought to every innocent man, woman and child in the first place!

BS!
There's always a better way.
Again, Titor never said that their side was losing. He also stated that the NWO DIDN'T establish itself.
Those "certain facilities" were the major cities of the U.S. People live in the cities yes, but most people just work in the cities. So you're not just killing millions of people, you're destroying the way of life for millions upon millions more people.

Most people agree the situation with us in Iraq now isn't exactly the best. If what you and Titor are advocating happened, people would be praying that we'd be where Iraq is now.

I am sure that this "time travel project" that already has been started will NEVER come to an end, no matter what happens. So in that respect you are right thatsjustweird! This project will be protected above anything, at cost of everything, whether or not human lives should be sacrificed for that. We are talking about "The Holy Grail" here.. something really worth to fight for until death.. something to think about as well..

You're talking in the current situation. Priorities change when billions are dying all around you.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
That doesn't prove anything. That proves technology increased after WW2. WW2 put in place and established things that allowed technology to increase.
And again, you had nowhere near the destruction and population loss Titor is predicting after WW2.

What ? Are you joking lol.
I'm wasting my time on this, stubbornly unyielding you are, fess up, and study your history more.

Obviously, General Electric is still around after the Russian attack.

Accepting time travel device plans here www.ge.com...
I have already sent mine in

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Titor is asked what the racial makeup of the US in 2036 is...
His response, it was the same minus 130 million people. In 2036. 20 years after the wars. Meaning any baby boomers would be having babies now. Yet the population is still minus 130 million people.

Irrelevant. Titor was just guessing.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Those predictions are for right now in this world! (Those aren't even the projections. The current projections are for just over 7 billion by 2015, still below 7 billion in 2010). In Titor's world, it's a mess. The west has collapsed, constant wars on every continent, etc. There's no way the population sustains it current growth rate (which is shrinking as it is).
Also, 3 billion people is still 3 billion people! 3 billion people taken out of the countries that basically run the world.

There has been constant wars in the past and the population is still climbing, you can not deny that. We are still in the stone age of technology. As communication and technology increase so will the population. (I'm sure you would refuse to understand for an argument.)

..... 3 billion people killed is not half the human population of 2015, not even half the American population is wiped out.

Here is some facts and projections. No matter what projection study you read it will be wrong, due to unknown future technology.

* 1 billion in 1804
* 2 billion in 1927 (123 years later)
* 3 billion in 1960 (33 years later)
* 4 billion in 1974 (14 years later)
* 5 billion in 1987 (13 years later)
* 6 billion in 1999 (12 years later)
* 7 billion in 2010 (11 years later)
* 8 billion in 2020 (10 years later)
* 9 billion in 2030 (9 years later)


If there is a leap in technology in 2010, you maybe looking at 8 billion by 2015. The maximum human population on earth can be around 11 billion. That could happen around 2040 or 2050.

A world war in 2015 may be a good thing. There will be a need for population control in the future. But I would not advocate war for this control.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Explain. How can it be used as a weapon?

As UnExpecte said, "The Holy Grail" Having no boundaries or limits for its use.

Go buy a sci-fi book and imagine for yourself. Do you get out at all ?
Did you not see the Terminator lol. That should give you a general ideal.

Who really shot John Kennedy from the grassy knoll , maybe Kennedy himself....

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Look at our service sector.
Doctors, teachers, firemen, policemen, trashmen, etc.
Now kill off half of them.
Do you think that simple services will be the same? No! Now do that for every sector and every phase of our society.
Our economy would be gone. Where does the majority of our money come from? The major cities. The cities are gone.
You're saying that after 10 years!!! of CIVIL WAR then a NUCLEAR WAR and WW3 on top of that, everything will be the same!?

Yeah some technology will increase. They'll go from riding bikes to finally being able to ride cars again. But time travel? lmao!

I never said everything will be the same, get a clue lol.

So you are saying people from the future, devastated by war will be dumb ? lmao!
You really think people are going back to the stone age after nuclear war.........

Modern Japan is the most techno-advanced country in the world, they also have a devastated past.



[edit on 23-2-2006 by XPhiles]

I can see why I get ignored, but why is the science ignored ? I've seen dozens of posts in this thread arguing theoretical economics, and they guy supposedly had 2 mini black holes in a tuba case.

How can anyone really accept this ? because he guessed right about cern making an announcement (when the idea was on the net for over a year prior to titors amazing prediction )

I agree we can't say 100% for sure what will happen in 30 years. Heck, area 51 might have anti-gravity fighter jets as we type.

Its a matter of scale and probability.

scenario a )

2 black holes weighing a billion metric tons EACH
each black hole may give off radiation in tha magnitude of twelve orders that of the core of a super nova.

let that sink in for a minute.


titors claim;

2 black holes weigh 500 lbs, and apparently don't melt him or the delorean.


its just too much of a leap in scale and probability to say in 30 years, GE will be able to accomplish this according to JT's descriptions.





[edit on 23-2-2006 by syrinx high priest]

Originally posted by XPhiles
What ? Are you joking lol.
I'm wasting my time on this, stubbornly unyielding you are, fess up, and study your history more.

Look what happened after WW2. You had the UN put in place to prevent that sort of thing from happening again and to unify the world more. You had billions of dollars pouring in around the world to help rebuild the devestated countries. And you most importantly you had the Cold War. Competition is a wonderful thing.
After Titor's war, every continent is affected. All the major superpowers have basically been destroyed. Who's going to pour billions of dollars into their economies to help rebuild? How long do you think that rebuilding process is going to last with half as many people working to rebuild? Titor mentions no cold war so who are we competing against that we waste billions of dollars that could be used for rebuilding or feeding the people on (until proven otherwise) pointless projects such as time travel? Would you approve of such a project? You have a dirty (radiation) disease filled nation. Your cities have been destroyed. With the cities gone that means most people's jobs are also gone. You have two choices, either help clean up and rebuild or build time machines that 1) really don't serve a purpose in helping to rebuild and restore order (as Titor stated many times - if you go back and try to change something, you're just changing something on a different timeline, not yours) and 2) even if time travel was discovered tomorrow, there's NO WAY it can be perfected in just 30 years! Let alone two as Titor suggested.
According to Titor in just two years after time travel was discovered they are able to build time machines that can send complex human beings through time with perfection.

Obviously, General Electric is still around after the Russian attack.

Yeah how about that. Their employees for 15 years somehow missed the civil and nuclear wars. Despite war and death going on all around in which everyone was affected people still bought GE products and the company was able to stay in business. Not only were they able to stay in business with phantom people buying their products they were able to make HUGE profits. How else do they still have enough money to build time machines?

Irrelevant. Titor was just guessing.

What are you doing?
How would your guess be better than his?

There has been constant wars in the past and the population is still climbing, you can not deny that.

There has been NO wars on the scale that Titor is talking about.
Your guess that technology will suddenly sonic boom way past current levels in just 30 years is based on your own speculation, not on anything that's occured in the past.

We are still in the stone age of technology.

Yeah, so how did we go from being in the stone age to time travel in just 30 years? Especially when those 30 years are the worst 30 years in human history?

As communication and technology increase so will the population. (I'm sure you would refuse to understand for an argument.)

The population will increase regardless. Not sure what you're arguing here? I never said it wouldn't.

..... 3 billion people killed is not half the human population of 2015, not even half the American population is wiped out.

Remember when I said something to the effect of "Who cares!? 3 billion is still 3 billion!!"
You don't lose that many people and sustain any resembelance of normal. At the current growth rate that's still over 40% of the world's population. Think Black Death, except worse.

All current population projects can be thrown out the window if a war occurs on the scale Titor is talking about
(note: Titor also stated their current life expectancy is in the 50s or 50 and [going to have to look this up] infant mortality is pretty high)

As UnExpecte said, "The Holy Grail" Having no boundaries or limits for its use.

This is time travel we're talking here. There would be boundaries and limits.

Go buy a sci-fi book and imagine for yourself. Do you get out at all ?
Did you not see the Terminator lol. That should give you a general ideal.

All movies and books I have seen contain paradoxes (a realistic outcome to time travel). Titor's story does not. Explain why.

Who really shot John Kennedy from the grassy knoll , maybe Kennedy himself....

How is knowing this going to feed someone?
How is knowing that going to rebuild a school or place of employment?

So you are saying people from the future, devastated by war will be dumb ? lmao!

Actually now that you mentioned it...it's quite possible. With all the radiation, little clean water and food, medical attention scarce, and after years of war and death I'm positive there would be an increase in mental retardation. How much of the population would be affected? Who knows.

You really think people are going back to the stone age after nuclear war.........

I didn't say that.
(Einstein did however: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.")

I'm going by what Titor said. He stated there was: Global devestation. Global decimation of the human race. No reliable technology around. No mass production plants. No cities (which means there No economy).
I have yet to hear a good reason why they would waste time and money on time travel instead of rebuilding.
(or let's say there is a huge leap in technology so that they are able to time travel. If they have the technology to time travel then that means the technology is there to say...teraform mars or the moon. That would be more useful to a devestated earth than time travel)

Modern Japan is the most techno-advanced country in the world, they also have a devastated past.

We poured billions into rebuilding Japan. Again, who's going to pour billions into our economy?

Stop with the economy thing. It's irrelevant. The money don't come in play.

If you don't believe this, just consider it out of the question, because here, you're the only one who believe that money is a problem.